Is it morally wrong to act on a rape fantasy that was writen based on a real rape story?

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Now I'm just gonna say if someone thinks rape fantasies are morally wrong this question is not for you. It's consensual sex so it doesn't matter what I do with someone else.

What I wanted you guys opinion on is: If someone was raped and they shared their story, and I used this to make my own rape fantasy scenario would it be morally wrong? Like, deepfake porn morally wrong? Of course we DON'T tell the victim we did it... I can't think of anything else more wicked than that.

What would you think if someone did this if YOU were raped? And some guy just wrote a rape fantasy based on your pain and did it with some Tinder bimbo?

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[–]NastyWetSmear 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'm confused, spell it out for me:

You and another partner want to act out a rape fantasy based on a true story told by a third party? Is that right?

EG:
"Hey, honey. You know how we both love role playing rape stuff in the bedroom? Well, let's role play this scenario. It's a true story that I heard person X tell me."?

[–]bucetao6969[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

yes

well now that you mention it, I'd have to tell my partner. Idk if I would tell about it being real.

[–]NastyWetSmear 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Well, here's my take on it:

You know it's wrong, because the second you imagine yourself admitting it to the person in question or your partner, you're already seeing reasons to lie or omit. You know they wouldn't like it. If you know they wouldn't like it, it's wrong.

You don't have to care about that persons reaction and feelings. The fact is, they shouldn't ever know what goes on in your bedroom between yourself and your partner. You don't have an obligation to do or not do things when alone in your home that make them happy or that they would approve of. Your partner, however?... You have an obligation to them not to lie by omission and neglect to tell them if a fantasy you're bringing to the bedroom is a real life story from someone. They have the right to choose what is moral with all the information available.

[–]bucetao6969[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's a very good response NastyWet. I hadn't thought about the "telling the partner" part until now and it caught me by surprise.

Ok but let's say I tell my partner of the idea. If they agreed with it would it still be moral?

Note: I already made my mind, I gave up on acting this kind of rape fantasy and just doing a thought exercise now. For fun.

[–]NastyWetSmear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Again, I think it's morally wrong, but I don't think that means you can't do it.
You aren't required to care about the feelings of a third party who, in theory, is only tangentially involved in what should be a totally private matter between you and your partner. I think of it like saying rude things behind their back - You and your partner might share thoughts about how someone looked or smelled or acted that you wouldn't want shared with that person. It's morally wrong, because you know that person wouldn't want you doing that and would feel hurt if they knew you were doing that, but you don't necessarily have to concern yourself with that because it would also be morally wrong for one of the only two people involved in that conversation to tell the third party, and both of you would be equally to blame if one of you did.

So, yeah, morally wrong. They would be mortified if they knew you were doing that. Harmless, however, in that, in theory, they should never know these private matters between you and your partner. If morality is the concern, I wouldn't do it. If harm is the concern, I think you're okay.

... I guess the question back is - how do You feel about it? Do you feel it's okay to get your rocks off to a traumatic, real life event even if doing so causes no harm to the person who experienced it? Isn't there some part of you that feels like, maybe, that's a bit off colour? I'm not going to judge you. I've done crazy shit in the bedroom as well. That being said, I never had post nut clarity and thought: "Oh geez, this makes me a bad person."... Just "Oh geez, someone has to clean that up."

[–]bucetao6969[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Again, I think it's morally wrong, but I don't think that means you can't do it.

Of course.

I think it's a good idea even if one makes a morally wrong action, it's good to understand the morality of it. Sometimes we can't just help it. But why be ignorant about it?

You aren't required to care about the feelings of a third party who, in theory, is only tangentially involved in what should be a totally private matter between you and your partner. I think of it like saying rude things behind their back - You and your partner might share thoughts about how someone looked or smelled or acted that you wouldn't want shared with that person. It's morally wrong, because you know that person wouldn't want you doing that and would feel hurt if they knew you were doing that, but you don't necessarily have to concern yourself with that because it would also be morally wrong for one of the only two people involved in that conversation to tell the third party, and both of you would be equally to blame if one of you did.

Yeah but... that doesn't compare does it?

You're comparing shittalking to using someone's torturous experience that they trusted a thirdparty with in the hopes of freeing themselves for one's own gain... without their consent. This is the crazy part.

So, yeah, morally wrong. They would be mortified if they knew you were doing that. Harmless, however, in that, in theory, they should never know these private matters between you and your partner. If morality is the concern, I wouldn't do it. If harm is the concern, I think you're okay.

Good point. Though it's good to mention in the world today... nothing is truly hidden.

... I guess the question back is - how do You feel about it? Do you feel it's okay to get your rocks off to a traumatic, real life event even if doing so causes no harm to the person who experienced it? Isn't there some part of you that feels like, maybe, that's a bit off colour? I'm not going to judge you. I've done crazy shit in the bedroom as well. That being said, I never had post nut clarity and thought: "Oh geez, this makes me a bad person."... Just "Oh geez, someone has to clean that up."

