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Why do black Americans complain about slavery, they didn't personally experience it and living in the US is better than living in Africa
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[–]StillLessons 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago* (3 children)
"Living in the US is better than living in Africa."
This to me is the simple proof that the CRT arguments about the western black experience are bullshit. The basis of CRT in the US and Europe is that whites are responsible for black failure. In a nutshell, that's the thesis. The simple test for that is "Well, are there places where blacks are in control? Do blacks living in those places have a better standard of living than those in western societies?" It is obvious that in most of Africa, there are relatively pure black societies. For the true believer in CRT, the solution is absurdly simple: if whites are keeping you down, get away from whites. Go to Congo or the Central African Republic. It'll take some work, but freedom, man! You'll be free from the tyranny of the white man! It should be utopia if their theory is correct. How does it look in reality?
[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (2 children)
The Africans hate American blacks.
[–]UncleWillard56 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
Can confirm. I went to a mostly black college and one of my English professors was African (no shit, it wasn't even his native language, but fair play, he spoke it better than most of the students). He absolutely hated the African American students and during private office hours would vent his frustration to me and a few other students who didn't behave the way they did. Me and the other white guy in the class were his favorite students (though he did thing we were brothers, lol), simply because we did the work and didn't just talk through class and be completely ignorant to the professor.
[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
I feel bad for the African immigrants to the US. The people who are bright enough to escape the societies they were living in in Africa are their best and brightest. It makes sense they migrate to a more functional system. I'm sure it drives them insane watching the very-much-not-best-and-brightest blacks in the US education system given the bullhorn. There are many blacks in the US -- both African and native-born -- who are capable of living within our society and contributing great things, but they are currently in the minority, while the "waste-of-time-blacks" have the political backing of the NPC whites to monumentally fuck things up. Horrible to watch.
It's not skin color; it's culture. The worst of both cultures are currently calling the shots.
[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago* (0 children)
Take the concept of generational wealth or other privilege, and apply its inverse. Now woke academics likely overstate this effect, but you can see generational poverty in white families too.
Now, slavery ended a long time ago, but Jim Crow was much more recent. I'd say this recent economic inequality has more to do with the current situation of blacks than slavery.
As far as your Africa argument, better material conditions are not a justification for slavery, or a moral license to abuse people that otherwise would have less material wealth, there is more to well-being than that
[–]MSmixer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
They have been told they are victims, have been robbed, and should be living in luxury but they have been robbed of wealth by virtue of skin color which is why they live in poverty, are illiterate, and experiencing any and all misfortunes. They are told repeatedly that they do not bear responsibility for their circumstances and that their lives are this way because at one point in time black people were slaves and I guess the argument is that had it not been for this practice they would all be rich or something and so they have internalized the message and the scenario is playing itself out.
Obviously the fact that the people pushing the message of racism and oppression against blacks, painting a distorted picture of reality and imposing a feeling of hopelessness to ever have hard work be rewarded, thus enslaving them further to this victim mentality are themselves multi million and billionaire black people. Somehow Noone thinks to ask if what they claim is in fact true, that everything wrong in their community is the fault of racism, oppression and white people stealing their shit, how the heck did these black people ever amass their fortunes, it flies in the face of these claims. How can a black man ever become president for 2 terms in a racist country with only 12% of the population being black?
Overall it seems that the easier path is blame others for personal failure, refuse to engage in critical thinking or self awareness and just demand to be given things because you're ancestors procreated successfully despite being in bandage. Conveniently nobody ever mentions that there were in fact black plantation owners that owned slaves. It reflects on the failure of the public school system that it can even get to this point. I guess if you don't have uneducated minds you can't herd them into doing your bidding as easily nor would you have such dependence and obedience.
That is an oversimplification, offered as a quick explanation to a complex issue.
[–]boston_blackie 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
So they can get free shit. They invented the Victim Game.
[–]UncleWillard56 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago* (0 children)
Because it suits the current narrative and is a built-in excuse for failure. Think about it, if you're a straight, white guy, you have no excuses. You have no one but yourself to blame for your situation and if you're successful, it's white privilege. If you fail, haha! Where's your white privilege now? If you're black, you can, from an early age, just say "games rigged, why bother, get yours now" and it excuses any bad behavior up to and including murder. For those black people that do make these excuses (and I know more that don't than do), it's in their interest to keep slavery a current topic. Hell, on the 20th anniversary of 9/11, people on Reddit were bitching about why we couldn't just drop it and even that we probably deserved it anyway. Time to do the same with slavery. Ironic that we can't forget slavery, but we absolutely forget that a bunch of straight, white men created a government/society that got us to this point where even trans rights are a hot topic over just about anything else. Imagine if we were as bad as everyone made us out to be. There'd still be slavery, women wouldn't be allowed to vote, there's be no child labor laws, to name just a few.
