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[–]jet199 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Women don't get fetishes is often as men.

[–]HongKongPhooey[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Are you suggesting that all cases of transgender identity are driven by fetishizing (I'm not saying some aren't)? It seems like gender dysphoria is a well documented psychiatric condition that might also significantly contribute to the desire to transition. Id be interested to see some studies about the motivations behind this phenomena

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

[–]HongKongPhooey[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Not all. Around 90%.

Just thinking out loud here....

Lets say this correct, that 10% of these people are not fetishists, we would then expect the number of FTM to be roughly 1/10 rather than 1/3 the MTF...

UNLESS...some of these FTM are also fetishists, albeit in smaller numbers than the men. While I have obviously heard of autogynephiles, I have never heard of 'autophallophile' being a thing, do you think this is a phenomenon that exists in the FTMs as well, but is more rare, or is this not a thing at all?

[–]Chunkeeguy 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Believe me most FTM are indeed fetishists. Their fetish is trying to fuck gay men. The younger ones who make up so much of the online FTM crowd are KPop fans whose only hope of getting with their crushes is to become gay men. Luckily most of them will grow out of it before they can fund getting their boobies lopped off.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Or they go after gay men because there's no danger of them reciprocating.

Lots of teen girls are terrified of sex and men.

Being trans is a way of making themselves less of a target for attraction.

As a trans woman once said to me, men feel under-sexualised and women feel over-sexualised. Male troons often think transing will get them more objectified and female less.

[–]Chunkeeguy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thus the trancels of /r/transmaxxing

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lots of teen girls are terrified of sex and men.

They should be. Sex for young women can fuck their lives up. They need to wait until marriage. Every partner they have before marriage decrease their pair bonding ability with their husband and increases their chances of STD or out of wedlock pregnancy or sexual addiction.

[–]BlueFrost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Funny, if tragic, how the darker side-effects of the sexual revolution starting in the 1960s resulted in greater sexual repression for the average heterosexual young man.

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're not allowed to point out that women can have fetishes!

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It can't be that high. At least 95% of them must be college kids identifying as tumblr genders.

[–]yelgy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

source

[–]spacedolphin 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Chemicals in the water. High fructose corn syrup. Soy. These things have more of a feminizing effect. They don't sneek testosterone, ashwaganda, tribulus, horny goat weed into our food.

[–]HongKongPhooey[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes I think you are onto something here. There is estrogen in the water from birth control, and phytoestrogens in soy products as well. There are no comparable sources of environmental testosterone contamination that I am aware of.

This is the most plausible suggestion I have seen so far, thanks for sharing

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That would only make sense if trans males were in any way feminine.

Most are more like truck drivers in fancy dress.

There's no lady brain in there.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You might enjoy this two part series

https://www.bitchute.com/video/kJun6B0OnlwN/

[–]platonic1 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Men want to infiltrate women’s locker rooms more than women want to infiltrate men’s locker rooms.

[–]Kuasocto 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Whether conscious of that fact or not, being a man is much much harder and requires much more out of someone. Whereas being a woman comes preloaded with tons of protections, free stuff and lower expectations (which means a woman has to achieve less to get the same amount of respect as a man). Also there's a ton of contempt for men in western societies thanks to leftists. So some men who feel like they failed at life, who just want to have an easier life start thinking they could become a woman and... try to do that. Or that's just my theory, feel free to accept or dismiss it.

I think there also was some genetic factor but I can't remember anything about it.

[–]SerpensInferna 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

While I think your theory is right, women do not have life on easy mode.

I also think if you add in the easy access to extreme pornography and social isolation, lots of men don't have the ability to stop pressing that 'pleasure button' over and over again, and the feedback loop warps their minds - pornsick, if you will. There also has to be a certain lack of self-awareness, as the percentage of men that will ever pass is laughably low, so the reality is they will never actually be seen by anyone as women.

[–]Kuasocto 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

While I think your theory is right, women do not have life on easy mode.

Thinking in absolute terms? Maybe.

In relative terms compared to men? That's definitely easy mode.

I mean, just think about the age old "kill men, capture women" scenario that keeps happening to this day. Or you know "women and children first to the lifeboats". I know there's a very real reason for that, but I'd prefer if people actually acknowledged the fact that women DO have it easier.

[–]SerpensInferna 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Ahh yes, "capture women" so they can be rape slaves for the rest of their existence. Definitely easy mode.

