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[–]TheJamesRocket 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

Socks should have a post limit on his account, so that he can't spam threads with dozens of inane comments.

ActuallyNot should just be banned.

[–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And that vishnu user as well

[–]FlippyKing 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (103 children)

won't they just come back as socks2 or bctuallynot? Block them and worry not about their disingenuous trolling

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

I've tried to convince them to block each-other, Jason and socks, but they never listen. I just quit trying eventually. I blocked actuallynot the other day, when it became obvious he was just trying to waste my time (along with a few other trolls).

I don't know about socks, but actuallynot would definitely come back with an army of alt accounts.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Blocking socks won't stop him from ruining SaidIt for everyone, including my local friends who I'm trying to bring here. Ignorance is bliss, but ignorance via blocking is no excuse. Intentionally being blind to the abuses is intentionally setting SaidIt up for failure.

Socks is perpetually breaking the rules.

Yes they're obviously timesucks.

If we don't ban them, we'll never know if they'll come back in alts accounts - and ban evasion is a rule I guess but it's not on the FAQ (/u/d3rr ?). I've been unfairly banned TWICE - and neither of those rule-breakers has even been banned once.

[–]Node 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

But to be fair, your bans and retractions led to the demise of the cancer that's killing /b/ spring dramafest that caused somewhat of a user exodus to other sites. Although we're still waiting for the proverbial other shoe to drop when m7 decides what to do about saidit.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Don't blame me for trolls, closed management, management's no show, and the lack of rule enforcement, when they say they want evidence enough to ban them and don't follow through.

Going along to get along is the same bullshit that is going to bring in this vaccine passport bullshit.

A single post once a week for Spring Dramafest was nothing compared to the ongoing trolls, SJWs and Nazis. And a single post this Fall will not turn away people. The world has bigger issues and problems to deal with and I suspect that may be responsible for our numbers (which are on the rise after a dip actually - I looked at Alexa and the other one yesterday while updating the FAQ). Plus there may be more interesting new cohesive communities growing out there like Locals, Odysee, Communities.win, etc. I can only guess.

Yes, SaidIt's days are numbered regardless of M7. The old software may last 1 or 5 or 10 years, or more, but eventually the old code will no longer be supported and d3rr is not interested in transplanting it.

[–]Noam_Chomsky 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Seems to be an uptick in shill activity.

Here's a recent example from today (ActuallyNot)

https://saidit.net/s/politics/comments/8esz/its_like_the_whole_thing_was_staged_or_something/v7oe?context=3 This is probably a positive sign.

The absurdity of Reddit is causing it's audience to look to less censored alternatives.

It's damage control for the crumbling Reddit PsyOp.

They are desperately trying to keep their fraudulent narrative afloat.

I agree with whomever said they'd just make a new name. . Rather than banning them, a handful of reliable community members could save a few examples of obscenely obvious shilling from the offending account.

Then add a link to these obviously dishonest comments, whenever/wherever this account is pushing nonsense.

They can't hide behind their own lying comments.

Eat Scum, SCUMBAG!!!

Use the scumbags own words against them.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't understand this.

[–]FlippyKing 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe moderators of subs could ban them and put in their side bar the pro-tip of blocking them for a better user experience, or at least remind people of that option in the side bar.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Moderators are allowed to ban people for dragging discussion down the Pyramid of Debate, that's all I'll say.

[–]Node 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Tell me if I'm "doing it wrong", but blocking socks has also blocked a large number of comment threads. (Can I block a user and still see the replies that follow in that thread?)

But it's surprising how easily one can detect replies to socks in s/all/comments. There's a level of frustration and annoyance that seems unique to his interlocutors. Then you click on context and get the "there's nothing here" message.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I don't think you are doing anything wrong, that is just how the block function works.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The block function is VERY incomplete.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes! Too bad they aren't interested in fixing things here.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Too bad they aren't interested in fixing things here.

I wouldn't go that far.

There's interest, but there's also reality. It's a matter of limited resources, time, energy, coding, and organization with an outdated software that needs a major overhaul for this free platform. At present there is only d3rr. (I suspect it was mostly only him coding before too.) This SaidIt software is on Python 2 I think and soon servers won't be offering that anymore. We may have to build our own server to host the old code, IF we can convince M7 and D3 to relocate it.

In my naive non-coder humble opinion, in an ideal world, we would build three things:

  1. A Reddit-style skin (not just theme) for an existing well-supported FLOSS (and/or decentralized) forum like phpBB. Lazy users can use it in simplistic Reddit mode and everyone else can use the more powerful features in other modes (ie. Facebook-style, phpBB-style, simple style, advanced style, etc).
  2. A database mirror that would copy all of SaidIt to that new forum.
  3. A way to transfer or set up users accounts onto the new forum.

[–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Ehhhhh is one of them

[–]mahavishnunj 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

someone whining like a bitch about users that hurt your feelings? that is almost ironic from a post i read from someone elsewhere in this thread, lol. this same posters history is one of the most embarrassing things ive seen on this site, but im not naming names.....thats against the rules.

[–]Node 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

but im not naming names

Aircraft types? Btw, did you ever get back to those people who are wondering what ever happened to the user named mahavishnunj they used to know?

Progressive Ears

Anyone remember a guy from long ago, back when PE was still on Yahell, with the moniker "mahavishnunj"? He disappeared and I never found out what happened ...

Poor guy is looking for some closure.

[–]mahavishnunj 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

how anyone could have that name besides me is interesting. but i dont even know who 'those people' would be to get back to. this is the only social media thing i post on.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

It does seem unlikely, doesn't it? I initially searched to see if your user name is some kind of common name or term, but it appears fairly unique. If you search it on the google, that closure guy is about halfway down the first page for me.

And for what it's worth, I think you're more of just some kind of weirdo than an actual troll or shill. You have too many legitimate opinions to be either of those, at least full time. No harm in mild trolling from time to time.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

_And for what it's worth, [...] No harm in mild trolling from time to time.

That's how I saw it as nothing caught my attention before Airbus pointed at them.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

There are many, but most are minor by comparison.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (67 children)

It's more than just trolling.

Rule #1 : "If a person is caught repeatedly dragging discussion in a downward direction on the Pyramid of Debate, they will be removed."

[–]FlippyKing 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (66 children)

I'm not disagreeing with you. But I have to say, saidit has been much more enjoyable after blocking the obvious trolls and those who always argue in bad faith. Banning them lets them know they've been banned and the will just create a new account, or accounts. The cure might be worse than the disease, like coronavirus.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (65 children)

This is about more than just my comfort. Among many reasons, this is also about not alienating new users who are truth-seekers and free-thinkers but don't give a shit about trolling culture found anywhere else. For example, it seems like Popper was trying to fuck up my efforts to bring my real-life Windsor resistance friends to this platform.

Other users have been banned an not returned. Maybe they deserved it maybe they didn't. Certainly most of them did. If and when they return, it's obvious who the real trouble makers are as they tend to let loose. Some have quietly returned and been civil, because they never really deserved it. If we did ban socks and ActuallyNot and they did return we might see their true essence, if it wasn't already obvious.

[–]FlippyKing 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

You make an excellent point. I vote yes then if this is a democracy. We see their true essence, and a few other's true essence as well.

You are right about new users being turned off by them, especially I think if they would be new users worth having around.

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    [–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    Re-read what you typed. I obviously DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYIN. You don't even know what you're sayin

    [–]Node 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

    For example, it seems like Popper was trying to fuck up my efforts to bring my real-life Windsor resistance friends to this platform.

    Funny case. Do you remember how popper used to be like a slightly milder version of socks and nemocolin (sp) before his months-long absence? The new popper seems to have shaken off some of that wokeness he used to display.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    I don't know. Popper seems more multi-personality than even socks does. Popper is often insightful and on target - and just as often spewing woke bullshit. Few on here are as unpredictably random. At least he/she/it/they are not authoritarians or terrible liars, so far as I've seen. Pulling that troll bullshit yesterday was new to me and does not bode well.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    When, Jason, when will you learn that morality-based authoritarianism IS THE ONLY THING that has been tried and that can save mankind, collectively speaking. All other collectivity management options are open to subversion. Well, local direct democracy would work, but it hasn't been tried since... cavemen?

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Who's morality? Trudeau's? Hitler's? Mao's? Zionists'? Anyone's? No thanks.

    local direct democracy would work

    Voluntaryism and Cooperatives.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    You are a closet communist, aren't you?

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Obviously you don't understand what Voluntaryism and Cooperatives are about.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    morality-based authoritarianism IS THE ONLY THING that has been tried and that can save mankind

    Might want to read Oswald Spengler's, 'The Decline of the West'

    [–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

    Consider that vishnu user as well. He likes to go to posts he don't like and then cries, just like socks

    [–]mahavishnunj 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    He likes to go to posts he don't like and then cries, just like socks

    id love to see an example of me 'crying'. do you mean shitting on garbage threads and posts which someone(cough cough)here is legendary for?

    [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    You do it repeatedly

    [–]mahavishnunj 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    give me an example. or do you not want a reply of you embarrassing yourself far more than any post ive ever made here? allegedly of course-im not specifically calling you out. that is just a possibility. because certain pussies here(cough cough)actually cry like bitches. not pointing any fingers directly though.

