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[–]cisheteroscum 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Should I make a new forum site for debate?

Well, maybe, but

and controversies like s/debatealtright being removed from s/all

Relax. This cropped up randomly, we've been off /all for like four months already

but with the site randomly going down, the head admin nowhere to be found

This is the main problem

I could get it online for $18.28, and just pay $3.11 a month for a very basic server

If it's really that cheap, and I wanted to do it, I would just front it for free. Why worry about revenue? I drop $100 at the bar every weekend

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    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    when they didn't break the rules

    It's never been about that. They are not victims, no matter what one or two say.

    I'm also obsessed with efficiency, which is why I want to find a way to make it self-sufficient. I tend to overthink every little detail, to be honest.

    Here's a challenge for you, should you choose to accept it. One of the fundamental objectives to our /s/Cassy project is to decentralize. This means getting everyone who can to co-host an instance. Whether they have a new strong-server or an old PC that can become a junior-server, whether they have expert skills or no skills, we want as many people decentralizing as possible. The focus is on establishing the federation as the users and community can and will come later. To my point: We need to develop simple set-up tutorials in modular chapters for people to be able to easily follow, all at once or in sections over several afternoons. As close to plug-n-play as possible to be as widely accessible as possible to get people off the cloud and independent and resilient. A wish list of some of the platforms and features: forum(s) (Lenny, phpBB, etc), wiki, PeerTube, web-scraping archive, crypto, TOR, IPFS, ZeroNet, torrent, I2P, etc.

    Eventually you may share tutorials on my new projects wiki (yet to be online and with much work yet to do setting it up) dedicated to projects of all kinds, whatever that may entail. Tutorials, blogs, galleries, essays, activism, encyclopedias (redundant), production management, etc etc etc.

    [–]la_cues 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Holy shit. This is a site admin public declaring the site compromised and the owner a ghost. I've also learned that g0ldfish1 has abandoned the notabug project.

    I only stumbled on magnora7's interview on TheHighersideChats a few weeks ago, and it gave me a wave of hype towards the decentralized, free speech corners of the public internet. However, it looks as though it is almost not possible for a single "entity" to do this; attackers in many forms drag these sites into the mud, incite mutiny, post racism and hate and pornography, ddos, etc.

    Are the owners burnt out? (I would be) or even behind the scenes forced out by higher powers?

    Maybe engaging with the users in formation of rules is a fruitless endeavor. A super authoritarian site ruler that never negotiates on poilcy is also clearly not ideal, but at least it stops any infighting and drama. "Here are the rules of the community, or fuck off to a site you like better." but idk

    I think the r*ddit style of aggregator/forum is a bit better than the chans. (of course I mean what saidit is running now, not the redesign) I think the functionality of the site could be tweaked a bit in order to make it better, like giving a distinction from whether a post is focused on the media, or whether a post is focused on discussion. A user would have the algorithm tailored to them based on what they are trying to see more of. Posts individually would have different sorting/display/functionality methods depending on their type.

    You are probably correct that a traditional forum would be better than saidit for a discussion focused site.

    Anyway, a very sad state of the union. Let us fly the saidit flag upside down.

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      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      The rules should be decided before the site goes online, and be changed very rarely. Enforcement should also be to the letter, which ain't what happens on SaidIt. Folks have to know what to expect.

      Agreed. That's why I keep talking about a constitution or manifesto with unchangeable immutable fundamental goals. No matter how much the leadership or community change there will always be the original mission statement. Rules and guides may come and go, ebb and flow, and evolve, but they should always abide the fundamentals.

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I've also learned that g0ldfish1 has abandoned the notabug project.

      Drag.

      "Here are the rules of the community, or fuck off to a site you like better." but idk

      That's one general option among many. With several policy sets with simple fundamentals to pick and choose from, like-minded federated site owners and communities can be on the same page and use matching filters and settings.

      giving a distinction from whether a post is focused on the media, or whether a post is focused on discussion

      Fantastic idea! More metatags on all things. Why should the technocracy only get all the useful data?

      You are probably correct that a traditional forum would be better than saidit for a discussion focused site.

      This is a dilemma. SaidIt was born out of Reddit. Reddit and SaidIt users are lazy and set in their ways. Just like people on Facebook who won't try SaidIt. Introducing them to a new forum is a HUGE ask. Most won't.

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Why reinvent the wheel? Let's first free SaidIt from it's centralized stranglehold under M7 and the limits of the old-Reddit code. Once we're in a decentralized federation we can work on new features, better social management, and maybe even design and build a new better next-gen forum - or all of the above.

      IMO, it's a pointless exercise in ego unless you decentralize. Either you don't want to share admin powers in a federation or clearly you don't have faith in our project. I'm not making anything because I can't and I won't. I'm not I.T. but I can try to help. /u/LarrySwinger2 says he's doing something sometime somehow but so far we're over 2 months in and we have nothing to show you. He did get the wiki back up though. Perhaps you can help me figure out why I can't connect the DNS.

      If we had a Lenny forum, MediaWiki, PeerTube, and a web-scraping archival thing, it would be nice to have them all decentralized with bridging between the related platforms plus whatever tweaks, features, etc that need to be addressed and developed. That is where the true innovation is.

      I don't think you should do it for several reasons.

      • You won't have an instant following just because you came from SaidIt or because you're an admin here.
      • Like it or not, you already have several issues and a history here that stacks up against you.
      • "Intelligent debate" is extremely subjective. I'm here for ideas, info, and community and generally avoid debate.
      • Going it alone is not what community is about. M7 doesn't seem to get this. Drop the ego and be a team player.
      • If you can't code in a team then fork from something like Lemmy/Lenny so they can reverse engineer it back into the fold if your improvements are good.
      • Most importantly: Your coding skills can be MUCH better utilized fixing and developing other things.
      • Build some new features for SaidIt, such as a sub-filter that allows "X" number of posts on /s/All from extra-popular subs.

      [–]Badwithawp 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I'd say probs a lot easier to just build something new and take what you can from the back end. The old reddit code is pretty bad.

      [–]beece 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      Voat.xyx allows for uncensored debate. Go post there. Clearly you want to censor people "no name-calling, argumentum ad hominem, or calls to violence"..let your users call it out. Like on Voat.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Voat is worse than SaidIt, especially with the downvotes.

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      That's why some censorship is necessary without better features.

      [–]Badwithawp 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Why not just implement a flagging system and let users just filter what they want out of it

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      That's the ideal solution that I want, but until that flagging/filtering system is going, even if imperfect, then it's just a pipe dream.

      Of course the intolerant won't stand for it. It makes me wonder if there are flagging/filtering systems that have been repressed or suppressed since the powers that be would do stuff like that.

      [–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      I'd proly write it in JavaScript, since it's really easy to get NodeJS up and running

      Ugh.

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        [–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Sure, more crap from modern scum.

        [–]Salsashark 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I'd like to see traditional forums make a come back. Reddit was a peak. Others try, like Saidit, but it's just like reddit. Except right, not left. I'd like to see Reddit, but several years ago. Before people couldn't shut the fuck up about politics. I've been posting on the same forum for 20 years. It started as a Juggalo message board, but evolved as we all grew out of it. We still post together. There's a political thread. But, politics aren't allowed in other threads. It's an unwritten rule.

        [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Ruqqus and MeWe allow uncensored debate. You could try those.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I like debate. So far. So I'll let this one slide. If baseball was a real-life game you couldn't even touch ground. You just wouldn't get what a Puck in fact is. So you claim alt-right? For a theme you don't even own.

        [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Sure! Go right ahead! There aren't enough forums on this board that people won't search for and can't find, anyway.