Life often sucks. Men and women face different challenges. I don't think one is easier than the other.

[–]Kuasocto 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Ahh yes, "capture women" so they can be rape slaves for the rest of their existence. Definitely easy mode.

holy mother of cope

When you're dead its all over. As long as you're alive there's a chance of the situation improving. You CAN be save from slavery. You CAN'T be brought back to life.

[–]SerpensInferna 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Sometimes the stillness of death is preferable to the horrors of life.

[–]Kuasocto 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

stop this bullshit mental gymnastics that try to justify treating men worse than property.

[–]SerpensInferna 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Dude, you're kidding me, right?

Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Life sucks for everyone.

[–]Kuasocto 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

EvErYoNe HaS It RoUgH

so you've reached rock bottom of the "defending gynocentrism" crap

statistics mean nothing, all of world history means nothing, science and evolution mean nothing because "EvErYoNe HaS It RoUgH".

[–]SerpensInferna 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_suicide_in_Demmin

ROFL at "gynocentrism". Go touch some grass and read a history book.

[–]BlueFrost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the fact that most people don't want to acknowledge it is in itself a factor in why men are acting whatever way they do as a response to it.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

While I think your theory is right, women do not have life on easy mode.

It's more about that perception that they do. That probably is a part of it, regardless of whether it's accurate.

There also has to be a certain lack of self-awareness, as the percentage of men that will ever pass is laughably low, so the reality is they will never actually be seen by anyone as women.

I'm observing that lack of self-awareness. Someone said she passes for female most of the time, but when I later got to see a picture, it was so obvious that that can't be the case. I'm not sure if that's the norm, though. A lot of them fear getting ghosted after the other person sees their picture, so there's got to be some kind of awareness there.

[–]BlueFrost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Couldn't passing be relative too?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

99.9% of women can pass as men, another example of how life is easier for them. It's nature, because a lot more females are needed to have a lot of babies than males, which is the only thing it cares about. The world is truly evil, and everyone worships it.

[–]SerpensInferna 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

99.9% of women can pass as men,

What? No.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

With hormones. Even without them a good many can still look like younger men.

[–]BlueFrost 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Women can also voice-act characters of the opposite gender in animation. It is actually very common in the industry.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So to put it simply men are only half of what women are. I don't know who designed this universe but I'm growing more convinced by the day that it wasn't God, or anyone good.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's probably both. But someone with bad enough gender dysphoria wouldn't care about swapping to the harder social expectations. Which shouldn't exist in the first place.

[–]BlueFrost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I had thoughts about wanting to be the opposite gender myself, yet I never had genuine dysphoric condition or believed that I was really a woman trapped in the incorrect body. I acknowledge that is degenerate though. So just sue me.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not even convinced I'm the same kind of being as the rest of you so I don't know what to say about that.

[–]Mastermustard04 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Women are validated in society. They're practically the new nobility. Men aren't -- men are constantly slandered, shamed and attacked. It's not surprising at all to me that many lonely, deracinated men would sue for better treatment by converting to a higher caste within the critical theory framework.

[–]BlueFrost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think there might be some overlap with that and maybe because they think women are sexually attractive and want that for themselves.

[–]LarrySwinger2 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Very important subject. I think it's so difficult to be a man in this society that many men hope to find an escape when they live as a woman. You can't buy a house by yourself anymore but there needs to be a second income from a partner who isn't dependent on you. Because we aren't segregated, attractive women will get their dose of attention from men as a reminder that they can always switch partners. The law doesn't make it complicated either. If people are happy together, there's no need for any kind of infidelity, but things become tough sooner or later for most couples, and that's when the strength of their bond gets tested. Even if you get married, there's a 50% chance that it will end in divorce nowadays; it doesn't mean that much anymore. A separation can leave people traumatized. Not to mention all the men who can't find a partner to begin with and become hopeless. This also has to do with the emancipation of women, because they will usually go for someone with a higher income than themselves; this causes problems for men with low income. The dynamic just becomes completely different. This doesn't explain it for younger people who aren't running into these issues yet. But I do think that, in general, life is perceived as easier for women and despair drives men toward transition. Undoubtedly they romanticize it as well, and imagine that life as a mtf will be just like life as someone who was born a female. They notice that people have more sympathy for women and want that for themselves.