    [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    I would have compiled it if magnora was here

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    I would like to see you type more than a sentence in reply to someone.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

    I'm not too familiar with /u/Vishnu.

    [–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

    Its mahavishnunj

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (15 children)

    Right. We can cross that bridge when we get to it.

    Take down the big two and set an example for the others, like a public execution.

    [–][deleted]  (14 children)

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      [–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

      Scratch a socialist and a jew bleeds

      [–]Node 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      How about the jews first? That solution would solve many (if not most of our) problems.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

      First the globalists and totalitarians

      Then the SJWs and commies

      Then the NeoCons and Nazis

      Then their shills and asstrolls

      Then we're about good.

      [–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

      I want to stress that I agree with you on the banning. So, what next? What if they don't ban them or what if they come back? Maybe moderators of subs could ban them and put in their side bar the pro-tip of blocking them for a better user experience, or at least remind people of that option in the side bar.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      I had to ban Poopper from /u/StandUpWindsor for a better user experience. Too late after the asstroll shit all over my post. Maybe we'll all have to have private subs for our projects if the rules can't be enforced.

      With no rules I expect this place to slide to shit. I hope it doesn't. If it does my hesitancy to recommend it to other aware folks will increase.

      I have a huge list of stuff I aim to do, locally and online, including start up a new video channel. So I'm going to pull way back anyway.

      I totally fucked up with this post. It's my fault that I wasn't completely clear that this was about perpetually breaking the rules without consequences - NOT the fact that they are liars, authoritarians, and shills. Getting them banned is killing 2 birds with 1 stone. Instead they use censorship victimhood as a shield and suckers buy it.

      [–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      I don't think you fucked up with this post. I think you are just being honest and expressing genuine things. I think you are one of the best parts of this place and I would be OK with banning a thousand socks and other trolls if it meant your content and your ideas grew and developed more clearly as a result.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      Aw, shucks. Saved (for my ego, until the swelling goes down).

      FYI: You're one of the good ones too. I'd add you to my friends list but you were already there a while ago. (I like to read the friends names in red first to see what kind of conversations are going on under posts.)

      [–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Cool! I did not know there was a friends thing here. I will check that out.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Go to any user's page and add/remove them or in here:
      https://saidit.net/prefs/friends/

      Then you can see only their posts or comments under:
      https://saidit.net/s/friends/

      And their name shows up red in conversations in dark mode. In light mode there's not much difference.


      /u/d3rr, two recommendations, if it's not a chore:

      1. Differentiate "friends" in light mode.
      2. Add a third tab under /s/friends/ that links back to prefs.

      If you're going to do either of those lemme know, and if not soon I can draft up a public service announcement to share info about this friends feature, and add it to the FAQ. Am I forgetting anything?

      [–]astronautrob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

      Man sad to see you on the censorship train Jason, I had a higher opinion of you. Banning = censorship, period. To make some argument we need to protect new members or w.e is silly. We are all adults, people can block users if they choose, it's really easy. I think anyone coming to this site has a fairly thick skin and if not again these people are adults we don't need to treat them like snowflakes. A top down approach is never the answer. If everyone blocked these people then they would have no one to interact with right? That would be more organic and more in line with what I believe saidit is trying to be. I respect you man, I usually like your contributions to this site, but this is not one of them. This fake drama, this talk of banning, is a waste of time. You and anyone else can stop interacting with these people, stop seeing what they say, etc., with one click. Instead you want big Daddy to ban them? Come on man grow up, let's be adults here. We can shun these people and make them irrelevant without involving daddy saidit. Let's try it at least before running to Mommy and Daddy.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

      Their ongoing rule-breaking is the primary problem and it sets bad examples for others to follow. That is why they should be banned.

      I'm not for censorship, though getting rid of the sealioning trolls is bonus. When this site is overrun with sealions benefiting from no censorship we'll deal with that then. There's no shortage of others here I don't agree with and won't call for their bans. The block function is very incomplete and a failure IMO as it stands. I don't need block to ignore them.

      I failed. I should have been more clear in my post and clarified the distinctions. For that I am sorry.

      We can shun these people and make them irrelevant

      Countering their bullshit is a full-time job that will never end. Like all of us they are free to roam our pastures, but they leave huge turds everywhere they go. I'm done trying to clean up their shit. I did try it by the rules, several times, and they weren't enforced, thus leading to this post. You won't see more "fake drama" about this after this post from me.

      Shame you missed the point.

      [–]astronautrob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

      Ah man Jason you make me giggles. Acting like someone doesn't understand, shame shame, hahaha, just like the children on the other side. Man really expected better from you than a retort that I didn't get your point. Banning, getting rid, etc., these are euphemisms for censorship whatever rational you want to put after that statement. The block function works pretty good as a couple other people have said in this thread already. The fact that you choose not to use it is your choice, a poor one in my opinion but your choice none the less. Idk did I miss something or I thought once dr3 or w.e took back over he said he wasn't too keen on the pyramid of debate or these "rules". Eh, maybe he's changed his tune which would be a bummer. Either way crying about some rules and people breaking them makes you sound like a child sorry dude. Just grow up, get off the computer for a little bit, and ignore these people. And please try blocking them, it really does help. Banning = censorship PERIOD. W.e rationale or reasoning you want to put after that doesn't take a away from that fact. You want to censor people for breaking rules? Ok cool but call it like it is, it's fucking censorship and you're prompting it. Fuck off with this "shame you missed my point shit" bro, we both know your smarter than that. Call it for what it is, censorship, for whatever reasons IDC but speak the truth my friend.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      If you think banning porn and spam and other rule-breakers is censorship then so be it. I call it good hygiene.

      M7D3 have never claimed that SaidIt is a "free speech" zone (alluring to asstroll chaos) because they want civilized discourse here.

      Conveniently you've ignored the complaints about the block function, under this post and abundant elsewhere on Saidit.

      Either way crying about some rules and people breaking them makes you sound like a child sorry dude. Just grow up, get off the computer for a little bit, and ignore these people.

      Stooping to saying basic crap like that only looks bad on those who say it.

      [–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      The 'logic' is like that of a socks alt.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Agreed and noted.

      [–]astronautrob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Dude if you want censor people ok but stop arguing about the semantics to try and make yourself feel better. Banning = censorship, no matter the reasoning. Also the whole pulling out a piece of the response instead of responding to the whole post is trollish. I did say something about the block feature. I said in my opinion, along with a few others on this thread, seem to think the block feature works fine. To say it's incomplete is silly. When I blocked theameliamay or w.e the fuck his/her name is all it's shit went away. That doesn't seem incomplete to me. You can ignore people without blocking them, yes, but you don't seem to have that ability. If you feel it's incomplete let's works to make it better instead of censoring people. There are always other ways. Also try not to respond twice before I get to answer one retort it makes for a really bad discussion. &Really my friend, just try getting off the computer for a little bit and being in the real world I promise you this stuff won't mean as much.

      [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

      we both know your smarter than that.

      Spelling errors in the same sentence where you're saying someone else is dumb are particularly

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      LOL.

      [–]astronautrob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

      ...saying we both know he's smarter than being dumb is saying he's being dumb? Are you trolling today? Lol, that makes no sense my friend.

      [–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

      I'm saying that making spelling errors while calling someone dumb should be embarrassing, because it denotes a high level of obliviousness.

      [–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      JasonCarswell[S] 10 insightful - 4 fun - 4 months ago This is about more than just my comfort. Among many reasons, this is also about not alienating new users who are truth-seekers and free-thinkers but don't give a shit about trolling culture found anywhere else. For example, it seems like Popper was trying to fuck up my efforts to bring my real-life Windsor resistance friends to this platform.

      Popper is gone now and wont be annoying anyone anymore.

      [–]MONKEYBALLS 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

      won't they just come back as socks2 or bctuallynot?

      lol.

      [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Hey you, go back to the coal mine

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Skeeter's real name is Edward.

      [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

      It's about everyone else being negatively affected by their breaking the few rules we have.

      [–]FlippyKing 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      I agree, my only concerns where about them circumventing bans by creating new accounts. The new users argument, where they'd be turned off to the site by their trolling and ingenuousness, is a good reason to send them packing.

      [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      That's the whole idea, to poison the site.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      circumventing bans by creating new accounts

      If we don't try we'll never know. If they do come back it proves they're shit disturbers. If they don't no great loss.

      [–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Not disagreeing at all.

      [–][deleted]  (5 children)

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        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

        It only takes one to disrupt, drag down, be an asstroll, smear, lie, misinform, shill, spam, and/or spoil Saidit. We have at least 2.

        [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

          Lie.

          [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          I would say 4 but it all probably someones alts

          [–]jykylsin2034 10 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

          Socks is dumb an annoying. I haven't heard of the other guy. I say we keep them for satire.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 10 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

          Satire is supposed to be fun.

          [–]Chipit 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Hard no.

          [–]literalotherkin 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

          I think d3rr is right on this one, Jason. I mostly just lurk the DAR sub and of course have had run ins with Socks but I don't think he's malicious he's just extremely dull and one of those people who needs to 'win' internet arguments for some odd reason. Those people always drag a discussion into a long back and forth dick measuring contest including copious citations -- usually always from Wikipedia or a Quora post what he read in Socks case.

