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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lolthisisgonnabeyouknowwhosshiningmoment

My answer would be they aren’t. I suppose the biologically/natal females are because they are female. But trans people as a whole? marginalized? yes. Oppressed? hell no, absolutely not.

[–]worried19 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think they're marginalized. So are GC women, but the experience of being gender critical in New York City is going to be particularly negative. That's one of the "wokest" places on earth. Most of the country is not so liberal. I wouldn't want to be trans in a conservative state. Their experiences are not pleasant.

What worries me is the aggressiveness of no-platforming and cancel culture. It's reached beyond the woke enclaves like your city and spread out to the rest of the world. Even if no one would fire me for being GC where I live, I was still affected by the Reddit banwave. I'm still affected by the media's pushing of affirmation of transgender children and the erasure of GNC women.

[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

All the crying wolf that we hear, especially levied at women, doesn't change the fact that genuine prejudice against trans people still exists. But most of the prejudice they receive is actually prejudice against gender non-conformity, which doesn't affect trans people exclusively.

Imagine a gay man who can't for the life of him pass as straight even if he is silent, even in a photograph, he'd experience homophobia, which is a form of oppression closely related to the oppression practically all trans-women have experienced. It wasn't even that long ago when trans-women & gay men were lumped together.

That having been said, there seems to be way more acceptance of & support for trans children than gay & lesbian children.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It wasn't even that long ago when trans-women & gay men were lumped together.

It is still done very often in post-USSR. And some countries (like Russia, for example) are showing in propaganda news transwomen and drag queens while saying "all gays are like that, we don't want western gay ideology to convert our people to this". Mostly transgenders here are attacked by homophobes for homophobia reasons, same as feminine gays like me or other GNC people.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I lost my job for being trans and was jobless for months and ultimately homeless as a direct result of me being trans.

My family disowned me. As did the vast majority of my friends.

I have been physically attacked (for using a men’s room no less) and knew that I couldn’t call the police because I would be arrested on pretense if I did.

I live in constant fear of being attacked for being trans. I am regularly verbally accosted for just existing in public.

It is potentially legal to deny even emergency medical care to use because you don’t like trans people In light of trump’s executive order on the subject. We have no housing discrimination protections.

We exist in a state of having less legal protections than any other minority group I am aware of. Lgb is close but there are a few states that have protections for lgb people but not for us.

[–]pollyesther[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I lost my job for being trans and was jobless for months and ultimately homeless as a direct result of me being trans.

I would most certainly lose my job for posting on my social media trans women are still biologically male and trans men are biological females. So I guess it goes both ways.

My family disowned me. As did the vast majority of my friends.

Most of my friends disowned me for expressing GC views.

I have been physically attacked (for using a men’s room no less) and knew that I couldn’t call the police because I would be arrested on pretense if I did.

If you were born female you're more than welcome to use the women's room.

It is potentially legal to deny even emergency medical care to use because you don’t like trans people In light of trump’s executive order on the subject.

According to the federal Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act a hospital cannot deny you emergency medical care for any reason.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If you were born female you're more than welcome to use the women's room.

I’m a trans woman. My point was I was beaten up for being where you say I should be.

According to the federal Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act a hospital cannot deny you emergency medical care for any reason.

And according to the executive order Trump issued, providers can deny care to trans people based on their own religious beliefs. Couching it in religious terms at minimum creates a defense against an ensuing lawsuit. That’s why I said “potentially legal.“

[–]worried19 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And according to the executive order Trump issued, providers can deny care to trans people based on their own religious beliefs.

They can deny emergency care? That doesn't seem right. It's one thing if a Christian doctor won't prescribe hormones, but he or she should still be obligated to treat a trans person's heart attack or stroke or other serious medical ailment.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It’s unclear given the conflict. It would probably in theory be illegal to deny emergency care but impossible to win the lawsuit.

However they could absolutely deny routine nonemergency care like a flu shot or getting an antibiotic for a sinus infection or strep throat.

[–]worried19 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's definitely not right. We need medical protections for all people. If you go to a doctor, you should expect to get quality care.

It's understandable if a doctor isn't capable of handling a trans-specific medical issue. But just to deny it because they disapprove is wrong.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. It’s one of the big weaknesses in trans rights at this point and one Trump essentially created since the ACA had anti-discrimination rules covering us, that’s the reason for the executive order trump wrote.

[–]IceColdLover 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would say trans people are socially excluded and on the outside of society but they are not systematically oppressed, at least not at this point.