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[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Better than Odysee:
Decentralized PeerTube instances hosted by those who can, along with torrents, IPFS, etc.

Decentralize all things.

[–]NuclearBadger 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I wish everyone would just torrent and if they want paid, mention a way to do it at the end of the video.

The bay works better than all these janky websites.

[–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There needs to be a web interface for it to gain wide traction; that's simply how it is. Even if torrenting became more popular, simply announcing your Patreon or what have is much less effective if you can't put a link in a description or pinned comment below the video. Thus it becomes less attractive to content creators. You can provide a .url or readme file in the torrent, but I don't think many people will click those either.

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^

Also IPFS.

[–]Kuasocto[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What bay?

[–]NuclearBadger 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The one with pirates

[–]Drewski 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Torrents are useful for some things, but not sharing streaming videos. I think Odysee is better for this purpose as OP said.

[–]NuclearBadger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeh, i'll agree for streaming it's horrible.

[–]Kuasocto[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

its good for games, movies, manga and alike, but not streaming videos.

[–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, Odyssee over Bitchute, not just because of the problems you mentioned, but also because Bitchute practices censorship as well, so that it slowly turns into a limited hangout (although there's plenty good stuff still around). /u/Jesus has documented this censorship. I believe he was negative about Odyssee as well, though. His approach is to point out the identities of the owners, but that correlates with censorship. Take these words with a grain of salt, though, as I'm not that familiar with Odyssee and I could be misremembering what /u/Jesus said about it.

Odyssee provides the option to automatically mirror your youtube channel, so that you only need to upload it there. This is very convenient, but I feel ambiguous about it. It's a soft transition and not a boycott. If everyone has the convenience of just sticking with Youtube while it's possible, then there won't be a shift in consciousness. Odyssee itself may not get the views it otherwise would, and as a result, other content creators on that site won't get as much attention. Asha Logos takes this approach; there's no real need to view his Odyssey because it merely mirrors his Youtube channel. It's understandable, though: these people have a big following, and it's hard to predict what portion would follow them to the alternative platform if they made a complete switch.

This is a good idea, but in my opinion it should happen in a more organized way, with a dedicated website that has a write-up about the motivation for the switch, as well as a community dedicated to Odyssey (and related) content discovery where content creators can announce their switch. But then there should be a considerable number of people on that community. It'd help if the content creators would promote that community; they'd be incentivized to do so if they cared about it because of a shared set of values. That's what ultimately binds and what can help catalyze big changes.

When I reboot https://rabbithole.wf, I can create a subforum there that's dedicated to this effort, and you can moderate it. Are you interested in that?

And thanks for the channel recommendations. I wonder why they have such similar looking names. I haven't checked out the latter yet, but the former looks solid. Very well articulated.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's what it is. I was kicked off Odysee and Bitchute is owned by a Zionist, possibly crypto, who cares only about money and works directly with the David Horowitz crowd of alt-right Jews. Gab is the only censorship free program but it obviously is a honeytrap because just look at this damn photo:

https://boards.christogenea.org/filedata/fetch?photoid=78513

^ ^ ^ Torba is a crypto-Jew of Turkish descent and is not a Christian. Don't fall for it.

I have an essay of most of the alt-social medias including more obscure ones such as mewe, owned by a Libertardian Jew, which nobody uses but I've discovered that nearly every one is owned by shady people and their terms of service are ambiguous enough to allow future censorship.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

crypto-Jew of Turkish descent

i.e. a Donmeh?

[–]Kuasocto[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is a good idea, but in my opinion it should happen in a more organized way....

Yeah yeah, there SHOULD be a ton of really neat things, but those things are hard to do, we can't do them, and for some reason no one else seems to be doing them. I stopped thinking in such terms and just started seeing things for how they are and what thing I CAN actually do. It ain't much but it's something and it's at least tangible.

Also we're dealing with something super large and vague, its hard to make a community out of "video sharing". We can multiply in our heads the possibilities for internet communities all we want, or see what good things already exist and supporting and improving those. That's how I see Odysee in this whole picture.

those things about soft transition and not a boycott

think about youtube sync this way: it drains youtube of value. Value is dependent on scarcity, on supply, so when those videos are only on youtube that gives youtube their value. But if they're in 2 places at once you now can choose. Let me illustrate it with 2 examples. I was on Odysee and felt like seeing the anime OP of Girls Last Tour. It wasn't on Odysee, so I went back to youtube. Some months later I was visiting that site again and wanted to see some Elden Ring fight/guide. And I DID found some things so I stayed on Odysee just for a little longer thanks to that. And of course, the videos I saw were youtube mirrors. But they WERE there, and that's what's important.

