GC: If GC achieves it’s goal around trans issues, what happens to trans people?

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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You’ve thought about this a lot. :)

Gatekeeping can’t ever really be perfect, but maybe it could be good enough to help.

But would you feel the same if documents either weren' t changed or were changed in a way that didn' t make women' s spaces more dangerous?

I’d feel a lot better about it.

But that too isn' t a perfect science: some abusers are way smarter than the gatekeepers who would analyse them.

That’s true, sadly. There was more gatekeeping years back, but there were still abusers who managed to move through that system.

However, I am not a fan of surgeries that are not done to fix a medical problem in general. I just really dislike the idea of going under surgery because you want to and not because you need to, and with "need to" I mean having a physical issue that can be proven and measurable. And I dislike the idea that spread in the past few years that surgery is just not that big of a deal. That includes hysterectomies, they aren' t an exception just because I am pro-body autonomy and reproductive rights. I am not trying to ban those surgeries and I would never dream of fighting against them: I just don' t like them and the attitude lots of supporters have.

I understand feeling that way about elective surgery. I’m sure I would too if I like I wasn’t like I was and it’s difficult to imagine doing anything like that now. It’s sort of crazy when you think about it because your body works, but people still have reasons for wanting them even when it’s not something like dysphoria. Sometimes I wonder if maybe some therapy or something before some elective surgeries even that weren’t gender related just so they could establish it wasn’t a dysmorphia thing?

You can' t force social acceptance on people, and the way the trans community is behaving is not helping at all in the long run. I think it' s just going to create resentment and distrust: forcing someone to like you is never going to make anyone actually like you. Everyone who felt victimized by this attitude will revolt the second they can, and the ones who don' t care about the issue are just going to take the side that seems like it' s winning.

Agree. It will hurt us all eventually. It’s painful to watch it happen.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You’ve thought about this a lot. :)

LOL, I have been thinking about the issues with transitioning since I peaked: it was 4 years ago, it is a long time to think about stuff.

I have been thinking about the issues with the medical community since I started college and realized I was going to be part of that community: that' s even longer than the aformentioned 4 years.

And to be perfectly honest, I have been thinking about the issues with humans for even longer than that! :P

Gatekeeping can’t ever really be perfect, but maybe it could be good enough to help.

Definitely: like everything else, humans control everything, so the only thing we can do is hoping that the ones in charge can make it better by being a bit more objective. I am not optimistic, I don' t see people starting to be better any time soon. But I guess everything is possible.

Sometimes I wonder if maybe some therapy or something before some elective surgeries even that weren’t gender related just so they could establish it wasn’t a dysmorphia thing?

It could definitely help. And yes, for non-gender dysphoria related things as well. All the people who get cosmetic surgery give the impression of being in desperate need of talking to someone.