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[–]Locke 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

It's because there's actually evidence to support that the TSA is mostly security theater.

[–]zyxzevn 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Both measures pretend to help, but in reality only do a small fraction of what they promise.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Help me understand, because I don't get this.

Even if I assume you are correct and the masks only help "a small fraction", is it really that hard of a fucking sacrifice to wear? Does it really ruin your fucking day to put a bandanna over your fucking face? Is your life really fucked up by this?

I would do it if it stopped 1% of the COVID pathogens from leaving my mouth because, frankly IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. You're not getting forced into the trenches of the Somme, your slightly changing your fashion.

[–]wuzizname 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

What if you were told you had to put three red dots on your cheek everyday to get served in stores even though you absolutely know the three red dots don’t protect you from shit?

A lot of people reject masks because they were flat out told by Fauci himself not so long ago that cloth masks don’t do shit because they don’t do shit. Viruses exist at the nano level, billionths of level, your cloth mask your niece sewed for you using old tee shirts wouldn’t filter out flour or wood dust let alone viruses.

So it’s really a lesson in the absurd - will people follow government advice and rules despite having access to evidence to the contrary? Can the government punish people for not complying even though it can be proven that these masks are not effectual barriers against covid? And the answer seems to be.... yes.

I’m not an anti masker. I wear a mask but I can understand the argument. I’m pretty convinced at this point in time, after spending a lot of time looking at the data myself and following it very closely, that Covid is not nearly as deadly as we and our leaders were lead to believe. The numbers are there, and Covid is tracking to be nowhere near the 9-10% mortality we were initially told, it’s looking to settle somewhere between 1-3% which puts it on par with SARS. I don’t blame our leaders for their initial reaction because if covid had ended up being more like it’s bad brother MERS which has a mortality rate of like 30-35% then we would’ve really been in the shit. But now that the evidence exists, compiled by countries that are not China who obviously used the virus to terrify the world into distraction while they used the distraction to occupy Hong Kong and buy up global assets on the cheap... now that the evidence exists our leaders should be working more and getting people back to living normal lives.

My 2 cents.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Masks were never designed to stop the viral particles, they are there to block a percentage of droplets that leave your mouth/nose which carry the viruses. Since COVID19 severity is heavily influenced by how much viral load you take in, this can mean life or death. So I don't think this-

What if you were told you had to put three red dots on your cheek everyday to get served in stores even though you absolutely know the three red dots don’t protect you from shit?

-is a reasonable analogy because I think there is some good evidence that masks offer some degree of protection even if it isn't anywhere close to absolute. Remember, people have been wearing masks in public in countries like India and China for decades now because of low air quality and population density- this isn't a new trend that cropped up overnight.

You're post is certainly reasonable though. And it's 100% clear that China took advantage of this whole situation nefariously and I would go even further and suggest that they are subversively scare mongering more (via social media propaganda, bots, business deals, etc) to get their economy ahead further. But I also think the data clearly shows that this virus hates old people and fat fucks and while China might not give a flying fuck about their vulnerable, we in the Western world do and have to make sacrifices for our elders.

[–]ChingChongdingdong 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you think masks help go shot yourself

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree with everything you say, but the mortality rate is likely below one percent...

[–]wuzizname 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Probably when all is said and done. There was a spate of bad flu cases in January. Half the people I work with took time off because of catching some “weird bug” that was going around after Christmas. And unless or until we test people for antibodies that never experienced any bad symptoms we won’t know for sure. Politicians keep talking about life not going back to normal until there’s a viable vaccine and that kind of talk drives me nuts because I’m sure that there are a lot of people that are already immune and viable vaccines won’t be readily available for years, possibly never as there is no vaccine for SARS or MERS.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Talks about mortality are all a little misleading tbh.

COVID19 appears to be much less harmful than influenza among healthy youth. What ends up happening is that media propagate freak outlier stories about a 18yo dying from COVID as if it is normal when the reality is that- 1) The victim was morbidly obese or 2) Freak complications arose which happens with every disease including influenza.

COVID has skewed mortality. It badly fucks up the elderly and the very fat which is unfortunately a large part of the States.

[–]wuzizname 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. If you read deep enough into the story you often find that the younger victims, and even a lot of the more elderly, had diabetes or cancer or other serious issues already.