Perhaps I'm speculating a lot here, but these are my observations. I know a Youtuber who invested an unhealthy amount of hours in his channel, doing everything from planning the trips to writing to hiring a cameraman to editing, all while he was applying for jobs and burning through his savings. It never became profitable, he paid a lot of attention to negative comments to his videos, his father was disappointed in him, he had to quit his dream job of content creation for a shitty writing job, and he became quite depressed. I lost touch with him and wondered about him. I was afraid he'd get suicidal. Well, he's still alive. But when I heard about him years later, it turned out that he had transitioned to female. You would never expect it from him, as it didn't fit well with how you knew him from the channel. He was a rapper and he made a lot of sexist jokes even. Although there's always a deeper side to people which isn't apparent on the surface, I'll admit that. But still, I always had the impression that transitioning was escapism to him.

If my theory is correct, then the jewish influence is threefold. First, it's their propaganda that helped bring about female emancipation. Secondly, they control the banks and inflated the money to the point that you need two incomes to buy a house. And thirdly, they control the media and use it to push the transgender agenda more directly, disparaging all dissent.

Also, the current statistics may be a bit deceptive, because there's a big campaign going on to have little girls transition to male. The gap will diminish.

[–]HongKongPhooey[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Thanks for the really thoughtful reply Larry. I was hoping someone would propose a sociological theory, as I also believe that this is likely a major factor. I think your theory about the difficulty in succeeding in the male social role is very very plausible. I would point to Calhoun's mice study as supporting evidence that this might be a factor.

Without writing an essay here....Calhoun put a bunch of mice in a constructed area, and gave them unlimited food they didnt have to work for. He expected the population to explosively grow until the area was overcrowded. It didn't, the population grew until all the necessary social roles were filled (this wasn't very large, as the food was being airdropped in at several locations and they didnt have to organize much), and at this point some very strange things happened.

Many of the male mice started engaging in homosexual activity at this point, but they also formed maruading gangs, there were mice with anxiety that wouldnt come out of their cubbies, female mice that refused to care for their young or killed them.

Eventually the rats stopped reproducing, and they all died despite having plenty of food and shelter (This should absolutely alarm us)

It seems pretty clear that inability to attain a proper social role results in sexually deviant and societally dysfunctional behavior, not that different than what we see in society right now

Heres a link to the original study, its a fascinating read if anyone has interest in this subject

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/00359157730661P202

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thank you very much, I'll take a look at it.

On the surface (based on your summary), it seems to me that this doesn't completely parallel what we see in humans, because coddling men as they grow up makes them weak, rather than causing them to join gangs. The other points do seem like frightening parallels with ourselves.

[–]HongKongPhooey[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

On the surface (based on your summary), it seems to me that this doesn't completely parallel what we see in humans, because coddling men as they grow up makes them weak, rather than causing them to join gangs. The other points do seem like frightening parallels with ourselves.

Some of the males did become weak actually, he had a special name for this group 'the beautiful ones' or something because they were always grooming themselves and were quite fearful and weak, while others became very aggressive. The social collapse of the colony seems to bring about different behaviors in different mice, but all of them were dysfunctional.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I mean that the adverse - coddling leading to aggressive behaviour and gang forming - isn't observable in humans, at least to my knowledge. That reminds us that humans aren't mice, and that we should keep that in mind.

[–]HongKongPhooey[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean that the adverse - coddling leading to aggressive behaviour and gang forming - isn't observable in humans, at least to my knowledge. That reminds us that humans aren't mice, and that we should keep that in mind.

Ah, good point, had not thought of this, I've never heard of that leading to violence either. Definitely good that there are ways we respond to social situations differently than mice

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The world is evil for being made that way in the first place

[–]BlueFrost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Off-subject, but what is your opinion about misotheism?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well I certainly don't the the god/archon of this world mentioned in 2 Corinthians 4:4 and John 14:30.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a very thorough and insightful summary of the realities of gender theory.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You had me until the second-to-last paragraph.

[–]IkeConn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being queer is popular.

[–]yabbit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

most traps are incels

[–]raven9 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

My opinion on transgenderism.

When a young child realizes they are gay while they have always had to hear constant homophobic comments by their parents and friends, that child starts to wish they had been born the opposite sex because then their sexual orientation would be "normal' and they wouldn't be that thing their parents and friends hate so much.