[–]popcorn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (4 children)
An even better question is why do Muslims always complain that they're losing their beloved land of Palestine when in fact they are busy conquering the UK Sweden France Australia United States?
The answer is because Muslims play the poor me victim card when it is useful to them and when it's not useful they rule over you as Masters and you become the slave.
When I was praying with Muslims I met a couple of tablighi jamaat guys that told me that when Islam controls an area that no muslim will ever be charged or convicted or jailed for killing a non-muslim. That's right the destination of Islam is that they will be in a position that they can literally execute you on the street corner they can cut your throat and just leave you there to rot and nobody in the entire community will blink over it.
We have had slavery since the beginning of time and we will probably always have slavery.
Money is literally the root of evil. This does not mean that anyone that has money is evil, but it does mean that when you find a truly evil person I promise you that you will find mountains of money.
Video: how does Prince Salman spend his 2 trillion dollar Fortune, while children eat dirt for breakfast?
https://youtu.be/ur8E0Tpl0Sc
[–]xpat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (3 children)
told me that when Islam controls an area that no muslim will ever be charged or convicted or jailed for killing a non-muslim
That's what happened during the Ottoman age when muslims occupied Greece.
[–]popcorn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (2 children)
.. the same fellas with tablighi jamaat, they told me another story right after they told me that little bit.
They told me that if I'm in my house and the house on one side of me is owned by a Muslim and the house on the other side is owned by a non-muslim and both of those houses catch on fire at the same time which house fire should I put out and I say well put out both fires and they said no they said put out the Muslim fire and they turned around and walked away from me.
So basically what I learned is that Muslims look forward to having the privilege to kill you for pretty much any infraction or any insult or any disagreement and they also will not be coordinated enough to hand you a glass of water if your house is on fire if you're a non-muslim.
And do you know what's really amusing to me is that I spent probably a good 15 years around really devoted Muslims and not one time did they ever share with me anything about the revelation isn't that interesting?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SSoZ6c_WWtM&t=1s
[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (1 child)
Enjoyed reading your input. What is the revelation?
[–]popcorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
The revelation and Muhammad is the actual beginning of Islam it is where everything began I find it so amusing that nobody in Islam ever told me about this I learned about it on my own. This should be the first thing that any Muslim ever talks to anyone about ever.
https://youtu.be/Tli0BLdc9Uk
[–]popcorn 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun - 1 year ago (1 child)
Everybody complains about slavery when you're a slave
[–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
Whoa, whoa, whoa! I was told that when Africans, who practically invented it, practice it, it's totally different. When you're locked up in the shed out back of the main house and forced to do all the work for free, you're "like family."
[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (10 children)
For a thought experiment: (and mind you, this isn't just relevant to America, nor should it be relevant solely to 'African Americans'.) We cannot know the outcome of society without slaves. Were slaves treated poorly? Yes Did America unduly benefit from slave labor? Yes If you kidnap a janitor and have him fix your house's poop-chute then let him go and meet him at an Elk's club meeting next thursday, will you respect him as much as Fantastic Orange Man respects Stormy McDaniels? Chances are, about the same.
Now the next few sets of questions are hypothetical, Would you respect an African if you had no experience with them? Were there to be a fictionalized timeline where the US lived separately from Africa and romanticized their culture, then say somewhere in the late 20th century, America meets African representatives for the first time. America's view of Africa, in this scenario could be similar to that of Saudi Arabia or China for that matter in this alternate scenario.
The narrative we have now (and it's either correct or incorrect) is that Africa is still a dark continent in the sense of being backwards and un-industrialized with next to zero contribution to civilized society.
Efforts like Black History month are an attempt to apprehend a timeline and a future that they have not had a great deal of control over. Any of us would seek to do the same (control the narrative and gain what respect we could from that). In their minds, they didn't choose to be slaves, but they have to live with the legacy of having BEEN slaves in a shared collective history.
If there is any truth to diamond mining and the raping of their "homeland" through fossil fuel exploitation or lithium mining or whatever, and they have something other than Egypt to attest to previous noteworthy periods of exemplary civilization... Then it's understandable that they seek to have it backwards and forwards known that they are more than slaves, deserve (in their minds) recompense for being slaves, and want a seat at the world's bargaining table.