[–]zyxzevn 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Depending on what you do, and what masks you wear, you have certain negative health effects. You probably only have seen one side of the news. So there is a negative effect. In fairly common conditions it can also increase the infections, so the health effect can be negative.

Here is a long list of peer-reviewed research:

And this needs to balance with the risk that is there. So if you are doing open heart surgery, or walking in a park, there is a huge difference.

South-Korea did the most extreme testing and measures, but that only works in the beginning. But at this stage, it is like wearing a condom at a baby shower. If people wanted me to wear masks in March, it would make sense.

Based on random testing, about 50% of people have had it. So we are already reaching herd-immunity. And with HCQ you can easily defeat it. Link: HCQ - One chart you need to see Also the change to oxygen instead of ventilators is saving people's lives.

But the medicine industry wants to cash in on it, with an experimental vaccine, to get their billions. And the corporations want to monopolize everything. And the complete censorship of the media& science. Both republicans and democrats are into it. So we have to wait a bit more, until no company is left and we can have our vaccine that does nothing (hopefully). The masks are there to make us wait more, and be afraid. And it has been made into a fake political issue by the democrats, who allow demonstrations but forbid churches.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anyone getting blood-oxygen issues from surgical masks has underlying issues to look after. I'm sorry, but healthy adults don't have this issue. I'll have to look at the other studies in depth later- Occam's Razor would dictate that masks are not ineffective since they have widespread use in many places and industries but I'll dig more.

But the medicine industry wants to cash in on it, with an experimental vaccine, to get their billions. And the corporations want to monopolize everything.

You might want to research this more. Some medical companies are doing better while many others are failing due to falling numbers of routine surgeries/treatments. I track stock closely and most biomedicals are staying stable. The exception being Moderna, who's vaccine will enter phase 3 soon.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I do think if trump told them to wear a mask they would. But it's coming from liberals. Very divided nation now. I don't think other countries have anti mask people.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's in Australia too. Not sure it's partisan, moreso that the baby boomer generation is a unique brand of stubborn.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

true yeah I think it is similar to wearing seatbelts or not smoking in bars. Those had pushbacks at first too.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you've spent your whole life not changing your life because of something like the flu, then you're not going to be interested in changing your life due to something else that is just as risky.

[–]FreneticFrequencies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it's not difficult. you can abide to wearing the masks and still ridicule it

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That isn't something I would be proud of

[–]BestGirlPieck 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I still wear a mask everywhere I go, but i get the frustration. I work in retail and it is not fun having to wear them for multiple hours everyday

[–]cybitch 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (39 children)

Out of curiosity, how would you feel about doctors also not wearing those pieces of cloth over their faces? Afterall, doctors have rights too! It's a muzzle!

[–]Velocity 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (38 children)

This is an intentionally dishonest and false parallel statement. If someone is concerned about a pathogen, then by all means they can cover their faces. However, to attempt to make others indulge in their same fears is forcing their will on those with differing viewpoints.

[–]cybitch 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Say you are worried about people being armed, so you propose a rule where people need to be patted down before they can get on an airplane. But others then state that while you are free to get patted down, they have the right to refuse. Sure they do, but the issue is even one armed person on an airplane is going to be a problem for everyone. The sort of mask the average civilian has access to (I presume America still has a shortage of N95s) protects others from them, not the other way around - the mask on a surgeon serves to protect the patient from them, not the other way around. So there sort of is no point unless everyone wears them.

[–]Velocity 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

Basic Strawman fallacy, but at least you're trying. People can still fairly easily sneak weapons onto planes, at least according to every TSA security audit. Imagine a significant percentage of these airplane passengers didn't actually care if some passengers were armed? Then imagine another percentage of airline passengers living in quivering terror of even the thought of an armed passenger even though statistically before the Tsa, weapon problems on airplanes were a very rare event. Then these cowering people demanding that those that didn't really care about armed passengers to share in the zealous hysterics of the cowardly.

See.....about as dumb as your Strawman comment.

Also, non n95 masks don't work for "holding in" germs no more than they work for keeping out germs. Are you daft?

[–]cybitch 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Getting infected by a virus is not a rare event though? In fact, it's pretty much guaranteed to happen if you get too close to someone who has it. Do you have a reason to believe someone coughing towards you without a mask would be more likely to not infect you?

So, you'd be okay with your surgeon not wearing a non N95 mask then? Because that's what I would consider daft, but you do you!

