Why do alt news sites use Disqus a very VERY ultra left platform?

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It makes the alt right news sites look like total hypocrites and I am wondering what/whom is actually controlling them since disucssion is not only not allowed but you get shadowbanned when you say no no words.

This isn't limited to Breitbart either BTW if that's what your thinking but Breitbart is safe to say just playing on people's emotions WITHOUT any real articles. They are all designed to make you feel 'enraged' at some parenthood right being stripped at some crappy town or school.

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[–]fatman 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (22 children)

The soft power of Cloudflare... if those sites use Disqus they will be allowed to operate freely... if they don't use Disqus and allow unrestricted comments, they will be removed from the general internet and have their DNS records and SSL certificates revoked. After they get to a certain size and notoriety.

[–]magnora7 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Saidit started getting massively DDOSed every single day as soon as we reached above rank 200,000 or so on alexa.com site ranking

[–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Shouldn't Saidit be hosted on I2P then with the clients working with local caches to keep the latency down?

DDOS defence is expensive. Hosting on I2P can be done by every schmuck.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

We already have free anti-DDOS

[–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

If it depends on an external company, it's not free. It just might not have a monetary cost.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Running in-house anti-DDOS is not possible unless you have at least $100k+ in servers and a very expensive internet connection

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

On the web, but on I2P you can do that.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't have visibility there.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think there is anything wrong with a web-presence too for marketing purposes, but the web-presence should at most be something that could be given up at a moment's notice, because it can be taken away by any government whenever they want.

The rules on saidit say they abide by US rules, which means that long term this can't ever remain a place for free speech.

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

F-droid is censoring apps that allow free speech and even encourages hardcoded IP blocks.

[–]BravoVictor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also pragmatism. People who run news sites, especially the smaller ones, don't want to deal with implementing or moderating comments. So "off-shoring" it to a service like Disqus saves them a ton of time and money.

[–]Kuasocto 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

if they don't use Disqus and allow unrestricted comments, they will be removed from the general internet and have their DNS records and SSL certificates revoked. After they get to a certain size and notoriety.

really? Doesn't 4chan allow pretty much everything and is still up and even easy to see on search engines?

[–]fatman 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

really? Doesn't 4chan allow pretty much everything and is still up and even easy to see on search engines?

Everything posted to 4chan is pre-filtered, analyzed heavily, and logged forever. It isn't the wild west anymore. They also delete comments and ban users all the time. Like Disqus.

Sites like 4chan are also a great candidate for implementing parts of the 'dead internet theory'. How do you know you aren't shouting into a void of bots reposting the things that other users posted while they were shouting into their own void of bots?

[–]Kuasocto 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Everything posted to 4chan is pre-filtered, analyzed heavily, and logged forever. It isn't the wild west anymore. They also delete comments and ban users all the time. Like Disqus.

do you even use the site? I dunno, maybe it depends on the board, but the ones I'm using let you see pretty much everything and I didn't notice many bans (mostly using /ic/).

Everything posted to 4chan is pre-filtered, analyzed heavily, and logged forever.

Also that's a pretty big claim, do you have anything to back it up?

Sites like 4chan are also a great candidate for implementing parts of the 'dead internet theory'. How do you know you aren't shouting into a void of bots reposting the things that other users posted while they were shouting into their own void of bots?

since I'm mostly using /ic/ it's pretty easy to tell. that board is rather slow and because it's all about artworks you can tell there's actual people with paper and graphics tablets behind those posts. Maybe /pol/ and /b/ are bot infested revenants, but I rarely use those.

[–]fatman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Also that's a pretty big claim, do you have anything to back it up?

You are stuck in Plato's cave. It's a minimal amount of effort to do these things for a massive payoff. It was done a long time ago. Every sizeable website does it. They can pick from hundreds of off-the-shelf software packages to do it for them, or they can do it with the standard tools from any Cloud Provider, or they could write the code themselves. Your lack of understanding does not limit them.

Not even getting into what they do on their backend, how about all the ad trackers that load by default when you browse 4chan?

[–]Kuasocto 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Again, anything at all to backup what you say? Some way to check... literally a single thing you said? I know that server side stuff is only known to the owners, but you say so much about so many things like its obvious knowledge... so it should have obvious proof.

[–]fatman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

>Not even getting into what they do on their backend, how about all the ad trackers that load by default when you browse 4chan?

[–]fatman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Why are you sucking an idealized form of 4chans dick so hard? Is it supposed to be your magic playground where nobody knows what happens?

[–]Kuasocto 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I just want any sources at all man. I can also make claims about anything in the world without anything to back them up. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying you've shown literally zero links.

[–]fatman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You don't have to believe it, now get back to posting about your centaur wife!

