Preface:
I shouldn't have to preface with this, but I probably do: I agree "Trump bad". He's a senile, low functioning, sociopathic narcissist. He handled this crisis as ineptly as he's handled virtually everything else. That is not reason to politicize a crisis to this extent, while rejecting all critical thinking and remaining wilfully ignorant.
The way this crisis has been politicized and polarized has been massively detrimental to both the welfare of the population, and to the already abysmal level of critical thinking, objectivism, rationality, nuance, etc..
I am actually going to move most of the preface from the beginning to the end. Because of how polarized, political, and faction-based the discussion has become, I think that a majority of people who read the preface would simply downvote and remain wilfully ignorant about the rest. So I'm going to start with the facts and evidence, and hope there are enough redditors left who care about those.
Here are some of the things you're not seeing due to the manipulation of content (in large part by moderators, but also by votes) all over reddit:
Who is at risk from this virus?
Primarily people who are both old and unhealthy. And to a much lesser degree, people who are unhealthy but not elderly.
Yet again, I should not have to preface with this, but I am in the high-risk category. I have been chronically ill for many years (despite full-time, years of tremendous efforts). I am not making this argument from a privileged position.
More young people have it, but only the elderly get symptoms. Screenshot from covid.is. Dutch citation.
Mostly effects the elderly and people with underlying health conditions: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6924e2.htm - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e1.htm
Nearly half of hospitalized COVID-19 patients without a prior diabetes diagnosis have hyperglycemia, and the latter is an independent predictor of mortality at 28 days https://old.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/comments/hr6d7g/nearly_half_of_hospitalized_covid19_patients/
In Italy only 0.2% of all deaths were people under age 40, 59.9% had 3 or more serious comorbidities, only 3% of all deaths had no comorbidities and median death age is 81 (May 2020) https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_7_may_2020.pdf
CDC Director: Threat Of Suicide, Drugs, Flu To Youth ‘Far Greater’ Than Covid (Jul 2020) https://archive.vn/wip/bXM7U
Doctors from Stanford and UCLA: It’s time to end the state of emergency over COVID-19 (Jun 2020) https://archive.vn/4x2pQ “These infection fatality rates are remarkably low and are similar to the fatality rate for the seasonal flu.” “The virus is 10 times less fatal than we first thought.”
42% of all COVID-19 deaths are taking place in facilities that house 0.62% of the U.S. population (nursing homes and assisted living facilities) https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/#64f3213674cd
Official death rates per the CDC vary from month to month. Estimated overall fatality rate of those infected with the virus – with and without symptoms – would be 0.26% (Jun 2020) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/05/fact-check-cdc-estimates-covid-19-death-rate-0-26/5269331002/
Various websites quote wildly varying death rates, to as much as 5.2% of infected people. There is clearly bias all over the place. But only 1% of the US population has been infected.
Dutch CDC: 98% of infections go without barely any symptoms https://viruswaarheid.nl/medisch/van-dissel-covid-19-ongevaarlijk-voor-98-van-de-mensen/
WHO Says Studies Put Coronavirus Mortality Rate at 0.6% https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2020-08-03/who-says-studies-put-coronavirus-mortality-rate-at-0-6-video
The COVID Panic Is a Lesson in Using Statistics to Get Your Way in Politics (Jul 2020) https://mises.org/wire/covid-panic-lesson-using-statistics-get-your-way-politics
COVID-19: There have been approximately 760,213 deaths reported worldwide. Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
People citing the number of people who have died are frequently being misleading. The human population has almost quadrupled over the past 100 years: http://thedatadreamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/HumanWorldPopulationThroughHistory-Chart.png. So of course vastly more people are going to be impacted by anything. Even rates are going to go up due to increased population density. But rates are still the most accurate statistic.
Consequences of acting vs not acting, and economics:
It is idiotic and unethical to not fully inform ourselves and then weigh the consequences of our actions. The fact that there are so many adults who do not understand this is extremely alarming.