[–]Velocity 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

If someone is coughing or sneezing, then they should be at home...correct? Enough of your hyperbole.

Why are you petrified of a cold like virus that is less dangerous than seasonal influenza?

[–]cybitch 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yes they should be at home, but they would also tell you they have the right to go whereever they want just as you have the right not to be muzzled by masks that don't work anyway - I guess surgeons just wear them for fashion purposes?

Why do you presume I'm personally afraid of anything? I'm not even American. I'm from one of those silly countries that are still currently allowed to travel for a summer holiday instead of being quarantined by the whole world. I feel so unfree and muzzled. Still, I don't like it when people with poorer health die from a preventable infection, even if I'm personally not at risk.

[–]Velocity 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

You and I both know that surgeons wear N95 masks and your persistent false parallel doesn't hold water.

Considering Covid is demonstrated to be no more deadly than seasonal influenza, then masking seems to be a massive over reaction. It would follow then that masks and quarantining should happen every normal cold and flu season too...using the mainstream narrative.

The elderly and immuno compromised should wear N95 and quarantine as a prevention. It's not your responsibility to have to change your way of life for what represents a small minority at risk that are outliers.

[–]cybitch 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, surgeons do not wear N95 masks.

It's fine to say only the people at risk should wear those masks but at the end of the day they are going to be interacting with other people. A lot will be living with their families or in facilities with employees constantly coming and going. Not to mention no country seems to even have enough N95s for doctors let alone every old person in the country.

[–]Velocity 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Masks don't work.

AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

curated by Marilyn M. Singleton, M.D., J.D.

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

Note: A COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) particle is 0.125 micrometers (μm); influenza virus size is 0.08 – 0.12 μm; a human hair is about 150 μm.

*1 nm = 0.001 micron; 1000 nm = 1 micron; Micrometer (μm) is the preferred name for micron (an older term)

1 meter is = 1,000,000,000 nm or 1,000,000 microns


Virus is transmitted through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes or talks. Larger respiratory droplets (>5 μm) remain in the air for only a short time and travel only short distances, generally <1 meter. They fall to the ground quickly. This idea guides the CDC’s advice to maintain at least a 6-foot distance. Virus-laden small (<5 μm) aerosolized droplets can remain in the air for at least 3 hours and travel long distances. Air currents

In air conditioned environment these large droplets may travel farther. However, ventilation — even the opening of an entrance door and a small window can dilute the number of small droplets to one half after 30 seconds. (This study looked at droplets from uninfected persons). This is clinically relevant because poorly ventilated and populated spaces, like public transport and nursing homes, have high SARS-CoV-2 disease transmission despite physical distancing. Objects and surfaces

Person to person touching The CDC’s most recent statement regarding contracting COVID-19 from touching surfaces: “Based on data from lab studies on Covid-19 and what we know about similar respiratory diseases, it may be possible that a person can get Covid-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose or possibly their eyes,” the agency wrote. “But this isn’t thought to be the main way the virus spreads. Chinese study with data taken from swabs on surfaces around the hospital The surfaces where tested with the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test, which greatly amplifies the viral genetic material if it is present. That material is detectable when a person is actively infected. This is thought to be the most reliable test. Computer mouse (ICU 6/8, 75%; General ward (GW) 1/5, 20%) Trash cans (ICU 3/5, 60%; GW 0/8) Sickbed handrails (ICU 6/14, 42.9%; GW 0/12) Doorknobs (GW 1/12, 8.3%) 81.3% of the miscellaneous personal items were positive: Exercise equipment Medical equipment (spirometer, pulse oximeter, nasal cannula) PC and iPads Reading glasses Cellular phones (83.3% positive for viral RNA) Remote controls for in-room TVs (64.7% percent positive) Toilets (81.0% positive) Room surfaces (80.4% of all sampled) Bedside tables and bed rails (75.0%) Window ledges (81.8%) Plastic: up to 2-3 days Stainless Steel: up to 2-3 days Cardboard: up to 1 day Copper: up to 4 hours Floor – gravity causes droplets to fall to the floor. Half of ICU workers all had virus on the bottoms of their shoes Filter Efficiency and Fit