          I say just ignore or block. There's no need for these people to actually have the ability to drag discussions down outside of what we give them.

          Just my two cents.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Socks but I don't think he's malicious

          Obviously you haven't had enough exposure.

          Thanks for your two cents. It counts. As does everyone's feedback here. It's not a simple matter. But they are clear rule-breakers.

          [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 6 fun -  (51 children)

          No matter how you feel about someone, they could surprise you with some insightful things to say. Disagreements can get out of hand on here, but that all depends on how much emotional work is going into it. That said, no. Both have posted some pain in the ass comments imo, but restrictions on their ability to post because of even escalated disagreements is stupid. We don't want our speech restricted, so why would we impose that on someone else simply because we don't like what they have to say or piss us off with their argument methods?

          [–]soundsituation 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (18 children)

          Okay, I'm curious: do you feel the same way about paid influencers? I agree with everything you said when it comes to free agents, but I think an exception should be made for shills, in the same way that I think individuals should be afforded maximum liberty but corporations should be held to a different standard.

          [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

          Companies should definitely be held to a different standard, and held accountable for having employees astroturf or do any paid activity that benefits their business while disrupting the natural discussion ecosystems.

          [–]chadwickofwv 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (12 children)

          I can agree that paid influencers should be banned, but how can you be sure someone is being paid for a post? I believe you have to default to free speech unless you can prove an account is a paid shill, not just a shill. I don't really believe this site has the resources for that type of investigation.

          [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

          As users, we don't unless something is obvious enough or there's strong evidence.

          [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

          It's obvious to most of us.

          [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

          Ok. I prefer giving people the benefit of the doubt.

          [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

          That's fine. I did as well, for half a year. I rejected the people who told me socks was a waste of time, because I was much softer on weak people back then.

          But that user is incredibly inauthentic. You simply have not had the same level of exposure some of us have had. Hard work shows forth proper fruit, and dirty work shows forth rotten fruit. Socks only has the few authentic leftists here defending him, people who are most likely to fall for that account's lies and rhetoric. So, good on you for being influenced by some third-party.

          [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

          How long has socks been here?

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

          Nov. 2020

          This reminds me, if I may butt in: "inauthentic" is one of the various forms of strange name-calling I've only seen on Saidit, and I don't know what it means or why anyone has to use the term. It's just bullying, though I am surprised by the lengths to which some users will go to continually claim that users thay don't agree with are paid antifa, Soros, Chinese, Zionist, libtard, gay, non-white, furry, dominatrix, Opus Dei, Jesuit, Rothschild, Fauci, Big Pharma, CIA, NSA, terrorist shills. I've learned all of that here on Saidit. I previously had no idea one could be so talented. Lucky me.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

          I'm guessing that it's meant to mean that you're not saying things that you truly agree with, and that you're adhering to a narrative that isn't necessarily your own-- one considered harmful, etc..

          The issue is unwillingness to understand that not everyone feels the same. When both parties in an argument fervently believe that they're correct, they consider their opponent to be either woefully misguided, stupid, a troll, or a shill. Hilariously, no one likely has it all figured out. We create an armour out of our personal philosophies, and get all in a tizzy when someone tries to take a shot though.

          I guess you just have to buckle in and assume your fursona, socks.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Hard work shows forth proper fruit, and dirty work shows forth rotten fruit.

          Poetic. Saved.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          It's irrelevant if they're paid or not.
          It's irrelevant if they shill or not.
          We all have agendas.
          It matters if they break the rules - perpetually.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

          This is what u/D3rr needs to get through his head, unless he himself is ok with paid influencers acting on this website, willy nilly. Willy nilly, I say.

          [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

          unless he himself is ok with paid influencers acting on this website

          Yes, I am fine with it for numerous reasons

          • this is anonymous social media, there is no way to stop it
          • there is no way to identify them aside from witch hunting, which can ruin a site even more than having paid shills. e.g. AOU and Poal
          • there are no rules that prohibit being a "paid influencer"
          • i already spent hours and hours developing custom user and sub blocking tools
          • not my site, im just the temporary janny

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          My two cents: I agree.

          I also think the rules should be enforced and perpetual downward trolls should be banned.

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          I respect your position, although I disagree and think your position is dangerous.

          Long live the reign of u/D3rr!!!

          [–]Node 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (24 children)

          Socks surprised me one time by pretending to be a legitimate person, and I got sucked into replying to him. Just have him blocked because he's the only troll-shill I get tempted to reply to.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (22 children)

          I either get bored, or just give up reason to respond. I'm sorrt of ashamed to admit this, but socks honestly reminds me so much of a friend that I've had for nearly 20 years irl that I can't block him. It's uncanny, down to similar goofy ass jokes and the way that he responds to things.

          [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

          You are advocating for an inauthentic user to be on this website, stirring shit. And you think Jason is wrong for trying to stop it.

          It's not silly or goofy or harmless.

          [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (18 children)

          I'm defending the ability for him to speak freely, and for you to do the same. I don't know how authentic socks is. I don't agree with the way that he dismisses information, the politicians he follows, or the covid vaccine opinions he's got. I can also yank up my big girl breetches and fucking ignore it when I choose to, because this is the internet and we're not revolutionaries in it.

          [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

          If you are ok with these sorts of spam-level users, then ok. Jason and I think it's a waste of time to entertain.

          [–]Node 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

          I activated my sock-block, because something about the way he words things causes me to really want to reply with corrections. No problems ignoring the other trolls, shills, and puppets, but comments by socks cry out for corrections.

          I would be okay with banning him if it didn't cause problems, but it would. Remember the banning drama back in the spring, and how that led to all those problems. m7 is still avoiding the internet (or at least saidit) because of some of the problems all that drama led to.

          And where do you stop? ActuallyNot, the shalom guy, skeeters alts, and the list could keep growing.

          It is a waste of time to entertain. But I fear there's an endless supply of people willing to feed them.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

          m7 is still avoiding the internet (or at least saidit) because of some of the problems all that drama led to.

          Do you know this to be true or is this speculation?

          And where do you stop?

          Stop where the rules stop. Most of the shills, trolls, commies, and Nazis on SaidIt actually abide by the rules, so for better or worse they can stay, but we can keep watch for when they break the rules - and hope the arbitrary judgement and courage of the admins will take action.

          and the list could keep growing.

          One storm a week is enough. Next week we can start the list. If SaidIt were to grow then we may need it. A.I., the culture war, and tyranny are also on the rise. Maybe it's a pointless witch hunt. We can take care to keep it fair. More later.

          [–]Node 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          m7 hasn't framed it that way, to my knowledge. But remember how cranky he was when he banned you, bobbobbybob, and musky?

          As for banning rule violators, many of us would be gone already if the rules were strictly followed.

          There's also some irony in banning only working with with users who aren't assholes.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          M7 took on the burden and refused to delegate or find any decent solution, topping it all off by abandoning his duties leaving someone incapable in charge with a deep grudge he instilled in them like a time bomb, unbeknownst to me, thus causing even more drama when I got temp-banned again.

          "repeatedly dragging discussion in a downward direction"

          It's the repetition that's critically key - and arbitrary.

          There's also some irony in banning only working with with users who aren't assholes.

          Perhaps, LOL, I don't know what that says about me, as I've been banned twice, and officially resurrected twice. Maybe I'm the grey area around the asshole if I'm not one directly - or double sized.

          [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (12 children)

          I just don't give them the same level of care. If you don't consider them worthy of entertainment, that's understandable, but why even engage them? It's just going to devolve into getting pissed off and getting nowhere as a result. Proving points to them might work. Maybe. But letting shit get out of hand and calling each other liars or accusing each other of anything at all will probably net you a spike in blood pressure and a lot of time pissed away into the ether.

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

          I understand your arguments, and I think they are stupid. Shills and trolls should be dealt with accordingly.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

          Neat. I think your arguments are stupid too. Glad we got that out of the way.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

          Neato!

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

          Don't drag down the discussion with comments like this. If you want to "deal" with "shills and trolls (if you can find any), you can 'report' them. Mods will see the reports and decide accordingly. It's really simple.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

          I'm not one to cry to u/D3rr. I'll do it for bots or known alts.

          I didn't start this thread, you know. I just don't care for pretenders and support getting rid of them.

          [–]Node 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

          You very much remind me of a friend that I've had here for nearly 20 years saying that.

          All of us on saidit are doppelgangers of your real life friends. 😁

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

          It starts to feel like that, no shit.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          So, you're saying, he's good at what he does? XD

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

          because we don't like what they have to say

          That is NOT the issue. You missed the point. What about the rule-breaking?

          [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

          Socks made the point before that he's going to defend himself. No matter what his reasons are for being here are, I fully expect him and anyone else to defend themselves to a degree. That goes for you as well.

          HOWEVER: You're not innocent here. You drag discussion down with your relentless vigilante complex in trying to out the shills, slamming out paragraph after paragraph, following their posts, and just acting like a tattler. Fucking block them. You're investing far too much into bullshit internet arguments with people you don't know from Adam's housecat. You post quality content, and around this time last year I remember you being pretty civil and focused heavily on multiple projects. I don't know what's going on in your life to make you turn away from those projects, or what changed in your personal life, but you need to find something else to put yourself into other than focusing on specific users on here that you get your ass hairs in a bunch over.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

          You should not defend shills.