Millions of people die every year around the globe. We cannot currently prevent all deaths, and we don't even attempt to, in large part due to the costs/consequences of the interventions being too large.
Democracy Now covers economic, social, and health consequences of using quarantines/stay-at-home orders to combat COVID-19:
The content goes far beyond the quoted headlines.
U.N. Warns of Lockdown's “Potentially Catastrophic” Economic Toll on Children - reduced household income, school meal programs, maternal and newborn care: https://www.democracynow.org/2020/4/17/headlines
Nearly 1 in 5 U.S. Children Going Hungry as Unemployment Surges to Great Depression Levels. EU Warns Pandemic Economic Recession Will Be Worst in History https://www.democracynow.org/2020/5/7/headlines
“Diarrhea, Dehydration, Hunger, Exhaustion”: India’s Rural Poor Suffer Most Under Lockdown https://www.democracynow.org/2020/5/22/p_sainath_rural_india_coronavirus_neoliberal
Bolivian Protesters Demand End to Coronavirus Lockdown as Hunger Mounts https://www.democracynow.org/2020/5/20/headlines
Oxfam Warns COVID-19 Pandemic Could Push 122 Million to Brink of Starvation https://www.democracynow.org/2020/7/9/headlines
Study Warns 1.1 Million Children Could Die From Secondary Impacts as Pandemic Interrupts Access to Food & Medical Care (May 2020) https://www.democracynow.org/2020/5/21/report_children_pregnant_person_mortality_rates
PBS covers food chain and economic problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjfLXrke66I
Beyond the public health crisis, there's a massive economic and humanitarian crisis that is emerging because of this lockdown. People who are not monthly wage workers don't have any savings, so, they're practically facing severe starvation. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/densely-populated-bangladesh-faces-immense-infection-control-challenge
Watch through to Sen Pat Toomey's interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoPelzsFjYk&t=365
State reopening plans force trade-offs between health and economy https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/state-reopening-plans-force-tradeoffs-between-health-and-economy
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Dr. Anthony Fauci says staying closed for too long could cause 'irreparable damage' (May 2020) https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/05/22/dr-anthony-fauci-says-staying-closed-for-too-long-could-cause-irreparable-damage.html
Doctors on front line of worst-hit city in world say it’s time to end shutdown (May 2020) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/09/doctors-frontline-worst-hit-city-world-say-time-end-shutdown/
CDC director: Keeping schools closed poses greater health threat to children than reopening (Jul 2020) https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/506640-cdc-director-keeping-schools-closed-poses-greater-health-threat-to-children
The risks of keeping schools closed far outweigh the benefits (Jul 2020) https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/07/18/the-risks-of-keeping-schools-closed-far-outweigh-the-benefits
The Results Are In for Remote Learning: It Didn’t Work. The pandemic forced schools into a crash course in online education. Problems piled up quickly. (WSJ, Jun 2020) https://archive.fo/cm9I5
‘The Biggest Monster’ Is Spreading. And It’s Not the Coronavirus. - Tuberculosis kills 1.5 million people each year. Lockdowns and supply-chain disruptions threaten progress against the disease as well as H.I.V. and malaria. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/health/coronavirus-tuberculosis-aids-malaria.html
COVID-related hunger could kill more people than the virus https://unglobalcompact.org/take-action/20th-anniversary-campaign/covid-related%20hunger-could-kill-more-people-than-the-virus
UNICEF analysis predicts 6000 child deaths PER DAY due to COVID response https://www.unicef.ie/stories/impact-covid-19-children/
Lockdown 'killed two people for every three who died of coronavirus' at peak of outbreak. Estimates show 16,000 people died through missed medical care by May 1, while virus killed 25,000 in same period (Aug 2020) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/07/lockdown-killed-two-three-died-coronavirus/
One example of many: 31yo mother dies from cancer after treatment is delayed due to coronavirus. https://archive.vn/wip/WAPyL
CDC: 11% of US adults seriously considered suicide in June https://www.businessinsider.com.au/cdc-11-percent-us-adults-seriously-considered-suicide-in-june-2020-8
CDC: One quarter of young adults contemplated suicide during pandemic (Aug 2020) https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/13/cdc-mental-health-pandemic-394832