*Data from a University of Illinois at Chicago review

HEPA (high efficiency particulate air) filters – 99.97 – 100% efficient. HEPA filters are tested with particles that are 0.125 μm. Masks and respirators work by collecting particles through several physical mechanisms, including diffusion (small particles) and interception and impaction (large particles) N95 filtering facepiece respirators (FFRs) are constructed from electret (a dielectric material that has a quasi-permanent electric charge. An electret generates internal and external electric fields so the filter material has electrostatic attraction for additional collection of all particle sizes. As flow increases, particles will be collected less efficiently. N95 – A properly fitted N95 will block 95% of tiny air particles down to 0.3 μm from reaching the wearer’s face. But even these have problems: many have exhalation valve for easier breathing and less moisture inside the mask. Surgical masks are designed to protect patients from a surgeon’s respiratory droplets, aren’t effective at blocking particles smaller than 100 μm. Filter efficiency was measured across a wide range of small particle sizes (0.02 to 1 µm) at 33 and 99 L/min. N95 respirators had efficiencies greater than 95% (as expected). T-shirts had 10% efficiency, Scarves 10% to 20%, Cloth masks 10% to 30%, Sweatshirts 20% to 40%, and Towels 40%. All of the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lungs. Another study evaluated 44 masks, respirators, and other materials with similar methods and small aerosols (0.08 and 0.22 µm). N95 FFR filter efficiency was greater than 95%. Medical masks – 55% efficiency General masks – 38% and Handkerchiefs – 2% (one layer) to 13% (four layers) efficiency. Conclusion: Wearing masks will not reduce SARS-CoV-2. N95 masks protect health care workers, but are not recommended for source control transmission. Surgical masks are better than cloth but not very efficient at preventing emissions from infected patients. Cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as personal protective equipment (PPE). "Masks may confuse that message and give people a false sense of security. If masks had been the solution in Asia, shouldn’t they have stopped the pandemic before it spread elsewhere?”

[–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Why are you petrified of a cold like virus that is less dangerous than seasonal influenza?

This is demonstrably false. And the rate of spread paired with the death rate is why it's a problem.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

demonstrably false

Because the man on tv reading a script told you so? Do your research, prove your premise, master your mind, own your thoughts and make them yours and yours alone....not someone else's.

Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 influenza-associated deaths from respiratory causes alone.

Covid Mortality Rate (23k / 8.4M = 0.28% CMR to date) and Probability of Dying

As of May 1, 23,430 people are estimated to have died out of a total population of 8,398,748 in New York City. This corresponds to a 0.28% crude mortality rate to date, or 279 deaths per 100,000 population, or 1 death every 358 people. Note that the Crude Mortality Rate will continue to increase as more infections and deaths occur (see notes under the paragraph "Herd Immunity" below for details).

Using patient data from China, public health officials initially estimated that 80% of COVID-19 cases are either asymptomatic or have mild disease.

A group of researchers analyzed data from China and found that the overall mortality rate of COVID-19 was 1.38%. But if they adjusted for cases that likely went unaccounted for due to their mild or asymptomatic nature, the overall mortality rate decreased to around 0.66%, they reported on March 30 in journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases.

Coronavirus death rate may be lower than previously thought

The death rate from COVID-19 is likely around 0.66%, if counting the mild or asymptomatic cases, according to a new study

Nearly All NYC-Area COVID-19 Hospitalizations Had Comorbidities

A new study published April 22 in the Journal of the American Medical Association characterizes the symptoms, comorbidities, and clinical outcomes of 5,700 patients hospitalized because of COVID-19 in the New York area. The authors found that 94 percent of the patients had a chronic health problem, and 88 percent had two or more. The three most prevalent conditions were hypertension (56.6 percent), obesity (41.7 percent), and diabetes (33.8 percent).

Just today, from an ER System senior Exec in Texas: Senior Executive at Texas ER Chain Reveals Real Reason For Spike in Coronavirus Cases Published June 30, 2020 at 12:03pm

JB Neiman, a Managing Partner and General Counsel of a Texas-based company that owns 13 free-standing clinics in the state of Texas said "More testing kits means they are able to test a broader group of patients." "What is driving people to the ER? The executive breaks that down: Roughly half have been told by their employer to get a test — if they have a sneeze or a cough, their employer tells them to go home and get tested. The other half just want to know if they have COVID (some have mild symptoms and some have no symptoms." Discharge planners are being pressured to put COVID as primary diagnosis because it pays significantly better, according to JB Neiman. Neiman concluded:

“What we are seeing at our facilities is more of a positive story…You have more people who are testing positive with minimal symptoms.

This means the fatality rate is significantly less than commonly reported.”

