Aren't we supposed to stop the totalitarians from taking over?

submitted by EddieC from self.AskSaidIt

If so, where is the focus?
 
Edit (May 13,2023):
What's needed:
Pinned posts, or wiki, on designated sub(s)
to curate discussed ideas & solutions
to avert / alleviate the problem
 
Pinned to always remain on top
ie
- unaffected by new posts
- no need to search/scroll
- for focus & dialogue

 

Forum etiquette to be observed by all:
Only relevant & constructive posts & replies

 
 

Edit (June 22,2023):
To clarify: "Forum etiquette to be observed by all: only relevant & constructive posts & replies"
would only apply to the pinned posts, and not the rest of the sub(s)
 

Agreed, but it will never be adhered to.

Those that do not adhere signify their real position
- Users can then block them and won't see their posts ever again
- Mods can easily enforce the requirement if they choose to - since it is to be strictly applicable only for the pinned post(s)
 
Mods can leave irrelevant & non-constructive comments as they are - so that other users would know who the trolls are that they can block for themselves
   

To re-state:
For Focus and Accretive Dialogue, we need pinned curated posts on previously discussed and established ideas & solutions on subs with large following e.g. s/WayOfTheBern
 
This would:

  1. overcome bad faith actors flooding the site with noise

    • we can focus on the pinned posts
    • block / ban / blacklist bad faith actors who post noise to the pinned posts

  2. overcome serious issues inherent in the forum format, that if not addressed simply result in forums being used to dissipate our energy and usurp our focus i.e.

    • older relevant post(s) on solutions get pushed down by new (irrelevant) posts @ noise and would not get much further attention, nor traction that they should
    • only one person in a thread is notified of a new reply - the one immediately being replied to.

Else:

  • those who post ideas subsequently will get discouraged by the apparent lack of response from others in the thread
  • Those who started / joined early in the discussion will not be aware of new contributions - they too would be discouraged that their initial post on/for solutions have been forgotten (pushed down the forum) and the lack of (notification) of further response.
  • The Problem does not get solved!!!
     

Edit (June 30,2023):
We also need a Focus Algorithm of our own
 

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[–]penelopepnortney 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So, you pinged me but I have zero idea what this is all about. Which totalitarians are trying to take over, and are they trying to take over indiviiducal subs or SaidIt as a whole? Are your proposals specific to this sub only?

[–]penelopepnortney 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Okay, I'm seeing your additional comment below, "Please consider this for /s/WayOfTheBern", which I'm interpreting to mean you want these proposals to become rules that apply to every sub. In which case, I invite you to pound sand. That's not preventing totalitarians from taking over, it's inviting them in and giving them the keys.

[–]EddieC[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In which case, I invite you to pound sand. That's not preventing totalitarians from taking over, it's inviting them in and giving them the keys.

There is no need for inflammatory language. I am not the enemy. Please re-read what was posted on top.
If you do not know who/what 'totalitarians' refer to - please ignore this ping/message. Thanks.
 

[–]Netweasel 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As always, here's the real question:

Forum etiquette to be observed by all

Or else, what, specifically?

[–]EddieC[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Shunned
 

[–]makesyoudownvote 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So... You want to beat them to the punch and institute totalitarian policies... To prevent totalitarianism?

Am I getting this right?

[–]EddieC[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Please consider this for /s/WayOfTheBern
u/FThumb u/Martini u/Maniak

[–]FThumb 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/aza2/looks_like_i_picked_the_wrong_week_to_quit/

[–]EddieC[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

u/Theghostofjoehill u/penelopepnortney

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

https://Projex.Wiki

If you want an account ask me and include what user name you'd like. I'll give you a password to change.

[–]EddieC[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

u/Magnora7, u/Zapped

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You and some others have some really good ideas. There is a point at which stricter rules make for more of a exclusive community, though. I do like the idea of the pinned posts and notes explaining rules and etiquette, but that is not my call.

[–]EddieC[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You and some others have some really good ideas.

Who else - please let me know so that I can look into their ideas
 

I do like the idea of the pinned posts and notes explaining rules and etiquette, but that is not my call.

Your call, u/Magnora7?
 

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

JasonCarswell, for one. There has been talk about a year or more ago about tightening the rules. I can't remember exactly who else at the moment. It seems that whenever an admin starts removing posts and comments, and banning users for repeatedly "dragging down discussion" or ad hominem attacks, it doesn't end well.

[–]EddieC[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

OK, thanks
 
Just to clarify, my suggestion: "Forum etiquette to be observed by all: only relevant & constructive posts & replies" would only apply to the pinned posts, and not the rest of the sub(s).
 
Hopefully u/Magnora7 sees the value in this simple idea.
 

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

He won't. Guaranteed.

The management here has always been closed, stagnant, useless, and utterly rotten with egotistical bullshit thinking he knows best, and he's let the forum slide to the point where the users just drag everything down. There is no future or civility here and we don't have time to waste as the world burns when alternatives and solutions need attention.

I'm done with toxic SaidIt and moving on.
Some of us can do better and we all deserve better.

https://Projex.Wiki - ask for a username (my contact info is there easy to find)
https://TruthSeeker.Club - coming soon, for serious civilized discourse
https://TruthSeeker.Party - maybe, for free speech and fun
https://TruthSeeker.Quest - maybe
https://TruthSeeker.Shop - eventually
https://TruthSeeker.Wiki - will redirect to...
https://WikiSpooks.com

cc /u/Drewski, /u/Zapped, /u/zyxzevn

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Agreed, but it will never be adhered to.

[–]EddieC[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

To clarify: "Forum etiquette to be observed by all: only relevant & constructive posts & replies"
would only apply to the pinned posts, and not the rest of the sub(s)
 

Agreed, but it will never be adhered to.

Those that do not adhere signify their real position
- Users can then block them and won't see their posts ever again
- Mods can easily enforce the requirement if they choose to - since it is to be strictly applicable only for the pinned post(s)
 

[–]Netweasel 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Mods can easily enforce the requirement if they choose to

This part right here.....
It seems like you are trying to not say something specific.

Almost speaking in euphemism.

[–]EddieC[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mods can leave irrelevant & non-constructive comments as they are - so that other users would know who the trolls are that they can block for themselves