Coronavirus pandemic may lead to 75,000 "deaths of despair" from suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, study says (May 2020) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-deaths-suicides-drugs-alcohol-pandemic-75000/
It is ‘inhumane and heartless’ not to recognise the human costs of lockdowns (Jul 2020) https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6176537337001
Ever since the UK entered “lockdown”, those pushing for it to end have been labelled “callous” or “selfish” or accused of putting profits before people. Meanwhile millions are unemployed and a global famine is on the horizon. The lockdown will kill more people than the virus, and needs to be ended. (May 2020) https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/12/opposing-lockdown-is-not-profits-before-people
More Than Half of U.S. Business Closures Permanent (Jul 2020) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-22/more-than-half-of-u-s-business-closures-permanent-yelp-says
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Study between Finland and Sweden indicates school closings had no measurable impact on number of cases in children. https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/contentassets/c1b78bffbfde4a7899eb0d8ffdb57b09/covid-19-school-aged-children.pdf
Reopening schools in Denmark did not worsen outbreak https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-denmark-reopening-idUSKBN2341N7
New US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines on education and child care come down hard in favor of opening schools, saying children don't suffer much from coronavirus, are less likely than adults to spread it and suffer from being out of school. (Jul 2020) https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/cdc-coronavirus-school-guidelines-new/index.html
Three large Southern states that moved aggressively to reopen amid the coronavirus crisis have seen new cases and deaths largely hold steady since then https://nypost.com/2020/05/22/no-coronavirus-catastrophes-after-three-southern-states-re-open/
As Wisconsin completely reopened last month, they have not seen the dire consequences that were predicted for them. https://www.wbay.com/content/news/Wisconsin-reports-no-new-COVID-19-deaths-571108001.html
The first-to-reopen state maintains a Covid-19 death rate well below those of northeastern states—though you’d never know it from the media coverage. https://www.city-journal.org/covid-19-georgia-reopening
The number of cases in Arizona is quickly decreasing, despite open restaurants, barber shops and churches https://archive.vn/V5vZ1
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There is already a major problem with overexpenditures on end of life care https://archive.vn/UbC0K#selection-223.18-223.19 - this is not "saving lives", this is slightly postponing deaths.
When I first heard India was shutting down I was shocked and horrified. One has to be tremendously out of touch to not know that huge swaths of developing country's populations live day to day and will literally starve to death if you prevent them from going to work. And developing countries do not have the same economic means to provide monetary and food welfare to their populations. After seeing the coverage of it on Democracy Now it seemed clear to me that it was a privileged minority shutting down the whole country to protect themselves with complete disregard for the millions of poor people who would suffer severely.
And even beyond developing countries' inability to provide welfare to their citizens, there are global consequences to even just developed countries shutting down. It puts millions of people in developing countries out of work, causing them severe hardship.
This is made worse by the fact that:
"57% of Mumbai slumdwellers have Covid antibodies. Experts believe herd immunity can be achieved when around 60% of the population has been exposed to the virus. Estimated fatality rate of 0.05-0.10%" [1]. And other Indian cities have similarly low infection fatality rates (IFR) of 0.02% and 0.08%. And an IFR of 0.1% for India.
There's a popular and prevalent notion on reddit that the economy is some abstract thing that doesn't matter. As you can see above, it's not "lives vs economics", it's "lives vs other lives that will be harmed by shutting down the economy".
It's been appalling to see virtually 100% of the left-wing in the US supporting the shutdowns with the myopic mindset of "we're doing a good thing by protecting the vulnerable". And seemingly entirely ignorant and unable to think for themselves about the consequences. It's been very interesting to see this issue split down political lines in the US, with the right-wing advocating against the shutdowns and the left-wing supporting them. This mantra that I've seen before seems applicable here – "the right is evil, the left is incompetent". I'm sure other variations of that mantra may be more appropriate.