Can you even imagine enduring an entire childhood like that? It's no wonder they convince themselves they need to change sex even if they don't realize as an adult that childhood depression caused by homophobic friends and family was where it originated.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can see that happening, but it doesn't explain the people who would be doing just as poorly stranded alone because their bodies cause them discomfort and their mind doesn't function properly and their hormones make them feel awful.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The vast majority of males who are trans aka "transwomen" are heterosexual, though - meaning attracted to women/girls. And they develop their opposite sex identity in adolescence or adulthood.

Yes, a majority (about two-thirds) of persons who develop sex/gender distress in childhood prior to puberty of adolescence will grow up to be same-sex attracted (gay, lesbian or bisexual). However, most people who have sex/gender dysphoria in childhood before puberty outgrow it in the course of going through adolescence. The exact numbers vary depending on the study, but all the longterm studies that followed people from childhood into adulthood have found that the majority - 73% to more than 92% - desist from having dysphoria as they mature physically, emotionally, cognitively and sexually. Out of every 10 kids who want to be the opposite sex as young children, most will have lost that desire by their mid or late teens - and only 1 or 2 will carry that desire into their 20s. Those who persist in their 20s often outgrow it after their brains have reached full development at 25 or so.

Gender dysphoria that develops in adolescence or adulthood, however, is entirely different to GD that develops in childhood before puberty - and in looking at later-onset GD, patients/people affected have to be divided into two distinct groups by biological sex. Males who develop gender dysphoria during or after puberty and in adulthood do so for very different reasons than females who develop gender dysphoria at the same ages and developmental stages. In fact, "gender dysphoria" in the two sexes is a completely different phenomenon.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The transgender people I know are all gay. Both male and female. The female ones took on the male role in their relationships with other women.. so they had short hair, usually wore loose male style clothing and boots and worked in predominantly male environments like landscaping and construction.

[–]proc0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I think something interesting to note if you look at other animals, is how the females in most species are just a slightly different version of the male. Even early humans show male and female as very close in appearance, despite the difference in physical abilities. This means modern humans selected for feminine females, and this created the appearance gap that exists today.

So why more TW than TM? Because males are the default "template", and it's easier to transform into something feminine, than the other way around. One proof of this is how you see TW competing against women in sports, including MMA, however we don't see the opposite... TM would get utterly destroyed if they compete with men. The same is true with just appearance, it's harder to add to your bone structure and look masculine, than add some padding for boobs/ass and then slap some makeup on.

[–]HongKongPhooey[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Because males are the default "template"

There is no biological basis to support this claim. Many biologists believe female is the default, but some believe there isnt any default sex at all. There is literally zero scientific literature making the claim that male is the default sex

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpls.2020.01162/full

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4470128/#:~:text=Geneticists%20have%20discovered%20that%20all,maternal%20estrogens%20and%20maleness%20develops.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222286/

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2017/09/21/embryos-arent-female-default-study-shows/

[–]proc0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm talking about something different. At the genetic level it may be the case the fetus starts as female, but that doesn't say anything about the target morphology of the adult version of the fetus. Human females are not just smaller, they have a different morphology. This gap is relatively recent in evolutionary timelines for humans.

From this perspective it's not hard to see nature went from masculine to feminine, even in males, but much more so in females. No other female in the mammalian kingdom has enlarged breasts all the time, and more fat to accentuate form over function.

Even if we analyze at the superficial level, boys and girls are morphologically similar, and then it's girls that change into a different form, while boys just grow larger and that's about it.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If you just grew larger you did puberty wrong.

Try getting some testosterone.

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, I'm not trans.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

At the genetic level it may be the case the fetus starts as female, but that doesn't say anything about the target morphology of the adult version of the fetus. Human females are not just smaller, they have a different morphology. This gap is relatively recent in evolutionary timelines for humans.

When you say that in humans "the fetus starts as female," I think you mean embryo. A human embryo becomes a fetus at the time that gonadal differentiation occurs, which happens at 7-8 weeks.

Fetuses by definition will have male gonads, testes, or female gonads, ovaries. So the idea that in humans "the fetus starts as female" is nonsensical.