          [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Nor jews

          [–]ShalomEveryone 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

          Well said, I am surprised he did not reply to your post calling you a shill.

          Shalom

          ✡️️

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

          Thank you. Eh, just give it time.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          HOWEVER: You're not innocent here.

          Maybe not. Maybe I am. Depends how you look at it.

          You drag discussion down with your relentless vigilante complex in trying to out the shills,

          I agree. That's the only way I know of to collect the evidence without actually stalking them. I happen across their bullshit or they respond or comment on my posts. Those are the random frictions that may spark into a blaze.

          slamming out paragraph after paragraph,

          I do this everywhere anyway. This is not unique to my efforts to rid SaidIt of the worst rule-breakers.

          following their posts, and just acting like a tattler.

          This is 100% bullshit. We're supposed to report problems to the mods and admins to help them maintain this site and civil discourse.

          Fucking block them.

          Fucking block me if you don't want to read my shit. The block feature is VERY incomplete and is presently one of the shittiest features on SaidIt that is a detriment to our community, IMO.

          You're investing far too much

          Maybe you're not invested enough.

          If you know of a better forum for truth-seeking and free-thinking in our world being strangled by globalists' agendas, then let me know. I'm here to learn, share, grow, improve this community and resist tyranny.

          what's going on in your life

          I have no shortage of projects. Obviously I've been sharing awareness about /s/Agenda21_Agenda2030, /s/Banksters, /s/Canada, /s/ClassWar, /s/ClimateSkeptics, /s/Coronavirus, /s/CorruptScience, /s/CultureWars, /s/FoodCrises, /s/FuckMasks, /s/Justice_v_Injustice, /s/LockdownSkepticism, /s/NoNewNormal, /s/Politics, /s/Pushback, /s/ResistanceAnalysis, /s/Surveillance, /s/Technocracy, /s/Tyranny, /s/VaccineInjuries, /s/VaccineSkepticism, and Zionism - among other things. Locally I've been active distributing /s/Druthers and organizing and co-leading resistance Freedom Rallies with /s/StandUpWindsor. And I've been helping several seniors that are very aware (3 days this week), though I really should focus more on my farther reaching online /s/Cassy projects including /s/LeverMind my new video channel, in progress, and /s/Projex a wiki for any kind of project, especially tyranny resistance, coming soon.

          to make you turn away from those projects

          They are still in development.

          you need to

          You need to stop judging people.

          focusing on specific users

          If you think one interaction per season is "focusing" then you need to check your eyes.

          Those specific users are disruptive trolls who have been perpetually breaking Rule #1 "If a person is caught repeatedly dragging discussion in a downward direction on the Pyramid of Debate, they will be removed."

          If you are too myopic to see the harm socks and ActuallyNot are doing to our SaidIt community then you need to take a look and focus. Besides my testimony others may give you their abundance of stories and evidence if you ask.

          Lastly, if d3rr had enforced the rules, I would not have made this post and the matter would have died on the branch of that discussion where it occurred.

          [–]GST893 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

          Ignore them and do not engage.

          [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Works too

          [–]Drewski 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (21 children)

          I'm against banning. The pyramid of debate is a good framework for civil discussions, but I don't want to see it used to silence dissenting voices.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

          I'm against banning too.

          But will we let our civil discourse slide now because of these two? If they get to perpetually break the rules with downward trolling what's to stop the rest of us from mud slinging? Fuck the filth, lies, and name-calling.

          [–]Drewski 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

          I block some of the blatant trolls and shitposters, others I only engage if I feel their comment is in good faith or will provide something for the rest of the community. Hopefully we can take the high ground by not engaging in mud slinging and name calling so their attempts to drag down dialogue will be apparent.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

          It's been apparent for a year that socks is an inauthentic user. A year has passed since people started to catch on to that account.

          They got rid of the Ironleft for good reason. Socks is similar.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

          Interestingly, I found the Ironleft character so wildly far out that he was utterly amusing to me. I don't know, I didn't find him actually disruptive, at least not at first, since his posts were so delirious. There are people who took it seriously? I mean... HOW?

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

          You said it yourself: at first, they were just silly. I remember stumbling onto their sub and literally thinking it was the most bizarre place I'd ever seen online, second only to reddit and 4chan, both of which I despise.

          But after their account banning, I was silenced from commenting due to something I said on one of their pages, and they tried to coerce me into making a new account to circumvent the silencing. I told em to eat shit, and they promptly tried to suck me into their bs.

          I'm a young guy. I got onto the internet knowing I'd find dumb shit like that. It's almost to be expected. But I have no reason to entertain it. I will probably take the route u/Node takes and activate the sock-block.

          But those Ironleft guys went from funny, to bothersome, to downright intrusive. People like that can eat dirt, in my honest opinion.

          If we are to believe u/socks, no one takes anything on Saidit seriously. I take most things seriously, maybe that's a fault of mine, I'm not sure.

          [–]Node 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

          Not sure if I caught all the iron left antics, but those front page posts were amusing, and were calling out some legitimate problems, like the unfair bannings. I like to think guys like that could be converted back to decent users, but maybe I'm too optimistic.

          I'm not optimistic about socks. He's a weird case. I've seen him act like a normal person, but then he drops into that disingenuous shill act like he has no control over it. It's like multiple personalities or something.

          The downside of blocking is that it blocks comments by the shill, and all replies that follow in that thread. I've seen a LOT of blank pages, due to that.

          The trick, I think, would be to be able see and read their comment, without succumbing to the sudden desire to reply and refute their latest bullshit.

          If you've been getting sucked into replying to him, see if doing something like making his tag "DO NOT REPLY TO THIS SHILL/TROLL" might help. Whatever helps you not click the reply button will save you a lot of annoyance.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Your advice is the one I'll take, seeing as he's here until he slips up one too many times in front of D3rr.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

          were calling out some legitimate problems, like the unfair bannings.

          There were more cons than pros to that nonsense. Sure they were raising awareness about some real issues, but also mixing in spin and bullshit. Further, they were using the legit issues as a shield of righteousness when they were anything but that. Also, by association of addressing the same issues as I was, they confused many while smearing the issues and me in the minds of many. Some may still hold a grudge for "causing" drama and/or even blame me for M7's disappearance much later. I didn't need to sensationalize M7's behaviour which spoke for itself.

          They were not redeemable.

          to be able see and read their comment, without succumbing to the sudden desire to reply and refute their latest bullshit.

          With enough coding there are countless ways to modify and improve the block function. Newer posts are highlighted, perhaps the "blocked" could be highlighted in red or auto-collapsed or something else.

          I won't block/censor content. I also won't bother engaging them, further. I don't have enough time for their shit and to save the world.

          If tags were a thing on SaidIt, there are dozens of other tags I'd want to have before we make that one, but it wouldn't be bad.

          Having better things to do than arguing will help.

          [–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

          If tags were a thing on SaidIt

          Tags are a thing on Saidit. Here is yours.

          JasonCarswell https://infogalactic.com/w/images/e/e0/2007_Burning_Man_Sunshine_4425_1000x2100.jpg [+128][F,S] 2 insightful - 2 fun - 2 hours ago

          Install RES for saidit and this magic can be yours too.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          That's the old me, before big pharma destroyed my life.

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

          I think they became downright disruptive from the efforts made to prevent their participation. That's something you gotta expect...

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

          Aye, but when I got silenced, I asked for another user to speak on my behalf. Isn't that what a right-minded individual would do if met with adversity? Meet it calmly first then respond with vitriol or defensive tactics if needed?

          Personally, I'm of the opinion that Pastor Johnny/Monkeyballs/skeeter is of the same ilk. If I were banned with no true appeal or process of justice, I'd depart and call it a good riddance. I think children act the way those guys act.

          Perhaps I am just being hard on them because they tried to rope me into their nonsense, and it made me hesitant to use this website at all. I hate troll behavior, but understand it's use.

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          Of course. Nobody's trying to say that IronLeft has anything in common with right-mindedness or any sort of wholesomeness.

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          They were definitely humorous, I remember laughing at their early interactions with the userbase.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          If we are to believe u/socks, no one takes anything on Saidit seriously

          Not my opinion regarding Saiditors. If I said this, it's was obviously not in reference to most of the active Saiditors.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

          If you want me to make you eat your words, I'll make a thread filled with your insults against Saiditors. Please don't delete the evidence of your lies.

          You often make jokes about the website and the users, although you also backpedal often and cozy up to the users who don't call you out.

          Edit: u/JasonCarswell it just seems to me like socks wants to be confronted so they can go limp like a weasel. Waste of time imo.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          Yes. It's a professional timesuck op. Limp Weezil sounds like a '90s band.

          I was going to start a new sub with a wiki, but I have to wait. Or you, or anyone interested, can start it and we can discuss what its purpose is, what it's about, what critical and ethical problems and abuses to avoid, and how we can effectively track and trace STABs' activity while abiding by the rules.