And we can keep going and going on this, why do I have to spoonfeed you?

[–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sigh. For one, why would you compare COVID deaths vs the total new york population instead of COVID deaths vs people INFECTED WITH COVID. That doesn't make sense.

Second, using your own website that you linked me the seasonal flu mortality rate is less than 0.1%, while COVID sits at 2%.

To the article's credit, we can't technically know the fatality rate in the middle of a pandemic, but I think there's good enough information to take reasonable precautions for the sake of safety.

And how does a comorbidity in any way take away the danger of the disease? Underlying health conditions don't suddenly make diseases less dangerous, they just make it more dangerous to people with underlying diseases.

Is it going to kill everyone? No, but the point is A) to not overwhelm hospital systems and B) to protect vulnerable populations which have a particular weakness to any easily spread disease.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

For one, why would you compare COVID deaths vs the total new york population instead of COVID deaths vs people INFECTED WITH COVID

This is common procedure for medical research to calculate 'probability of dying', individuals per 100,000.

seasonal flu mortality rate is less than 0.1%, while COVID sits at 2%.

You missed the point of the links. The 2% figure represents previous deaths for Covid which was older data, before more recent revelations. Where it is now becoming more apparent, that partly because of incompetence and partly because hospitals were provided financial incentive to lie about Covid infections, they then grossly inflated reported infections. False positives, co-morbidity...diagnosing people with seasonal influenza as having covid instead....etc..etc...

And how does a comorbidity in any way take away the danger of the disease? Underlying health conditions don't suddenly make diseases less dangerous, they just make it more dangerous to people with underlying diseases.

Because it's mostly dangerous to people with underlying conditions, elderly, immunocompromised. Not the general reasonably healthy population. Its no more dangerous than the seasonal flu. These amounts of deaths now being reported by over-sensationalized media because of covid, has been happening every year from common influenza your whole life. No one cared, no one notice, nothing reported. But, now...for some's media spotlight.

Is it going to kill everyone? No, but the point is A) to not overwhelm hospital systems and B) to protect vulnerable populations which have a particular weakness to any easily spread disease.

If someone is vulnerable they should stay at home quarantined with a mask on.

I think there's good enough information to take reasonable precautions for the sake of safety.

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

― Samuel Adams

Put your muzzle on slave.

[–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People cough and sneeze at random sometimes due to allergies, dry throat, looking in the sun, whatever. Plenty of people are out there coughing and sadly most of them are not wearing masks which would keep their droplets mostly to themselves. Loud talking also releases more droplets.

[–]Quixoticfutz 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

The masks are there to protect others unless you have an actual medical mask on, you wearing mask won't protect you from johnny over there standing 1ft from you with no mask but protects everyone else from you.

That people complain about mask usage but seem to be fine with businesses demanding pants, shirts and shoes when then it's not even a public safety issue but a moral one is astounding, shows how much people hate personal responsability. All the rights, none of the duties.

[–]Velocity 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Trying to stop a virus with a cloth mask is literally like trying to stop mosquitoes with a chain link fence.

Absolutely no effect whatsoever.

And even beyond people touching their mask, their face, not washing them, leaving them all over their homes, cars and then touching those surfaces.

This is a foolish feel good measure that has zero real world impact.

N95 masks would at least stop the virus, but they would still be susceptible to the wide spread mishandling by the general public.

Unless you have an N95 mask or better, masks are completely and utterly pointless.


[–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

I hate having to bring out the man peeing analogy multiple times, but here it is again - if a man is peeing without underwear and you are standing near him, you will get wet, even if you're wearing pants. If a man is peeing and wearing underpants even if you're standing near him without clothes on, you'll probably be okay. That's what a mask does - protects others. I think it's worth the slight inconvenience in order to protect others from a disease which is more than its mortality rate - it's also the people who are getting permanent lung, brain and organ damage from it or spending weeks and months in the hospital racking up huge medical debt. I'm wearing a mask for you and your family. Please consider doing so for me and mine.

[–]yayblueberries 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The most ridiculous thing about all of this is that all of a sudden you hypocrites all suddenly give a shit about protecting everybody else from an illness you don't even know whether you have, but every fucking cold and flu season I come into contact with numerous assholes who freely cough into open air with people around them and don't wash their hands at all. And I'm not just talking about people who would get fired if they took the day off of work. Every American who suddenly cares so much about masks is a massive hypocrite. You fuckers don't do shit when you have a cold, flu, strep, or gastroenteritis. You don't care about others, you all never actually did, and you still don't. You care about virtue signaling, that's all.