Also, your claim that "at the genetic level the fetus starts as female" gives the impression that during gestation in utero humans change DNA and sex chromosomes. This is not true. A human being's chromosomal sex, genetic sex and genetic profile is determined at conception. Some di novo mutations can occur when the first cells divide in the hours after sperm and egg merge and the blastocyst is forming, but the genetic sex of humans is set in stone from the get-go. It does not change as the blastocyst becomes an embryo, as the embryo grows into a fetus at week 7-8, or as the fetus develops from week 8 through 40.

It's not true that human embryos and their precursors, blastocysts, "start as female" either. Human embryos appear sexually undifferentiated when observed visually from the outside because they have not yet developed male or female gonads or the other urogenital and reproductive organs that are obvious to the eye. A male embryo who that not yet grown testes, penis, scrotum, prostate, vas deferens etc is NOT female; the embryo is merely an undeveloped male, or a male in primordial form.

When the cells of human embryos and blastocysts are examined with microscopes and other technologies that allow for a more accurate picture of what's happening, physical sex differences can be seen. In fact, marked physical sex differences in the cells of human blastocysts have been found just days after fertilization, at the time when the blastocyst is implanting in the uterine wall and begins to grow a placenta.

For the record: whether human fetuses have male or female external genitalia can be ascertained with 100% accuracy by sonograms taken from the exterior of pregnant women's abdomens at 14 weeks. Since full term pregnancy is 40 weeks, this means that the gonadal and genital sex of fetuses is easily discernible for the vast majority of the time that a fetus is a fetus.

Moreover, the genetic sex of human fetuses can be determined with 100% accuracy by testing a pregnant woman's blood drawn from the arm or finger in the standard way at 8-9 weeks of pregnancy; this common test is called the NIPT. The sex of a fetus can also be ascertained at 8-9 weeks of pregnancy by testing a tiny piece of the placenta taken in the invasive procedure called CVS (chorionic villi sampling). CVS has been in use since the mid-late 1980s; I personally had it when pregnancy more than 30 years ago.

[–]proc0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, it's the embryo. My point is focusing on traits that are expressed later with maturity. The evidence is in how humans look and have looked in the past millions of years and how that evolved over time. If the physical difference appear even earlier, then that's even more evidence.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those genes exist but have almost no effect until later. Males even have a scar from the genital swap. Most secondary characteristics don't appear until puberty (and disproportionately attack males, such that they're not even the same person afterwards).

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, it's girls who mostly just grow larger, boys have every single aspect of their body completely replaced almost, even their mind. Truly brutal.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

some believe there isnt any default sex at all

Make sure they aren't the ones who also think there is no such thing as sex.

[–]DirewolfGhost 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If it is true that 80% of females reproduce and 40% of males reproduce and females are the sexual selectors, this doesn't make sense. It might make sense for humans, having gone through a period of male sexual selection (fathers giving daughters to their husbands) but it doesn't for other animals.

It's way easier for a TM to pass as a weak male (one that wouldn't reproduce) than for a TW to pass as a woman, given all the bone and muscle changes in puberty.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nature is brutal on males

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No, it's quite the opposite actually. Females are the default template and have a much easier time trying to become male than the other way around. In fact every single male was female at conception.

And humans are insanely dimorphic because archons. That's the explanation for all the evil order of nature, which almost everyone worships.

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Females are the default template and have a much easier time trying to become male than the other way around.

Then how do you explain the statistics? I'm not talking about the chromosome level, whether the embryo starts female or male. I'm talking about the genes expressed in the adult version of the phenotype, and how that affects body shape and features. Women and men used to be more similar to each other, and then humans deviated and women became more like children (also men, but more so women). So to go from more refined, delicate features of women to robust, larger features of men is harder.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't see how. Almost every male goes from those refined, delicate features to the irritating robust, larger features. And females can transition to male, but neither can go back.

You probably think all the other things look more male because your instinct is that females are royalty and deserve special treatment. Therefore your brain is an expert at spotting them and detecting fakes, in an almost paranoid manner. Everything else is registered as male, including other species. This is probably why male is usually the default gender socially, not because people are misogynist, but to the contrary because they elevate females as special higher beings. This is because of male disposability, and this is a great example showing why nature is evil and shouldn't be trusted. All it cares about is might and who can reproduce the most. You are nothing but a cog in its system. It will torture you for all eternity for all it cares, the universe is indifferent to you, as long as it furthers the interests of natural selection. And yet everyone bows down to it. How can they support such a wrong system?

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You probably think all the other things look more male because your instinct is that females are royalty and deserve special treatment.