          Initially I thought /s/Shills might do, but now I'm thinking /s/SaidItCommunity would be more positive, with wider potential for much much more, and generally better all around, unless /u/d3rr thinks that sounds too much like it's officially affiliated with the SaidIt management. We could have disclaimers starting off the sidebox saying that we are bottom-up self-organizing independent of this site's top-down management. Or /s/Community may be preferred.

          It's also better because I have several other ideas for not just this online community but many of them overlap with Facebook groups, my local Windsor Resistance and sub-groups, and organizing the world, as well as other SaidIt and Cassy specific things that have been bouncing around in my skull for months.

          Before anyone starts yet another new sub, maybe there's one that might already be acceptable. I've listed all remotely SaidIt-related subs I'm aware of in the sidebox of /s/IdeasForSaidIt. Lemme know if I missed any.

          Maybe this will be just more bureaucratic bullshit. Maybe it can be effective. We won't know until we try. If we don't try then we'll just have to suck up their bullshit along with global tyranny. More importantly, I'd rather work on building fair open community systems for SaidIt and eventually Cassy, and beyond, than waste time arguing with STABs.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Don't tell lies, by referring to comments out of their original contexts. If you are serious about Saidit, stop attacking me and quoting me out of context, as this repeatedly breaks rule 1. "Backpeddling" also doesn't refer to me.

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          I didn't like LXXX and found maybe 5% amusing, but I never thought anyone with half a brain could have taken them seriously. Obviously many people, even intelligent people, still seriously buy some of the shit socks is selling - thus making him the most dangerous on here, especially being so prolific.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          Agreed! He needs to go!

          [–]Voater 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (23 children)

          Didn't we come here to get away from censorship and cancel culture?

          [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Is getting rid of bots and shills cancel culture?

          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

          Yes. SaidIt still has rules. But now d3rr is not enforcing them.

          [–][deleted]  (19 children)

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            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

            Did you mean to share that somewhere else? It seems very off topic.

            [–][deleted]  (15 children)

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              [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (14 children)

              You are mocking colloidal silver? Vets give that to small puppies when they are sick because it is harmless in small amounts and it works. Ivermectin? Something that has been used in the past with no problem? These are Q-level conspiracies to you?

              This website would be better without the bots and reddit shills.

              You are the chirping in the background.

              [–]Node 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

              It's looking like the Q-level conspiracies are separate from the ivermectin and colloidal silver stuff. (What does colloidal silver do?)

              https://www.reddit.com/user/SerialBrain2/comments/axqymq/bye_crooked_hillary_and_21_the_last_pieces_of_the/

              If you never experienced any of the insane in the membrane Q stuff from v/QRV and v/greatawakening, that example from SerialBrain2 will amaze and disturb you. Also, there WAS a user called something LIKE Suzy who POSTED on v/GA and WOULD ALL CAPS roughly 30 PERCENT of HER words, and she wasn't the only one.

              You're watching a show.

              This is the one thing that supposedly came from Q that seems unequivocally true. "Nothing can stop what's coming" is another, that's either a truism, or commentary on the ease of hoodwinking the masses.

              [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              I first learned of colloidal silver from u/Horrux and u/AmericanMuskrat but later discovered to my surprise that our vet prescribes it to sick puppies. We use it when they have respiratory coughs, or rheumy-looking eyes. I drank some to see if Wikipedia was right, that I might turn blue, but nope.

              It can't be patented. Anyone can make it. So they try and make it out to be a pseudo-medicine, and from what I can tell, it can be dangerous if not brewed correctly, surprise surprise.

              I can't waste my time looking into that Q crap. I haven't taken a look since my days at Reddit. The truthful things they talk about can be discovered elsewhere, and from more objective sources.

              [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

              What does colloidal silver do?

              It kills things. Fish, parasites, bacteria.

              [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

              It kills only single-cell organisms and has no effect on anything else.

              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

              Werewolves.

              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

              I am a proponent and user of colloidal silver for almost 20 years now. I have used it in seed germination to prevent rotting, to cure colds and other ailments, in my eyes when I was developing pink eye or I suspected my contact lenses to having been contaminated by mold or something, I have injected myself with the stuff when I had a bout of cellulitis - it cured it in a single day, I could go on and on and on and on.

              Oh and I'm still pinkish white.

              [–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

              Oh and I'm still pinkish white.

              I wonder if you can turn any color by ingesting different colored particles.

              https://www.verywellhealth.com/colloidal-silver-what-you-need-to-know-89555

              Random article on positives and negatives of CS. Is the scare stuff overdone?

              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              It is more invented than overdone. Sure if you make the photo film silver salt, drink copious amounts, and lie in the sun or a tanning bed for hours, something's going to happen. The only thing in common between COLLOIDAL silver and that is... SILVER.

              [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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                [–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                Good read.

                [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                I stopped at "clowns in government". You seem to think they are bumbling idiots. Case closed.

                [–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                Most of the hardcore loonies are over on the dot Win communities

                If by loonies you mean people who admit to literally still using reddit... Some even post links to faceberg. There are some aware users there, but there is a whole sea of the normiest of normies.

                Not that saidit is any better, with the number of trolls who were probably sent here to "make an account then act retarded". And even here, there are the kind of people who still use reddit but think they're legitimate people. Then you have the kids under 40...

                The dynamics are more about keeping the lights on, and at least keeping enough traffic going to maintain interest.

                If the percentage of trolls and the ill-intentioned is too high in that traffic, the risk of repelling the desirable demographics will also be high.

                [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                It aint cancel culture when they do it.

                Shalom

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                [–][deleted]  (9 children)

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                  [–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                  But you know - banning?

                  I know right? But where do you draw the line? Clearly they KEEP breaking Rule #1 without consequences. For fuck sakes, I've been banned TWICE and resurrected twice - and so far socks has gone completely unscathed as far as I know. Let's just ban them for a month and see what happens, like a little experiment. Make it permanent if desired.

                  Lastly, I'm trying to entice my real-life Windsor resistance friends to join this platform. Windsor, SaidIt, and everyone in the world has enough issues to deal with besides asstroll timesucks.

                  [–][deleted]  (7 children)

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                    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                    I don't know about arbitrary, but I'm curious to see if this place improves without them.

                    I didn't know the administrators were banning regular contributing humans.

                    I don't know what you're talking about.

                    Yes, fairness is all I ask.

                    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                    You are basically asking for equal treatment

                    The opposite of this.

                    Per the title: "Ban /u/socks and ...."

                    (It's bullying and a kind of political cleansing, aka politicide; it's not equal treatment.)

                    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                    BULLSHIT. By selectively editing the title's question into a statement rather than a question, you spin more lies again, as always crying /s/Victimhood. Oi vey. More inauthentic spin. But that is besides the point.

                    Your perpetual lies, authoritarianism, misinfo, and big pharma shilling are prolific poisons intentionally disrupting SaidIt - but that's secondary and my post failed to clearly distinguish your political infiltrator trolling bullshit from the real issue at hand that will actually get you banned:

                    We need to deal with your ongoing RULE BREAKING.

                    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                    Fact is - I'm not breaking any rules, with the potential (arguable) exception of 2 strikes, recently. You're using that false argument as disinformation propaganda to brigade others into harrassing, bullying, and banning others. You've repeatedly violated rules 1 and 4, and will continue to do so, while pointing at users and telling them that they are violating rule 1, as if you're the SJW here to cleanse Saidit of undesirables (something you've explicitly admitted, to 'cleanup' Saidit). It's pushed people away from Saidit (including me), so you are achieving your goals. But this narcissism (constantintly drawing attention to yourself at all costs) isn't helping Saidit. It's also evil, and the opposite of Saidit's purpose and mission.

                    [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                    Well said! That's exactly what he's doing. I always get a kick out of people who break saidit's rules and then go on to accuse others of breaking the very same rules they're breaking.

                    Shalom

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                    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                    [–]Optimus85 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

                    They're so pathetic that they're not worth wasting time over.

                    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

                    Agreed. This is my last effort to help maintain a modicum of decency on SaidIt.

                    [–]Optimus85 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

                    I don't mind shining a light on them and exposing them for the disingenuous frauds they are every once in a while.

                    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                    That's still a lot of potentially unnecessary effort when we haven't even tried the simple solution.

                    It's like inventing a vaccine and ignoring Ivermectin.

                    [–]Optimus85 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                    Like ILYNFO said, shunning them might be the best option.

                    [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

                    They do give saidit.net a rancid smell. They are pretty extreme cases of which examples should perhaps be made. If we look to preserve saidit's health, I think these rule breakers should be removed.

                    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                    This is the only sensible thing to do with obvious trolls. They did it with the Ironleft, no problem.

                    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                    I found Ironleft to be a hoot.

                    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                    I did as well, at first. I thought they might be playacting at being commies to show how silly it all is.

                    [–]zyxzevn 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                    They are breaking the Pyramid of discussion all the time, and are clearly here to disturb the discussions.