[–]Kuasocto 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I never understand why people get super defensive about not giving any links. It's as easy as saying "I don't care/can't be bothered, look up [X] yourself". But instead there's always this "why are you so negative, what's your problem" or more posts saying stuff without any link in sight.

[–]fschmidt 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (12 children)

For once I agree with ShalomEveryone. The alt-right are moronic scum who are incapable of writing usable software.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Then why to all the troons in programmer socks have swastikas on their walls?

[–]Velocity 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It is a leap of logic to assume that people coding platforms that may host right leaning content like Bitchute and Odysee are Western "Rightists". Anyone can post whatever ideology they want on these sites. From having experience in the coding space, I can with certainty tell you that it is very common for projects like the aforementioned ones to outsource the bulk of their coding to India, Philippines et cetera to save on cost.

[–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Is that really different? Anyone who understands software knows that outsourcing development to India or Philippines is a moronic idea. So this is just another approach of moronic modern scum.

[–]Velocity 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'd have to respectfully disagree. Being pragmatic is certainly a sign of intelligence and organizational ingenuity. If an alternative project is unable to secure unlimited funds from a VC firm like many mainstream projects do to make a "perfect product", then the developers are faced with either not creating the product or to instead cut costs by outsourcing. Thereby this will at least make for a "workable" product in the end. This "workable" product can then be used to create a source of income that will be able to provide for eventually refining the service using better workers.

[–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Do you have any experience with programming? Hiring one good programmer is much cheaper than hiring 100 mediocre programmers. MBA scum don't understand this. I hired 2 technical people for my business, both Russian. Programmers from most of the world are just worthless scum.

[–]Velocity 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hiring one good programmer is much cheaper than hiring 100 mediocre programmers

This is a little bit of hyperbole. But, I fundamentally understand your point. I fire 8 out of 10 programmers I hire.

If you are short on monetary capital and long on human capital, then you have to intelligently organize the usage of your resources by having run-of-the-mill workers do the bulk of run-of-the-mill work and gifted people do the more minor amount of important technical work. You are expending your extra human capital to manage and organize this type of circus in the place of not having adequate financial capital.

This is why major corporations routinely outsource. They're in it for the money and have already done the math. Outsourcing is ultimately more profitable than not. It doesn't make it "right", it just is as it is. An average worker does not equal incompetent. You have to match the worker to the work. There are numerous variables that affect this and is not a one size fits all solution.

Yet, if platforms like Bitchute can manage to intelligently bring a product to market without unlimited funding and eventually start becoming successful, it's not because they were dumb, worthless, scum morons as you often "imply" even if most their code was written by Indians.

There's some interesting psychological dynamics with you evidenced here that is a sub-text to your frequent "scum" descriptors. But, perhaps that's a conversation for another day.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

How much computing knowledge do you think the right possess? Are they all just phone idiots or is that even too much?

[–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think the issue is knowledge, the issue is stupidity and bad values. See my post Why Alt-Tech Sucks.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you sound rather stupid. You are suggesting that tech companies don't have people on the right of the spectrum on their staff, which could not be more wrong. It's just the leadership that virtue signals, but they are as right as you can find them. They are just lying all day long.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am part of the right, just not the idiotic right (like Trump). I can assure you that I can build a better social media for anyone with the funds. I could easily be the better equivalent of the ex-CEO of Twitter.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So making America great again is somehow being an idiot. Gotcha. Hope you enjoy the shit your puppet is throwing your way! Don't say I didn't warn you when life becomes too expensive for you!

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What puppet?

You also sound like a bot.

If you can't see that Trump is likely compromised by Russia, you must be lacking a few brain cells.

[–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Those on the right are not smart enough to build a popular platform. Tech companies are to the left because they're smarter. The only thing that's stopping the right and far right from building their own platforms is their limited technological ability.

Shalom

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[–]asterias 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Or maybe various Jewish agencies will step in to sabotage them.

[–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

lol, always some Jewish conspiracy to explain why some people are unsuccessful.

Shalom

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[–]Kuasocto 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's still up to you to be smart enough to know how to defend yourself. If you're attacked and you lose that means the attacker was better, simple as. Bitching about someone being "unfair" doesn't win conflicts, its true power and knowledge that wins. The lefties are winning because they ARE smarter. Doesn't mean they are smart in general, but that doesn't matter, all they need to be is smarter than the ones they're fighting. Which isn't a high bar.

So in short: learn how internet and technology works and how to defend what you care about. Otherwise you'll lose it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So it sounds like all those right wing posters bitching and moaning have lower brain cells then the ones they are fighting about which is pretty sad if that's the case?

[–]Kuasocto 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

More or less. They want a "free speech forum" but don't want to put in the effort into creating one that actually works well.

[–]carn0ld03 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete.”

  • Richard Buckminster Fuller