i.e. a term coined by hetero male-to-female trans identifying men.

I'd hardly call them heterosexual. Like I said, these weirdos are a pretty diverse bunch, like furries and otherkin. Also, can you name an ideology beginning with f that has long pushed social constructionism, intersectionality, critical theory, and post-modernism? These are all things that led up to this problem.

in other words, their the ones who coined the term. They don't want to take hormones, or make any changes to their bodies. Which was my point: transgenders who attack feminists (particularly females, as shown by none attacking or "girl"dick pic-ing John Cleese in his twitter feed. https://twitter.com/JohnCleese/status/1281045745492246530 Unlike JK Rowling, who offered to make a coffee table book out of 'em. You claimed in your previous reply that feminists dug the hole. But there is no hole, except the same old misogyny and men's rights people claiming victim-hood, males who claim they have a right to female-only spaces. What male has Polycystic ovary syndrome? And yet reddit shut down r/pcos forum, kicked out the actual female mods and installed trans-identifying men in their place as ned moderators. Men who don't have ovaries at all. The admins of reddit did that.

Mens rights is predominantly a centre or right viewpoint. Can you explain how they're somehow to blame for a feminism being challenged by their ideological fellow travellers? Do you really think that mens rights types are fond of post-modernism, critical theory, and social constructionist ideas? No, not really. Feminism on the other hand has these things as its building blocks. Just go search the literature and you'll see that feminists and other left-wing identitarians are the champions of these things.

Males defending males. How original and never seen before in all of history. In fact, trans males complain about threats if they were to use a mens restroom... they never name where that threat is coming from. It's other men who are a threat to them. Not women.

No, you really don't understand this. Yes, men are a physical threat, as that's the default. Men are more prone to causing serious injury or death through violence. Fortunately a tiny percentage. The real threat to these people is from women. Like I said earlier, they want to be accepted as women, and the most important acceptance must come from women. They want to use facilities for women, and men have little say in that. MTF transgendered people show significantly higher rates of what we'd consider to be homosexuality based on the gender identity they claim. I'm sure you've seen the complaints that lesbians don't want to fuck a guy in a wig? It's probably no coincidence that a significant number of adolescents who express gender dysphoria, yet grow out of it, turn out to be gay. Men aren’t defending these people. It’d be more accurate to say that adherents to identity politics are, and feminism has been a founding member of that ideology.

Women are the threat to them, and that's why lesbians and women in general are seeing the greatest vitriol from these people. Think about it for a moment. If you wanted to become German, whose opinion matters the most to you? French people? I'd suggest you recognise that and respond accordingly if you want to protect women. In general, you'd do far better in this fight if you recognise feminism's genetic connection to this movement. If you keep believing this is some kind of patriarchal plot then you will not be able to fight them effectively and must instead get used to either subservience to them or becoming a fringe of feminists declared anathema by the rest of your larger identitarian movement. To be clear, I agree with you that they are not women. Biologically and psychologically it's nonsense. I don't want them using spaces where women expect privacy, such as toilets and changing rooms. I don't think men or women should be forced or compelled to accept transgender people as the gender they claim. We simply disagree on the root cause, thus we cannot agree on the means by which this movement can be attacked. Any attack I'd make is most likely going to apply to feminism and all other left-wing identitarian movements.

Edit: removed the weird paragraph on gay stuff. Not sure where I was going with that. Men in dresses are confusing.