                    [–]astronautrob 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

                    Not this shit again good lord, are y'all fucking serious? No one should be banned, period. This fake drama shit is annoying as hell people come on. If you have a problem with a user block them, or maybe put a post limit or w.e but this talk of banning is fucking stupid. People should allowed to post what they want here. Whether it's stupid, inane, WHATEVER, it doesn't matter when we start banning one side for some things then the same can be done to the other. We've already been through this fake saidit drama bullshit, idk why this keeps coming up. I feel like you guys have a inability to just stop interacting with people and instead want them banned or w.e. Just fucking grow up jeez. Banning = censorship, period. And at that point we are no better than Reddit. Just stop this stupid shit guys and grow up

                    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

                    when we start banning one side for some things then the same can be done to the other.

                    It's not about Left or Right or banning viewpoints. It was my mistake to not make it more clear in the OP.

                    It's about CONSTANTLY BREAKING THE RULES WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE.

                    Banning = censorship, period.

                    Not if they are breaking the rules.

                    [–]astronautrob 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                    Are you really going to say that if someone breaks a rule then banning them from a platform, or anything at all, is not the same as censorship? So if you break rules on YouTube or Reddit or any other platform and they ban you, do you not consider that censorship? I really would like to know where you stand on this. If it is a yes and you do think platforms should have the ability to censor people if they break a rule does the same apply for everyday life in your belief? People who break societal rules, should they be banned from society (so to speak)? I'm not trying to troll here I would like to know your belief on this. This is what is happening in our society today, people wanting other people "banned" from society for not following the rules, a.k.a not getting the shot, not wearing a mask, etc. These are rules that are set or being set, should it be ok for people to be ostracized or banned from society because they didn't follow those rules? I'm in no way saying it's left or right, when I say the other side I'm not speaking in political terms I'm speaking strictly in a one side versus the other side no matter the context. What you do to the one side can be done to both, that's all I'm saying. So if we start banning people because they are "breaking the rules", instead of taking another avenue, then what happens when someone takes over saidit and makes new rules? The precedent is already set that we ban people who don't follow the rules. That precedent will stay even if the rules change. You see what I'm saying? Censorship is never the answer no matter the reasoning.

                    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                    FOTPACH : fair, open, transparent, peaceful, accountable, consistent, honest.

                    That legitimizes leaders and is what I want in all positions of authority, from government to social media management to whatever.

                    SaidIt has pretty clear policies and at least d3rr will explain (M7 wouldn't) his discipline = FOTPACH.

                    YouTube and Reddit do not only have ambiguous rules, they are not consistent, accountable, nor honest, much less the rest of it, and don't explain anything = censorship.

                    People who break societal rules, should they be banned from society (so to speak)?

                    This is exceptionally complicated and moot. Who writes the rules? Do these people actually represent the people? All elections are rigged in close to 50 ways. Are there flexible accommodations for minority viewpoints? Etc etc etc.

                    When the government wants to jab you with their mandatory experimental injection because of the rules, what will you say? When they let off a serial killer on a technicality because of the rules, what will you say?

                    Rules are only as good as those who write them, follow them, maintain them, and the logic, motives, and efficacy within them.

                    Moot.

                    So if we start banning people because they are "breaking the rules", instead of taking another avenue, then what happens when someone takes over saidit and makes new rules?

                    Why do you want to be so flexible for proven liars and shills who are always dragging down discussions and name-calling?

                    Who's going to take over SaidIt? Who's going to make new rules? You're not making sense and putting up strawmen.

                    You see what I'm saying? Censorship is never the answer no matter the reasoning.

                    No, I don't. You're confusing forum hygiene by clearing out the trash with censorship.

                    How do you propose we save SaidIt when A.I. can emulate STABs and/or CIA/Mossad hires dozens, hundreds, or thousands of cheap stupid STABs to overwhelm the authentic voices here simply truth-seeking and free-thinking?

                    [–]astronautrob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                    The idea that Saidit needs to be "saved" is not something I subscribe to so I can't answer that question. Saidit seems fine to me. The front page is relatively clean, diverse sub-saidits represented, not a lot of stuff I'd consider straight up spam, w.e, etc. It's certainly a lot better than it was a couple months ago when it seemed like other people where in charge (Ironleft gang or w.e). I mean weren't they trying to ban you or someone else for the same things? Granted they maybe didn't change the rules (Idk I didn't pay that much attention) but they seemed to reinterpret the rules so they could ban people because they were "breaking the rules". So it's funny that you try to discredit the idea of someone taking over saidit, because that's pretty much exactly what happened in that situation. Maybe it wasn't that overt but one group did get a lot of sway here on saidit, isn't that right? I mean come on that happened don't try and act like it's crazy to suggest it happening again and even on a bigger scale. It's not about being flexible for anyone, it's about enforcing censorship for any reason at all. I don't support censorship, or rules that try and enforce censorship, w.e you want to say. You can say I'm confusing censorship with any Orwellian term you like, but again that's just semantics. Banning = censorship, period.

                    You think socks is A.I.? Or some paid shill from some three letter company? Maybe, but it also might be that it's a person who leads a sad and boring life while getting dopamine hits from arguing with people on a semi (maybe?) popular website and if y'all didn't engage him/her, they would have nothing to do. The fact that you don't have the self control to just not engage with an individual is childish. Trying to use an excuse like the block feature doesn't work, or is "incomplete", is silly. You have the ability to ignore someone if you want, it just takes a little self control.

                    [–]Tiwaking 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                    Socks is a constant reminder that the oppressive liberal media elitist superstate is tirelessly watching with its unceasing, uncompromising, corporate gaze.

                    [–]grassfed 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                    If we continue stick together with Jason they can't do us any harm. Watch out from u/nemacolin too

                    [–]mahavishnunj 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

                    why did you make a new thread that doesnt have my totally relevant comment in it?

                    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (17 children)

                    Sorry about that. I was having trouble with the thumbnail. Since there were no votes and not comments I re-posted it assuming no one noticed the post yet. It was not intentional.

                    I see that you said this:

                    banning anyone is the height of pussy behavior.

                    A valid view that I also share. However, /u/ActuallyNot and /u/socks are not just anyone. They're proven asstrolls here to disrupt SaidIt, while lying and spreading authoritarian misinformation.

                    Before you claim I'm intolerant of all asstrolls and want them all banned feel free to look at my interaction earlier today. Like the other two who are much worse, /u/Popper occasionally has some good things to say, though I often throw up a little when I digest /u/Popper's bullshit too. Today's /u/Popper incident was different than I've ever seen as he/she/it/them decided to go full-on asstroll forcing me to make my first moderator ban ever. Our /s/StandUpWindsor community sub is about resisting tyranny in Windsor, Ontario, Canada where I'm quite certain /u/Popper doesn't live. I gave the asstroll many opportunities to apologize for insulting my local community, and me, in front of them, whom I'm trying to entice to SaidIt away from Facebook. Not a good look for SaidIt via the bullshit of Popper.

                    Yet, in short, I haven't called for /u/Popper to be banned from SaidIt - so far, if ever.

                    Do not ask me why they're all acting crazy today. Maybe they all got a Mossad memo to up the timesuckage and chaos.

                    Rule #1 : "If a person is caught repeatedly dragging discussion in a downward direction on the Pyramid of Debate, they will be removed."

                    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

                    never censor

                    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

                    What about the trolls who say "nigger nigger nigger faggot faggot faggot kike kike kike" all over the place?

                    Let them roam free?

                    How do you recommend we enforce Rule #1?

                    [–][deleted]  (3 children)

                    [deleted]

                      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                      So, fill the boards up with more timesuck jokes?

                      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Not that I can understand all of this, but it's brilliant.

                      [–]Tiwaking 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

                      Censorship is one issue you and I will always agree on

                      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

                      It's about the rule breaking, not censorship. It's my fault I wasn't clearer. The fact that they spew poison is bonus if they get removed.

                      [–]Tiwaking 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      Oh Im sorry Jason, I was just replying to Popper that not censoring people is one thing we can agree on. The socks situation isnt censorship, its habitual rule breaking. Rule breaking gets you put in jail, but habitual rule breaking should get you removed.

                      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                      Oh you are clear. People are just unable to understand anything outside of their own preconceived ideas.

                      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      I thought I was, but I shouldn't have brought up their lies and shilling agendas. People get confused easily and understandably defensive about censorship. Sometimes less is more, and I tend to be too verbose for clarity - but it muddied the water.

                      [–]Tiwaking 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

                      Popper has always been a scumbag. I mentioned it a long time ago: https://saidit.net/s/news/comments/1qxr/did_greta_thunberg_lie_about_riding_overcrowded/

                      [–]Tiwaking {To /u/black_hole_son who is a user I do not like} 1 year ago You and I may not see eye to eye on a lot of things.

                      But we can both agree.

                      That Popper and bald-janitor are scumbags.

                      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      Many folks on SaidIt are Jekyll & Hyde like them. Popper leans left and BJ leans right, so far as I'm aware. I'd never had a problem with either until that shit.

                      [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                      Welcome back snow, and don't be mean to bald-janitor

                      [–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                      Im not snow silly. Snow left and isnt coming back.

                      [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      Good, he can kick rocks together with bald-janitor

                      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      Today's /u/Popper incident

                      Ngl, that made me chuckle. That's the problem with popplers.

                      [–]Ehhhhhh 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                      Because it didn't support the narrative?

                      [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                      If you want further evidence that they are liars, shills, and problematic disruptive forces in our community

                      I can support this. They are very likely to be paid social media influencers. Get them out of here. They routinely break the few rules we have and are not here to contribute anything.