I've come to terms that doing it without their consent is truly wicked, so I dropped that idea.

Of course, I'm not gonna ask for consent either. By that I mean ask if I can use their rape as my rape fantasy. It's not something worth bothering people over.

However, I still do things people don't like. Such as fapping to loli hentai. And they judge but I don't care lol for me it's just like the rape fantasy.

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah but... that doesn't compare does it?

You're comparing shittalking to using someone's torturous experience that they trusted a thirdparty with in the hopes of freeing themselves for one's own gain... without their consent. This is the crazy part.

Yeah, that's fair. It wasn't meant to be a 1 to 1 comparison, more a way of explaining my view on how you can do something wrong in private with the understanding that it will cause no harm because it's nobody's business except your own. For sure there's degrees of right and wrong.

However, I still do things people don't like. Such as fapping to loli hentai. And they judge but I don't care lol for me it's just like the rape fantasy.

I'm judging you right now... Just very, very quietly.
Again, if there's no harm, there's no harm... But honestly, with specific fantasies like these, especially ones that are crossing boundaries like using other people's real life experiences that were given to you in confidence and in the hope of finding peace and understanding... Maybe make sure to step back from time to time and ask if you're certain there's no harm being done.

I assume, seeing as you're asking, you're introspective about this kind of thing. I'm not a therapist. I'm no expert on morality and, if dipped in a moral litmus test I'd come out a sludgey brownish grey, I'm sure. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to ask a professional about stuff like this?

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I assume, seeing as you're asking, you're introspective about this kind of thing. I'm not a therapist. I'm no expert on morality and, if dipped in a moral litmus test I'd come out a sludgey brownish grey, I'm sure. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to ask a professional about stuff like this?

I agree with the importance of professionals however this in specific I see no point in it since I've come to terms with it myself. I'll seek a professional on things I can't know about.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You weren't planning to tell your partner to make the rape role play extra realistic?

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not sure "extra realistic" is a good way to phrase it. I mean, the whole point of the thing is not being an actual rape in the first place.

But I like to be transparent with my sexual partners, in the hopes they are transparent with me too. Communication is very important in sexual relationships.

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    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There's a block button right there.

    [–]Clown_Chan 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    Fucking seriously? Lol

    You are honestly fucked in the head, dude

    And you guys wonder why feminism exists....

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    And you guys wonder why feminism exists

    Nobody wonders why feminism exist. Women are emotional and stupid, they need a safe ground to unravel their idiotic ideas. We only fight feminism when they do damage to us.

    You are honestly fucked in the head, dude

    Second result of me googling "can a feminist enjoy rape fantasy" you don't even know your own retard movement 😂

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Women are emotional and stupid

    Wrong.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Cope

    [–]IMissPorn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Does it hurt anyone?

    [–]jet199 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    It probably hurt his friend when she told him the worst thing which ever happened to her and he starting sweating and crossing his legs then asked to use the bathroom.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm not that kind of guy lol

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    At the end of the day, no. Unless I tell the rape victim out of spite, that would be real damage.

    In any case, I think we as a society should still practice morality. I like not doing morally apprehensible things if I can afford it.

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Yep, this is the real cause of men saying they are asexual. Perversion.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Go back to your mother's basement.

    [–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

    Ask /u/Vulptex.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

    You know he gets 0 sex

    [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

    Yeah, because this is so much better

    [–]Clown_Chan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

    LMFAO xd

    Yeah, I kinda agree

    It's better and much less dangerous if it's the male who is submissive one.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    Cope, woman. Unlike what feminists and trannies tell you, you could never be what a man is.

    Also, you misunderstood vulp. He faps to those images of furries in bondage.

    [–]Clown_Chan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Sweet christ, such a cringe.

    You are worse than Redditors and trannies.

    Blocked.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Welp, another bonus hole gone

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    He's wrong. I like being the one in bondage.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    No, I fap to being the one in bondage. And it's not furries.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    And it's not furries

    For me anything resembling a person that has enough fur is a furry

    No, I fap to being the one in bondage

    More and more I think you're an aegosexual.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Look I don't know or care what all these weird labels are. You know what I like.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    furry in bondage 😁

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    And why can't the man be the submissive one?

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Loaded quesiton, I didn't say or imply the man can't be the submissive one.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    It's better and much less dangerous if it's the male who is submissive one.

    Cope, woman. Unlike what feminists and trannies tell you, you could never be what a man is.

    [–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    She wants the man to be the submissive one so the woman does the powerplays that a man would do. Which she can't, since she's a woman.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Why can't she?

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    How so? It doesn't really matter who's stronger if there's more than bare hands involved.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Why?

    [–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Jeebus Christ Vulptex, do you really not get that I'm saying things like this in a joking manner? You must be fun at parties.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't know what the joke could be.