Incompetence and misinformation:
Both of these things are widespread. Including among "professionals". Assuming that every degree holder is well informed, competent, intelligent, and in agreement, is naive. Given that the reddit demographic is young, it's not surprising how common this notion is on reddit. There are major problems among professionals of all kinds: https://archive.fo/ofBvs#selection-809.0-809.1
Yes, I realize how problematic and dystopian this is. If you can't trust professionals/degree holders, it's total chaos. However, it's the reality. That reality is incredibly disturbing to me. Which is why I've spent years writing about it and trying to get people to do something to fix it. Ignoring that reality is not a fix.
Analysis: England's COVID-19 death toll is wrong. "You could have been tested positive in February, have no symptoms, then be hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a Covid death.” https://archive.vn/wip/6SXR4
Article title: "Perfectly Healthy 16-Year-Old Died Suddenly from COVID-19". Article Content: Kid was diabetic and obese. https://archive.vn/wip/i6aV2
Twitter: @Sciencing_Bi - fake professor account, claims to have died of COVID-19, blaming the university where @Sciencing_Bi supposedly worked for making people teach on campus during the pandemic https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/sciencing_bi-bethann-mclaughlin-asu/ - https://gizmodo.com/science-twitter-got-catfished-by-a-fake-professor-who-d-1844591277
(@NateSilver538): I've seen a few too many mainstream media stories of "unusual" COVID cases where the most likely explanation is a false positive or a false negative test and the article doesn't really even explore the possibility at all. https://archive.vn/jJ4hA
New York Times retracts cover story on a 26 year old ER doctor in NY said to have died of COVID-19: https://web.archive.org/web/20200528053923if_/https://twitter.com/ZacBissonnette/status/1265731575335043072 - https://archive.vn/NpreZ#selection-3251.0-3255.12
Censorship:
There are degree holders who moderate many major reddit subs, and have been corruptly, unethically, and unscientifically manipulating content. Here's one example: https://archive.vn/iQtIq
Here are other examples of moderators manipulating content on reddit in regards to COVID-19:
/r/economics censored discussions https://archive.vn/UbC0K#selection-223.18-223.19 - https://archive.vn/wip/DDwDh
Banned from /r/covid19 for pasting a link to a news article about increase in poverty due to lockdowns: https://archive.vn/Oo2yr#selection-823.0-823.1
/r/california_politics censored discussion: https://archive.vn/Dc5VT#selection-1709.9-1709.10
Then muted for 28 days after mod demonstrates complete apathy for facts, evidence, and science: https://www.scribd.com/document/472165279/r-california-politics-moderator-censorship-abuse-propaganda-complete-apathy-for-facts-evidence-and-science
That is exactly what is occurring all over reddit, and has been for years.
Coronavirus Censorship Crisis, by Matt Taibbi https://taibbi.substack.com/p/temporary-coronavirus-censorship - covers experts getting things wrong, expert & media bias and conflicting messaging, attacking questions instead of behaving scientifically, and censorship on social media.
The result of all that misinformation, censorship, and thus ignorance:
Poll:
Jul 2020 https://www.kekstcnc.com/media/2793/kekstcnc_research_covid-19_opinion_tracker_wave-4.pdf
- Poll Question: How many people in your country have had COVID-19?
- Americans Answered: 20% (66M)
- Reality: 1% (3.3M)
- Poll Question: How many people in your country have died from COVID-19?
- Americans Answered: 9% (29.5M)
- Reality: 0.04% (131K)
Americans overstated the death number by 225 times.
Despite the extremely low risks (as detailed above) for children from this virus, people are frequently using deceptive, appeal-to-emotion fallacies along the lines of "think of the children". It seems that people are doing this due to one or more of:
- Ignorance
- Self-preservation/selfishness
- Political motivations
/r/LockdownSkepticism seems to be one of the few bastions of rational, objective, independent thought and information. According to the widespread propaganda on reddit you would expect that sub to only be MAGA extremists. Yet it is not. There is a myriad of information there from highly reputable sources (including many left-leaning ones) that are nowhere to be found on other reddit subs, simply because they are contradictory to the pro-shutdown propaganda that inundates virtually everywhere else on reddit.
