GC: If GC achieves it’s goal around trans issues, what happens to trans people?

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[–]just_lesbian_things 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

No, I'm equally concerned about prison abuse of any man, regardless of how they identify.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Maybe you should reach out to other men and see if you can't get a movement going where men agree to not rape each other.

You can’t pretend that isn’t a joke.

Prison rape is a horrific abuse and a real problem even for cis men.

Trans women are just uniquely vulnerable.

[–]just_lesbian_things 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

You can’t pretend that isn’t a joke.

I'm serious. Men need to have a conversation with other men about ending male-on-male rape. Prison rape is horrible for all men, stop viewing other men as less worthy of safety.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

They aren’t less worthy of safety. They’re less vulnerable.

And asking someone not to rape you isn’t how you stop rape. That was a flippant joke and I think very inappropriate.

[–]just_lesbian_things 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

They’re less vulnerable.

Nah, GNC men are equally vulnerable, regardless of how they identify.

asking someone not to rape you isn’t how you stop rape

It's how women are working on it. If you've got a better solution, we're all ears.

That was a flippant joke and I think very inappropriate.

You're entitled to your interpretation.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Nah, GNC men are equally vulnerable, regardless of how they identify.

This is literally just not true. Gnc men are stronger than trans women because of hormones at least. Plus the added element of potential attractiveness or easier surrogacy in a prison setting.

[–]just_lesbian_things 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Gnc men are stronger than trans women because of hormones at least.

Lots of things factor into strength, hormones is only one aspect.

Plus the added element of potential attractiveness

Lol, men look like men. Special feelings don't change that.

Still waiting to hear your excellent solutions for ending male-on-male rape.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Some trans women pas. Even if they didn’t having breasts and no penis makes a prison rapist more likely to target you since you at least look less like a man.

As to male on male rape

Punishing it, removing the stigma of reporting being a victim, separating vulnerable men without solitary confinement.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Why can’t your solution for all other males be applied to transwomen?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It can. Don’t house trans women with men. Punish men who rape us.