                      [–]Questionable 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

                      NO. And I refuse to look into 'the drama.' Please feel free to use the report button if you wish. Though I encourage you to use your clear abilities for articulating your points of view in debate instead.

                      Ĥ̅͛ǝ̮̺͕̲̰llo ʍoɹlp' I,m Qnǝsʇᴉouɐqlǝ.̬̘̟ͅ

                      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

                      I have reported, collected evidence of rule-breaking, and now d3rr won't do anything.

                      So you like rule-breaking then? If they can do it everyone will start to.

                      [–]Questionable 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                      I don't like echo chambers based on exclusion, and bans. There are many people I would outright ban if it weren't for my awareness of this slippery slope that leads to.... The creation of current day Reddit.

                      Ĥ̅͛ǝ̮̺͕̲̰llo ʍoɹlp' I,m Qnǝsʇᴉouɐqlǝ.̬̘̟ͅ

                      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      It's not about echo chambers. It's about civil discourse. They are rule breakers. I'd be after them if they were right or centrist or even voluntaryists that broke the rules with downward shit and name-calling.

                      The fact that they are proven liars, authoritarians, and big pharma shills is a bonus if they get banned for disrupting SaidIt by not obeying rules.

                      [–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      IMO, too much liberalism can destroy the site just as much as too much authoritarianism. I think Saidit itself is too liberal, but still better than most sites out there. I don't see anything wrong with certain subs enforcing their own rules as long as they keep things limited to their own sub, but it can't get to the point of downright degeneracy. Ultimately, someone would have to force their authority in order to keep the site running. It's a shame Magnora is not here with us and may not really come back.

                      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                      That spells the end of any site, when the rules are not being enforced. This is the most dire consequence of this type of inaction: for evil to triumph...

                      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      Hope is not lost. socks now has 2 strikes.

                      [–][deleted]  (13 children)

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                        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

                        Don't be an inauthentic asstroll. You fucking know damn well they don't allow our kinds of echo chambers there. Furthermore, it's not about the echo chamber. Sure we definitely need more authentic left here, and the SJWs are insane so I can't say we need any of them. But those two, as I stated clearly, are beyond just being inauthentic asstrolls - they're liars, perpetual rule-breakers, and disruptive agents on SaidIt.

                        What changed today is that d3rr said he wasn't going to deal with rule-breakers.

                        [–]Zapped 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

                        The problem is that the rules here can be arbitrary. I have refrained from commenting because so many have already put into words, better than me, how I feel about the matter. Is one comment calling someone a name breaking the rules? What about calling someone a name while making an argument? What about using "debate" to work users into a frenzy? I think we each have a responsibility to discriminate which comments are genuine and which are from shills or trolls; whether for fun or profit. As u/Basghetti touched on: if you can prove they are actively trying to wreck the site and shutter discussion here, then that would be an open-and-shut case for banning, in my opinion.

                        How I deal with users I think are bad actors or have a mental issue? I don't block them. I glance over their comments and don't give them much credence. The replies to those comments can be more insightful on how others react. Truth be told, it frustrates me sometimes how worked up you can get in those conversations. I think you waste energy you can use elsewhere. There are some pertinent quotes about arguing on this link: https://celebrateyoga.org/41-quotes-arguing-idiots/

                        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                        What you say is true.

                        It's easy enough to show that both socks and ActuallyNot are shills, trolls, and exceptionally disruptive.

                        how worked up you can get in those conversations

                        I don't understand why people say that. I'm just verbose for clarity or creativity plus I have strong convictions.

                        Yes, my energy will be utilized elsewhere after this last post on this shit.

                        If SaidIt flounders you can't say I didn't try.

                        [–]Zapped 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                        I think you try harder than most. You see the big picture. Don't let that get lost in the details. Culture is a group effort and those who spend time and energy being sidetracked by outliers, are often spent before they complete the journey. Don't let the pursuit of perfection take you on a side quest, for it is never ending.

                        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                        Sage advice.

                        I'm not worn down yet.

                        I've only engaged them in prime opportune moments with purpose, and they consistently provide ample evidence of rule-breaking as they timesuck.

                        Because I'm trying to be more productive and solutions oriented, I'll be shifting away from SaidIt for a while, but never too far.

                        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                        Wait, why do we "need more left"? Why not accept the population of the site as it is, minus the rule-breakers?

                        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                        I accept it.

                        You are correct that we don't "need more left" (not insane SJWs) it but many of us "want" it for more balance which would also appeal to more people. Originally SaidIt was "AntiExtremes.com" IIRC. I myself lean more left than right - BUT - the old-Left progressive type that is no longer represented in legacy media - like Jimmy Dore, etc. Even the old-Left is less appealing because of their involuntary association with the insane SJW Left, the Fake Progressives, and of course your average Democrat Left in the shifting Overton window. Of course, ultimately I'm more centrist voluntaryist than anything so maybe I should simply stop saying I lean left because I'm a full on anti-authoritarian.

                        And yes, ditch the always downward (very subjective) and name-calling rule-breakers.

                        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

                        only bullies call people names Jason <deleted comment>

                        FYI: Socks and ActuallyNot call people names, so you're defending bullies, chucklehead.

                        So give me a break, snowflake. Haven't you heard? Rules are only for civil discourse and SaidIt will now become the new Voat 3.0, so suck on my snowballs before they melt because this place is going to hell in a handbasket. Too bad the basket is only fire-resistant and won't protect us much. It's already showing signs of smoking, and not the good stuff. But whatever, this is fine.

                        [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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                          [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                          you create more drama than anybody else here

                          More than socks and ActuallyNot? I doubt it.

                          Your hypocrisy is extremely ironic, picking a fight while shitting on drama. I bet you can't even see it.

                          stop acting like a child and learn to play nicely with others

                          So you're leading by example with an accusatory comment that lacks punctuation?

                          Reflect and grow up.

                          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                            well you're not acting like an adult so what other options are there

                            "I know you are but what am I? I'm a mirror, everything you say bounces off me and back on you."

                            That's not the kind of reflection I was talking about, but now I guess I suspect you're incapable of self-reflection.

                            [–]chadwickofwv 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

                            No, that would go directly against the principals of free speech which I hold dear. While I regard both of them as worthless shit stains, they are due the same rights as me. They may hate freedom, but no man has the right to silence their worthless ideas.

                            [–]Node 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                            they are due the same rights as me.

                            How did you arrive at the belief that your value is equal to a troll and liar? That's a pretty harsh self-assessment.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                            against the principals of free speech which I hold dear.

                            I do too.

                            You've completely missed the point. That is my own fault, dwelling on their agendas too much in the OP.

                            The ultimate point is that they perpetually break the rules while serving their disruptive agendas.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

                            /u/d3rr

                            The problem is back.

                            If I hadn't looked at the comments under this post I wouldn't have known about most of them as they didn't show up in my https://saidit.net/message/unread/ as they typically used to do.

                            Tomorrow I can go back over the last week to see if I missed other comments under posts. I wouldn't know how to find missed response comments.

                            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

                            But do they show here? https://saidit.net/message/inbox/ You should have 5 top level comments from this post there.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                            None show up, however, I responded to most of the comments under that post, and the 2 responses to my responses showed up. 1 + 2

                            Plus your response that this comment is responding to.

                            [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                            On your post, what does the link I show in red say? disable or enable?

                            https://i.imgur.com/7WfswoT.png

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                            I didn't change anything. Just took the screengrab: https://i.imgur.com/qk5BzIf.png

                            Also, same story with the new comments not showing up in my messages unless they're responses to me.

                            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                            It's you! When you make a new post, there is a checkbox to enable replies. make sure this is checked. it remembers its last state.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                            Thanks, though I don't see where. I guess I accidentally unchecked it at some point? Is there a way to find out when this happened? Is it only in one sub or all of them?

                            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                            search for "send replies to my inbox" on the submit a new link/text post page. this is between you and the site, no sub settings are involved.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            It worked. I got Horrux's comment.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            It seems I must have accidentally unchecked the box 20 days ago. Didn't miss anything too substantial.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            Thanks. I don't know how long that's been going on. Damn.

                            [–]ShalomEveryone 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

                            I thought saidit was about free speech and open discussion? Someone has an opinion that's not popular we get posts from people with thin skin calling for someone to be banned.

                            Shalom

                            ✡️️

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

                            SaidIt has never been an unbridled chaotic cesspool of "free speech". SaidIt is for truth-seeking and free-thinking with goals of maintaining better discourse than elsewhere.

                            You have some good comments, but most often I very much disagree with. You are frustrating and even piss me off at times in your absurd ignorance, intentional or otherwise. However, you are not perpetually breaking the rules and dragging conversation downward - and thus I won't ever call for you to be banned (unless that changes).

                            [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                            SaidIt is for truth-seeking and free-thinking with goals of maintaining better discourse than elsewhere.

                            Truth seeking!?!? lol!

                            You have some good comments, but most often I very much disagree with.

                            That's fine, that's what saidit is supposed to be about.

                            you are not perpetually breaking the rules and dragging conversation downward

                            Because you disagree with me I break the rules and drag conversation downward?