Odysee-youtube sync takes away the exclusivity from youtube (which directly hurts it) and quickly and conveniently populates Odysee AND decentralizes where those videos can be found.

If we want a shift in consciousness then people like us would have to take on the role of annoying evangelizing spreaders of our ideas.

When I reboot https://rabbithole.wf, I can create a subforum there that's dedicated to this effort, and you can moderate it. Are you interested in that?

If you're fine with a mod that's online like twice a month then sure, lol.

Very well articulated.

I actually thought my post was quite rambly tbh.

And thanks for the channel recommendations. I wonder why they have such similar looking names. I haven't checked out the latter yet, but the former looks solid.

From Uniquenameosaurus just watch these 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnnYCJNhw7w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIM6dN3ogbk

One is mostly about patent law and how it fucks up the life of everyone, the other is a long af video about why he thinks the concept of "intellectual property" is bullshit, why copyright is bullshit, how they lead to abuse, how monetizing creativity can work without copyright and how it's ALREADY been proven to work (he's talking about crowdfunding). I don't exactly agree with everything he says, I think he misses the point that creators themselves treat their creations like property or children and they themselves want to remain in control of those things, with copyright or not. And also the aspect of respecting the creator by not making derivative works of lesser quality. If you ask me I think copyright has a tiny bit of validity. Of course not in the current form, what we have now is insanely corrupt and works directly against everything the original laws were set up for. But my reply is long enough, that's a topic for another time. Oh, also his 2 videos "you SHOULD pirate anime" are great too. They're like prequels to those later ones, he got most of his ideas and motivation from arguing with anti-piracy copyright bootlickers and proving his points by organizing a massively successful crowdfunds thus completely shitting on the copyright loyalists.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you're fine with a mod that's online like twice a month then sure, lol.

Yep, that's completely fine. PhpBB doesn't have a feature for automatic subforum creation, but I'm simulating subreddits on it. Anyone can request their own subforum and they're free to be as active or inactive as they like. I just have to make one manually.

I actually thought my post was quite rambly tbh.

Actually I mean that Theramintrees is an outspoken guy.

One is mostly about patent law and how it fucks up the life of everyone, the other is a long af video about why he thinks the concept of "intellectual property" is bullshit, why copyright is bullshit, how they lead to abuse, how monetizing creativity can work without copyright and how it's ALREADY been proven to work (he's talking about crowdfunding). I don't exactly agree with everything he says, I think he misses the point that creators themselves treat their creations like property or children and they themselves want to remain in control of those things, with copyright or not. And also the aspect of respecting the creator by not making derivative works of lesser quality. If you ask me I think copyright has a tiny bit of validity. Of course not in the current form, what we have now is insanely corrupt and works directly against everything the original laws were set up for. But my reply is long enough, that's a topic for another time. Oh, also his 2 videos "you SHOULD pirate anime" are great too. They're like prequels to those later ones, he got most of his ideas and motivation from arguing with anti-piracy copyright bootlickers and proving his points by organizing a massively successful crowdfunds thus completely shitting on the copyright loyalists.

I'll check them out. A lot of bands are benefiting from their work being pirated, and Arctic Monkeys gained their initial following from them giving CDs away for free. I'm not sure it works this way for every medium, though. I'm not sure if copyright is even a matter of being either valid or invalid. I think it's simply a choice based on the values of the people. What's disturbing is how inorganic the specifics of the current system have developed. The duration of copyright was lobbied for so Disney could milk Mickey Mouse, and the MAFIAA exist to protect the interests of the rich and they're coming after people in quite an aggressive way. I agree with you, though: even though I'd rather live in a world without copyright than in this one, I'm still open to there being limited room for copyright laws. It's the same with patents: the current system where you have patent trolls could never have been the intention, but the essential idea behind it isn't a bad one.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OP: Hey creator, come join a platform where you don't get paid!

Creator: but I make shitty click bait videos for a living