[–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just because we should have cared about something in the past but didn't, doesn't mean we shouldn't start caring now or that our motives aren't positive. People aren't hypocrites when they learn to do better. And I care very much about others. I even care about you, despite the fact that I'm a "fucker who doesn't do shit" in your eyes ;)

[–]Velocity 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Everything you say is just pure opinion. It is about as dangerous as Influenza, and all those times you had a severe cold or flu...You didn't give a damn about wearing a mask or other preventative measures. Pure hive mind virtue signaling on your part because it's socially popular to be a boot licker.

I make it a point to not wear a mask and I stand very close to other people. I hope you get so scared of the boogeyman man virus that you pee yourself.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I hope you get so scared of the boogeyman man virus that you pee yourself.

I laughed. ;]

I wish that sentence and its context could fit on a bumper sticker

[–]Velocity 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, I had a laugh writing it too.

[–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I wear the mask to protect you, not because I'm so scared. I'm a member of reality who sees what other countries are doing to stop the virus and that it has worked. Scientific studies may differ slightly because things are new and just being studied in earnest, but that doesn't mean it's the same as "pure opinion." I didn't wear a mask before for flu or cold, but I may in the future. Asian countries have done it all along, and they often have sensible solutions to problems.

[–]Velocity 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

No, you just can't into your own research, and depend on the establishment to tell you what to do. Asians wearing masks, and still suffering astronomical infections is only evidence to support their lack of effectiveness.

Deny science all you want, but you can't refute it:

[–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I have a lot of friends who live in South Korea and I lived there for a while. Things are basically back to normal, but everyone wears masks. Infection rates are so much lower than the States even though Korea had their first case the same day as ours and it's a much more densely packed country. I don't think it's going to be productive discussing this further with you, but if you want to see success at dealing with Coronavirus, Korea is a great example and we are one of the worst in the world.

[–]Velocity 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

China also widely used masks and had very high infection rates. South Korea's currently low Covid rates are attributed to a number of things, and mask usage is not considered as being one of them.

Other nations with high daily mask usage, also report among the highest rates of Covid.

Your fixation on South Korea is a simple case of confirmation bias. You're seeing what you want to see. It's a like a flu friend, stop wringing your hands in worry over this media hyped hysteria.

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That people complain about mask usage but seem to be fine with businesses demanding pants, shirts and shoes

What's most astounding is how you can come up with such a low Iq Strawman fallacy. Shirts and shoes required are due to societal norms that have been acquired through hundreds of years.

You are being irresponsible by allowing your hard fought civil rights be violated indefinitely because of your cowardice about catching a cold. That's your prescient civil duties, not putting your muzzle on that has no proof of effectiveness.

[–]Tarrock 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Cause Redditors aren't very smart.

[–]charlie6067 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These maskholes infesting the site are recent Redditors who didn't leave years ago when the censorship and banning started. No, they stayed and thought they'd conform, bowed their heads obediently with the idea that they would be left alone if they just followed every new mandate and rule reddit shoved down their throats. Now look what happened to them.

Others left Reddit when it became obvious what the admins were up to. People who have been on this and other platforms for years, not only are generally smarter than the compromising Redditors who stayed as long possible, but have less tolerance for any authoritarianism...that includes mask civil rights violations.

[–]mongre 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Why are democrats pumping fear and losing shit over a made-up terrorism and race war?

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Cloth masks do NOTHING, according to the latest research, and in fact CAUSE health problems, lol.

[–]wuzizname 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Because TSA are authority figures and authority figures are bad. When they see someone without a mask they can be virtuous and try to shame people.

Also because Stephen Colbert told them TSA is bad and masks are good.

[–]suckitreddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A better question: Why the fuck do they encourage people to protest but then get angry when people don't wear masks?

Answer: They're illogical, cherry-picking cunts.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They encourage people they agree with to protest. They'll ban x number of people from congregating, but will turn the other way if it's a protest that helps their agenda. Meanwhile any protests they disagree with gets their full wrath.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you would have to pay a team of sociologists some big bucks to do a study that might, just maybe, get you an accurate answer.

[–]africant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

put your fucking jewish slave muzzle on and sniff those chinese underwear goy