No not really, but there is a distinction to be made between the average female, and the idealized version, which many aspire to present themselves as. That difference between reality and the presentation/idealization of their image, is I guess, sexual selection in action... the ones that can closer reach that ideal get more attention and over millions of years the ideal becomes reality. This is done in a much shorter timespan with dogs, and you can artificially select features and get that feature after a few generations.

Everything else is registered as male, including other species.

I'm mostly saying humans have sexually selected features for females (I thin k women played a role in it as well), much more than other species. It's another big difference between animals and humans, just like how humans have a prolonged childhood unlike any other animal.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Humans are cursed with insane sexual dimorphism as described in Genesis 3. Animals get it too but nowhere near as much (but still too much). And humans are also wired to select for features that will make it even worse. But females hold nearly all of the selective power, which is why males have to simp for them. I think it is the males who are getting farther away from normal. Males are shoehorned into a very specific biological purpose, which is to ensure the wellbeing of females and their success at reproduction. Female biology allows them to live actual lives, only expecting them to give birth, and luckily modern science has found ways to stop even that. But nothing can be done for males, whose entire being is rebuilt from the ground up on his expendable role. You may have heard of the famous incel line "men under 6' can't get a date". Now that's bogus but there is definitely truth to the idea that women have huge expectations for men. The reason is because they're tricked by instincts into being natural selection's agents, choosing the most "masculine" and sexually dimorphic partners (and even expecting men who aren't their mate to fulfill these obligations to them). But men are made desperate by their biology so they'll take anything they can get I guess.

[–]BlueFrost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just wondering, do you think it would be better if God had designed men closer to the way he designed women, at least appearance-wise?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, not for 99.4% of them. I am the exception. It would make things easier on them socially, but at the cost of having to live with gender dysphoria which is 5000x worse, believe me you don't want it.

[–]pcpmasterrace 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Under the age of like 30 or something it's the other way around.

[–]HanssenBob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Life on easy mode.

[–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because an actual female only needs to look at a guy and he'll be ready to jump into bed with her. Most of the 'trannies' these days are hoping some of that magical energy will transfer to them when they start wearing dresses, or else they're in it to guilt woke lesbians into unwanted pervert sex.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Serious question: Could circumcision be a contributing factor? Men not 'identifying' with their natural bodies because their natural bodies have been altered? Like a lesser form of castration.

[–]Gaslov 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think the internet is the issue. Especially role playing games where they can experience what it's like being a girl gamer and thinking that treatment will continue in the real world if they can somehow achieve the look.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The internet is definitely a huge part of the issue when it comes to prevalence, but trans people existed before the internet.

Before transgenderism was socially acceptable, it was considered a genuine affliction. Body dysphoria is a legitimate medical/psychological issue.

I want to know where that comes from. How common was gender dysphoria in American males before we started cutting up their penises when they were babies?

I may be wrong, but it seems like sexual mutilation in infancy would be an obvious factor in all sorts of maladaptive behaviours. Most people don't want to have that conversation, though.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Before transgenderism was socially acceptable, it was considered a genuine affliction. Body dysphoria is a legitimate medical/psychological issue.

And thanks to the social fad, it is no longer considered such. All Democrats ever do is co-opt people for their agenda.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not a fan of either side. Two wings of the same shitbird.

[–]BlueFrost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At least the Republicans and conservatives don't actively want to persecute you for saying the "wrong" thing.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You pointed out another example of sexism against men. That brutal procedure is a crime when done to girls but perfectly acceptable on boys. Actually it's not even sexism, it's just showing how much value we assign to one sex over the other.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it breaks my heart knowing that so many people treat their sons like dogs to be trained, rather than human beings with feelings. Boys deserve protection, too!

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because males are more variable overall, more likely to be afflicted with almost any condition (because nature could care less about them individually, since they have little value for the only thing nature cares about: reproduction). It's also my opinion that there's generally more freedom on the female side, because a male's literal only purpose biologically is to ensure that his females are healthy. Obviously more neurodiverse people are going to resent what's been done to them to ensure they're capable of performing that role to the expense of everything else. Unfortunately nature also only allows female-to-male transitions, almost nothing can be done for the other direction, and most gain a false sense of hope and then end up killing themselves when it doesn't work.

That's all assuming the person is legit and not a snowflake or a gender role purist or someone trying to get into the other sex's spaces.