                            Shalom

                            ✡️️

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                            you are not perpetually breaking the rules and dragging conversation downward - and thus I won't ever call for you to be banned (unless that changes).

                            Because you disagree with me I break the rules and drag conversation downward?

                            Are you being daft on purpose? You directly quoted me, selectively, then you misunderstand me. Read it again and stop shit disturbing.

                            [–]yoke 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                            i think post limit matters.

                            also that dragging ppl down from the pyramid of debate poisons the whole forum. yeah.

                            well on the other hand, after looking into their most popular posts / comments, i felt socks is just your average genuine anti-semite. and actuallynot has some strong views but is generally not very popular (did not receive many votes.) in other words, both of them have some genuine opinion to express.

                            [–]Choclate1893Pepsi 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                            Socks needs a post limit, but ActuallyNot should be flat-out banned. I've been looking at both of their accounts just now, and that is my final take on this matter.

                            [–]wendolynne 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                            Keep them around, and stop attacking them. Y'all need to learn how to respect people who are different from yourselves.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                            You don't seem to understand that they attack our community. They shit all over the comments and drag discussions downward while sealioning and most importantly, they repeatedly break the rules.

                            The problem is not difference of opinions. There's no shortage of that everywhere. The problem is that the rules keep this place reasonably civil. If they can get away with murder, what's to stop everyone else?

                            [–]Tiwaking 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

                            Hello old friend! Im against banning people. However, even a casual scan of Socks post history shows that their posts consist of arguments derived from mainstream sources. A closer investigation shows a continued history of sealioning and bad faith arguments. Of the 34 or so people in this thread, about 4 of them are 100% anti-censorship (no to bans). A few people (very reputable people I might add) do want bans, but everyone would be happy to see these two blocked instead.

                            ...but yes if we followed Saidits rules process then they probably should be banned. As for any of the alternate accounts, they'd be extremely easy to spot because [b]their rigid dogmatic opinions stand out in a sea of free thinkers[/b]

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

                            sealioning

                            TIL. Fanfuckingtastic! A perfect term to describe MANY of the trolls on SaidIt.

                            What to know: Sealioning is a harassment tactic by which a participant in a debate or online discussion pesters the other participant with disingenuous questions under the guise of sincerity, hoping to erode the patience or goodwill of the target to the point where they appear unreasonable. Often, sealioning involved asking for evidence for even basic claims.

                            The origin of the term.

                            Thanks for the stats. I'm not sure how accurate they really are, because I fucked up and my OP failed to clearly separate my disdain of their poison pens from their ban-worthy repetitive rule-breaking. (I'm also against banning people with opinions, good and bad.)

                            [–]Tiwaking 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

                            Just from their posts in the Politics forum you can clearly see that they continually use this tactic: Always asking questions and using mainstream sources for their defence, their unwavering defence of President Dementia, Joe Biden - its naive at best and deliberately insincere and misleading at worse.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                            Indeed.

                            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                            You're making a false argument that's based on the removal of comments from their contexts. Moreover, sealioning doesn't apply - especially on Saidit - where there are only 20 active users in /s/Politics, and 5 of them want to respond to everything I write, and I respond to them. I've not previously seen your username, and it's apparent that you don't know what you're arguing about.

                            [–]Tiwaking 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                            Lie number 1: "I've not previously seen your username" https://saidit.net/s/USPolitics/comments/20aj/who_voted_for_her_she_is_retarded/ Airbus320 2 insightful - 1 fun - 7 months ago u/socks! [–]socks 1 insightful - 1 fun - 7 months ago I wonder why this OP left Saidit, or changed the username. There are some on Saidit who'd happily lick his winky.

                            Lie number 2: "it's apparent that you don't know what you're arguing about" /u/JasonCarswell can you present the mountain of evidence against /u/socks please?

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                            Moreover, sealioning doesn't apply - especially on Saidit

                            IFIFY:
                            Moreover, sealioning is abundant on Saidit, especially.

                            Arguing with socks is pointless. No amount of evidence is enough. No one hangs out where they are not welcome unless they're there with a purpose. He's intentionally pretending to not understand. That's how they are effective at disruption and pissing people off. Don't take the bait, don't bother responding unless you're speaking to everyone else reading it.

                            After all this cools down, next week we'll start some lists and other community projects that may or may not help.

                            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            1) I'm supposed to remember a post of yours from 7 months ago? And do you look at the username when you read a post? (Most of us look mainly at the post, not who posted it.) (Irrelevant)

                            2) You don't

                            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

                            lol

                            12 hours ago, I defended another user by telling you:

                            Don't try to ban someone because he/she disagrees with you or others.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (27 children)

                            You inauthentic asstroll, for the umpteenth time, it's not about disagreeing with you as a PROVEN LIAR, AUTHORITARIAN, and BIG PHARMA SHILL, it's also that you are a PROBLEMATIC DISRUPTIVE AGENT PERPETUALLY BREAKING THE FEW RULES of SaidIt.

                            THIS is a perfect example of how, as I'd stated, " They will of course cry /s/Victimhood, distort, spin, lie, deflect, and delay in all manner of ways. "

                            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (26 children)

                            Strike 1 for name calling. I'm sorry if you don't understand the rules here, but I'm done trying to explain them to you.

                            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (22 children)

                            You know if you give Jason strikes for acting retarded that just places a ticking clock on his time here cause it's not like he is going to suddenly act like a normal human being.

                            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

                            If him and socks continue to flaunt the rules for forever, then I'm the retard. They can come back under new accounts if they choose to do so.

                            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

                            That's one way of looking at it. Instead consider you're the primary internet caregiver of a bunch of retarded babies. You can warn us not to be retarded but we can only do so much with all these naked women, piles of cocaine, and boxes of the finest wine in our parent's basement.

                            I think the only reason to ban someone is that they're a clear and present danger to the well being of the site. Skeeter's insane trolling efforts come to mind, although really, if his goal was to hurt the site, I think he actually brings people in. He may be a train wreck, but people love train wrecks.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (18 children)

                            LOL.
                            Normalcy is for normies.
                            Fringe should have been my middle name - but my parents were normies.

                            [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

                            Yeah I agree with you there. I would like to see no bans. This was done to me every goddamned week on reddit, calls for my ban. It worked eventually.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (14 children)

                            Were you breaking the rules?

                            [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

                            There weren't many rules to break. A few people just wanted me gone. This seems very similar.

                            I wanted to suggest a duel instead, Jas vs. Socko, but there's that pesky no advocating violence rule.

                            [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

                            Did you straight up ignore, mock, and belittle the users of Reddit? Did you time and time again make little lies then disappear once someone started calling you out on them?

                            If so, then no wonder they wanted you gone. If not, then your case is nothing like this one.

                            [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

                            Did I do that here?

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

                            And the anonymity of socks and the people steering that account, possibly unfairly armed secret agency or military assets.

                            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

                            I don't see what you see. Seems like one guy writing to me. There should be a way to test that if u/Socks consents. Why don't y'all just yell at each other over the phone for once, that'd go a long way to verifying an actual human being, wouldn't it. Also the idea seems hilarious, maybe record yourselves for our benefit.

                            [–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun - 1 month ago And the anonymity of socks and the people steering that account, possibly unfairly armed secret agency or military assets.

                            Just do what I do: Assume it is Hilary Clinton and respond accordingly.

                            [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                            I like talking to socks, as a personal favor would you stop flirting with them so hard, it's making me jealous.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                            I like talking to socks, as a personal favor would you stop flirting with them so hard, it's making me jealous.

                            Put it away, zip up, and put your shoes back on, then go get a room. The produce section of a crowded grocery store is not the place to indulge your stocking fetish.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                            Get the fuck out!?

                            I gave you a bunch of examples of ActuallyNot and Socks name-calling and you did NOTHING!

                            I intentionally name-called (it's not my normal modus operandi) to see if you'd actually do anything.

                            Your selective enforcement of the rules is getting ridiculously suspicious.

                            [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                            I told you like a week ago that I gave socks a strike. He got another one within the last 3 days too, unrelated to interactions with you.

                            You and actuallynot going back and forth for 10 pages was a heated debate full of both actual arguments and rule breaking insults. Aka not clear rule breaking behavior.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                            Thanks for explaining. I still disagree.

                            [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            Prefer ban but blocking works too

                            [–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                            For what it's worth: I see on Saidit that many here are upset about 'brigading' on Reddit, where 'brigading' was seemingly invented. Some users are here because they were victims of Reddit brigading, bullying, censorship, bans, mod abuse, admin abuse, &c, &c. I've not thought much about it, and I could be wrong, but there are several users here in the thread who appeaar to be brigading (and the post is itself a request to brigade).

                            BTW: I am grateful to those who've discussed censorship in the present thread.

                            [–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                            BULLSHIT.

                            This post is about how YOU PERPETUALLY BREAK THE RULES WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES.

                            This is NOT about CENSORSHIP.

                            The fact that you are a proven liar, authoritarian, and big pharma shill is secondary.

                            If we can kill two birds with one stone, terrific.

                            You are using censorship victimhood as a shield for your rule breaking, lucky for you.

                            It's my fault my post wasn't more clear about this.

                            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            They're just comments...