Top links: https://old.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/top/ - https://archive.vn/uy2KZ
Sweden:
Sweden's reaction was by far the most sensible, yet they're forced to apologize because all anyone weighs are the COVID-19 deaths, and if you dare consider any other side effects from the shutdowns you get labeled a monster. https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/06/03/top-pandemic-scientist-admits-sweden-could-have-battled-virus-better/
Ignore the headline, see the comments: https://archive.vn/wip/JcFSb
Sweden, Which Never Had Lockdown, Sees COVID-19 Cases Plummet as Rest of Europe Suffers Spike (Jul 2020) https://archive.vn/wip/eCNOU
COVID appears done in Sweden. (Jul 2020) https://archive.vn/wip/ceKJa
Epidemiologist: Sweden’s COVID Response Isn’t Unorthodox. The Rest of the World’s Is (May 2020) https://fee.org/articles/epidemiologist-sweden-s-covid-response-isn-t-unorthodox-the-rest-of-the-world-s-is/
Study between Finland and Sweden indicates school closings had no measurable impact on number of cases in children. https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/contentassets/c1b78bffbfde4a7899eb0d8ffdb57b09/covid-19-school-aged-children.pdf
The scientist behind lockdown in the UK has admitted that Sweden has achieved roughly the same suppression of coronavirus without draconian restrictions (Jun 2020) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/02/prof-lockdown-neil-ferguson-admits-sweden-used-science-uk-has/
Why Sweden’s COVID-19 Strategy Is Quietly Becoming the World’s Strategy (May 2020) https://fee.org/articles/why-sweden-s-covid-19-strategy-is-quietly-becoming-the-world-s-strategy/
Norway PM regrets taking tough coronavirus lockdown measures (Jun 2020) https://au.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-norway-pm-regrets-not-taking-sweden-approach-075607536.html
Symptoms vs cause:
What we did and have been doing for decades is ignoring the problem (public health and chronic disease), and then only reacting to and addressing the symptoms.
That is an absolutely moronic thing to do. It makes me furious. It's a massively inefficient and wasteful allocation of resources. And making others suffer because of one group of people's poor decisions is extremely problematic. Removing the consequences of people's own poor decisions will only lead to continued poor decisions, and likely even worse ones.
Only 3% of the population even bothers to live a healthy lifestyle https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/03/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/475065. And now that consequences of that show up they want everyone to suffer to protect them from the consequences of their decisions.
This applies to universal healthcare as well. Spending on healthcare would be a tiny fraction of what it currently is if the majority of the population actually bothered to try and be healthy. I'm fully in favor of universal healthcare, but actions must be taken to reduce chronic disease and general poor health. Otherwise, irresponsible people are just sucking vast amounts of resources from responsible ones.
America’s obesity epidemic threatens effectiveness of any COVID vaccine https://ctmirror.org/2020/08/09/americas-obesity-epidemic-threatens-effectiveness-of-any-covid-vaccine/
Misallocation of resources:
Far more damaging things, that impact far more people, we've been ignoring: https://old.reddit.com/r/HumanMicrobiome/comments/fx726c/borderlands_3_is_giving_out_new_loot_if_you_help/fmtlhfd/?context=3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE
Where is all the outcry (plus trillions of dollars spent, and massive economic action) about those deaths plus the massive drops in quality of life? Quality of life can be argued to be even more important than death.
“Epidemiologists have tried to quantify this sort of loss with something they call the disability-adjusted life year. Simply put, this unit measures the estimated value of the years of healthy life lost to a disease.”
If you have a million dollars, do you spend it all to save one life, or do you spend it where it will statistically have the most impact and help the most people? Do you spend it all on a life that is ending soon or a life that has a long way to go? The former is what we've been doing with COVID.