[–]MSmixer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (9 children)
I respectfully disagree that any of us would do the same. It seems so east for everyone to forget that Irish were the original slaves in America, that's right. I haven't heard a single Irish person terrorizing their neighborhoods and demanding recompense for having been brought here as slaves. Perhaps pride has something to do with it, or perhaps they realize the obvious and that is that they themselves know nothing of living a slave life and therefore the idea of backpay is incredibly ridiculous. That's just a guess though
[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago* (8 children)
And I respect your mentioning the Irish. Now, mind you, this isn't my 'thing', but I do try to have empathy. The difference between the Irish and the 'African American' slave is many-fold I'm sure. Not the least of which is the fact that Irish are 'white', even if they were at one time considered the trash of white people by other white people. Heck, while we're at it we can mention that a great deal of 'white' indentured servants came over on the Mayflower. The difference there being, eventually their contract was up, and the Irish, anyone can correct me if I'm wrong which I can readily admit I'm merely generalizing--were not enslaved anywhere near as long as that chattel slavery that the 'African American' has been. 'African Americans' try to claim 400 years of slavery, so obviously to get on the radar, the Irish would have to come within striking distance of that number. But let's just count from the founding of the republic until wiki tells us the last slave was freed, (I'd like to say until the end of the civil war, but if there was beyond I guess it could count) December 18, 1865 was when it was codified by congress. That puts it at 89 years. Hmph, well... using those numbers we'd have something to talk about. But if we say that the 'white colonizers' all bear some of the burden, then we'd have to really include the Arabs who dealt in the slave trade and the tribal leaders back in Africa who were complicit. So honestly, I agree that there's more to this than just straight numbers and fairness, however, short of another civil war, the woke left which includes virtue signaling sufferers of 'white guilt' with regards to the Blacks' treatment in America, it's far more about feelings and healing the rift than logic and calm airing of grievances.
I'd love a unified country. None of our Rocket Man, Xi Xing Ping Ping, or Commandant Stalin bare-Bear chest would stand in our way.
[–]MSmixer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (7 children)
Well, I can tell you that the Irish would reach the end of their servitude and then they would say "OK, and now here is the bill for room and board", etc and so they never got out of the contract. That's not important to the discussion, just fun fact? Back to your point about how the healing of hurt feelings, I honestly don't see that being possible at this point, especially not in CA. Specifically San Francisco as they have put forward all these insane offers like $7million, $95k per year on top of the lump sum 7, $1 for a house and guaranteed college funds and there is no way to deliver on this. People are saying thats not enough and so I see this getting really ugly really soon! I will admit, I am not sure what steps need to be undertaken but I find myself saying we never should have allowed women in government. This is based off congressional hearings, I mean ranting, raving hysteria and not just from the left. I do feel like respect and discipline have been missing for too long, again how to fix this us beyond my purview. Personally I am planning on breaking off into a tribe of reasonable, hard working, self sufficient others somewhere remote.
[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (6 children)
I'm with you. And yes, I know that they would often do that to contracts. It's an old dirty trick. Women in government, I agree with you. It was a mistake. Women already held an unhealthy sway over policy before there was "suffrage". P-pass was real. Withhold relations, make life miserable (Better is a morsel of bread on the corner of a roof in the rain than a wonderful meal with a bickering woman, is a paraphrase of a Biblical proverb.) and most men would crack and do a 180 on legitimate views. America would have done well to have military service mandatory from its inception, but at least from the 40's onward. We'd be living in a different America, and likely a better one.
[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (5 children)
So you want 1984. Sigh, just like pretty much everyone but me these days...
[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (4 children)
Want it? No. Of course not. Will it come though? Friend, I would prefer in many ways an EMP. Simpler life is a more honest one and I think the person above me was expressing that same sentiment. A world where one can use his skills and work hard, and live amongst a society of like minded people who have a sense of community when there's a need, but otherwise mind their own. By the sweat of the brow, right?
[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (3 children)
You said every man should be forced to be in the military like this is fucking North Korea. And you called women shit.
[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (2 children)
lol, only that I did neither. If you're done being Phil Donahue (Are you male? I don't want to mis-gender now) I stated a fact that women are capable and do use sex and the withholding of affection as a bargaining tool. Both sexes use manipulation, do they not? So to state that before the suffrage movement, women still had significant sway over their husbands--whether lawmaker or lower, shouldn't be all that controversial. Military service is a good thing. I was not fortunate to have served, but I have mad respect for those who have. Old ideals were in some ways better than ones we have today.
There's no sense of patriotism in upcoming generations because the concept of military service is completely foreign. They are embarrassed of the United States and label it backwards and forwards a contemptibly racist proposition that must be destroyed at all costs.
Maybe you're a leftist. And I'm not trying to denigrate you by asking that, I don't know you from Adam, but if Jordan Peterson's schtick resonates with certain youth, you've got to ask yourself, why?
Is it because they're taught all the things that supposedly set one up for success, but not faithfulness, perseverance, personal responsibility and discipline? The old military allegedly gave people a compass, one to set direction by. You can be a rudderless ship, but how's that working out for ya, America? Seems like the MGToW is a pushback reaction to what men see as a stacked deck against them. Hey, I guess you do you, boo.
[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (1 child)
I don't want any of this new political bullshit. At the least I want the land of the FREE back, and ideally we go to minarchy or even total abolition of the state.
I guess I could count us lucky that we ever had that at all. It just doesn't jive with human nature.
I also despise identity politics.
[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (1 child)
Gibs.
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DiNozzo.
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