The reaction to COVID-19 is furthering an already problematic history of overspending on end of life care: https://archive.vn/UbC0K#selection-293.18-293.19
Why people who care about the environment (especially young people) should protest COVID-19 shutdowns: https://archive.vn/S1IIC
CDC Director: Threat Of Suicide, Drugs, Flu To Youth ‘Far Greater’ Than Covid (Jul 2020) https://archive.vn/wip/bXM7U
Misc:
Besides ignorance and moderator manipulation, the following might explain some of the voting patterns on reddit.
https://archive.vn/Lj518#selection-1991.10-1991.11
/u/Sphinx91:
Reddit doesn't care. Reddit would rather have everything completely shut down to avoid even one single death , and then pat themselves on their back a job well done without looking at every single unintended consequences. The clusterfuck that is waiting for us at the end of all these "lockdowns" is gonna be way more damaging than the virus itself and I'm just waiting for this ride to end.
/u/PhineasC:
The vast majority of Redditors are 15-30 year old males with no kids. They literally have zero invested in this, and in some cases actually are students themselves who want to stay home and play video games all day. This is literally the last place to get the general public viewpoint on this issue.
An entire New Zealand city shuts down due to 4 cases (not deaths) of COVID-19: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/jacinda-ardern-says-coronavirus-could-delay-new-zealand-election/12549920 and they're having trouble figuring out the source: https://www.todayonline.com/world/new-zealand-virus-outbreak-spreads-beyond-auckland
How Fear, Groupthink Drove Unnecessary Global Lockdowns https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/21/how_fear_groupthink_drove_unnecessary_global_lockdowns_143253.html
#stayathome is so popular because it can instantly transform you into a hero by literally doing nothing https://archive.vn/d3z49
As COVID-19 Cases Surge, Daily Deaths and the Case Fatality Rate Continue To Fall (Jul 2020) https://reason.com/2020/07/06/as-covid-19-cases-surge-daily-deaths-and-the-case-fatality-rate-continue-to-fall/ - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/health/coronavirus-mortality-testing.html
Many COVID-19 deaths were likely people who would have died from flu: https://archive.vn/wip/BHOvP
List of questions that pro-shutdown people need to answer: https://archive.vn/M2WHH
Preface at the end!
Rightly so, redditors frequently criticize FOX News viewers, and even Republicans in general, for being anti-science, willfully ignorant, mindless sheep. Yet the behavior on reddit around COVID-19 has shown me that redditors themselves can be guilty of all the same behavior. Hysterical, ignorant, easily manipulated, emotional, reactionary, tribe mentality.
If one needed more evidence of the consequences of the majority of the population being poorly functioning, this has surely provided it.
You can see above how much information and complexity there is. Which is why it is so appalling and alarming that the majority of reddit seems to have reduced the complexity down to "virus bad, dying bad, stay home till virus goes away".
EDIT: And from the comments and voting in this thread it seems that a majority of redditors are displaying all this same behavior I just wrote about! It seems many of them did not even bother to read this post and review the evidence prior to commenting, which is quite a common behavior on reddit. Depressingly, that's exactly what the data shows as well: Facts are increasingly useless.
I've had the unfortunate experience of seeing this occur in many other instances, including parenting and healthcare, where people are only able to process "oh my god people are dying", and entirely unable to do any sort of objective, higher level, logical cost-benefit analysis that is based on facts and statistics. Instead, they simply react emotionally and drastically. The results of which are often vastly worse than had they not reacted at all. I was almost killed multiple times due to a person I know behaving in this way, and I've written about millions of other people being harmed due to this phenomenon [1].
I wanted to make this my title, but knew it would cause immediate downvotes before people even bothered to read the content:
The overreaction to COVID-19 is the most egregious misallocation of resources I've ever heard of in the entirety of human history. Objective arguments from a left-wing perspective.
I am constantly being accused of lack of empathy & compassion, and hatefulness. I have demonstrated that these accusations are not only false, but ironically, the stances and behaviors of the people leveling those accusations are what are harmful and uncompassionate.
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