GC: What is the best or most important thing trans people or transsexuals can do to help you?

submitted by peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS from self.GCdebatesQT

This question has come up or been answered various times, but I’ve never asked it directly and I’m curious if everyone answers it the same way. Let’s say that we’re already transitioned and probably won’t detrans or retrans.

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (177 children)

Stop anything that even comes close to compelled speech, stop lying on legal documents, be clear that you’re trans outside of professional environments (I’m sorry- I think friends in addition to lovers have a right to know because it could change what people are comfortable talking to you about and other things- tbc, this doesn’t mean go up to a bartender in a bar and say “hi! I’m trans let me get a gin and tonic” it means in personal relationships people should have a right to know- I wold never speak to someone again if I confided in them thinking they were female and later found out they were not, for a few reasons) and leave women’s/female rights, sports, and spaces entirely alone. Also- any claims made publicly (whether it’s saying TW aren’t safe in men’s bathrooms, suicide rates, or even comparisons to intersex conditions etc) should be required to be cited and proven instead of just stated as if it’s fact.

And leave children alone to grow and develop naturally- no hormones no blockers no surgery- let them grow up and figure things out without being influenced.

Obligatory “not all trans people do these things”

Basically do what you gotta do for you but don’t force or drag anyone into participating unless they want to

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Out yourself to your friends.should I give them my medical history? Mental health checks? Criminal record as well?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m sorry-Did I say that?

I mean, if your criminal history is something like you raped women or molested children then yeah- i’d like to know that. If you have a history of stealing from your friends or neighbors- it would be helpful to know so I could hide my valuables from you. If you’re a dealer I’d send clients your way all day. If you have Corona or something else contagious it would be nice to be told. If you have severe mental health issues then I’m sure it would become apparent but I would understand someone confiding that to me. But please show me where the fuck I asked for medical records, mental health checks, or criminal records? Surely you realize that being a criminal, having an illness- mental or physical- is completely different from being a whole ass man/male and pretending you aren’t? Surely you realize that you can open your mouth and say “I’m a trans wo/man” without giving me medical history, deadnaming yourself, or showing me your penis? Why do y’all always get so fucking dramatic about this? You don’t need to show people your hormone prescriptions or before and after pictures- just be fucking honest. I swear trans people (mostly TW) act like honesty is the worst policy and it can get so rapey and so invasive. Why would you want to be friends with someone who may be transphobic or who won’t be comfortable around you if they knew? It’s so weird to me.

I will talk to my female friend who has been to prison, has cancer, or is bipolar about things that I would never talk to a male friend about. Just like I would go to my male friends about things I’d not go to female friends about.

This is such an odd response that makes no sense. Yes- I would prefer to know if I’m talking to a man or a woman about certain personal things. And talking to a man/male that doesn’t let me know he’s a man/male, if I found out the truth, I would feel invaded and mislead, whether that man/male is a criminal or not.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for your response! I hope I do most of those things.

I appreciate you giving your honest opinion on friends too. I do have some friends who know, but, with one exception who I came out to, they are friends I’ve know since grade school, so they know since they knew me before. I’ve sort of though about it like a medical history thing more than something really important about me now, but I understand others might not see if that way and I appreciate your perspective. I don’t want to make anyone participate in anything they don’t want to, but I’m not always sure what that means for me. I have a hard time with the idea that I should be marked as trans in some way because that seems othering and that I would make things difficult, but I feel like the more I have these conversations it seems like that is what many GC people want (even if they want me to be the one to do it).

[–]comradeconradical 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm curious, though- isn't being trans inherently being an 'other'? As in, rejecting your birth sex and attempting to assimilate with a sex that you aren't? Is it really so wrong to acknowledge the fact that your life and experiences are those of a trans person rather than a 'cis' person? And does it need to be a bad thing?

I think all GC would be happy if transwomen would admit they are transwomen, not women, and therefore there are many aspects of being female that do not and cannot apply to them.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being trans is like being an other sort of, but it doesn’t always have to be that way socially.

Speaking only for myself, my childhood was really tough due to being how I was, but once I was allowed to pass as a girl/women things were better for me and I was able to just focus on living my life. I was suddenly accepted without having to try to change myself or be hurt by others. It allowed me to have a relatively normal life. I just don’t know if it would be the same if I had to be out as trans to everyone.

There are differences between someone like me and a natal female and also transwomen more generally and women. I don’t mind acknowledging that. Transwomen should not insist we are women. I’m just scared of giving up the only way of living my life that’s ever worked for me (that is, being a woman socially because I’m read as female).

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (167 children)

Also- any claims made publicly (whether it’s saying TW aren’t safe in men’s bathrooms, suicide rates, or even comparisons to intersex conditions etc) should be required to be cited and proven instead of just stated as if it’s fact.

You realize this is basically impossible ethically right?

Like in order to prove trans women were in danger, which we all already know, we would have to purposefully put them to harm. Trans women don’t use men’s rooms because we all know it isn’t safe.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (157 children)

If there’s evidence of transwomen being in danger then you don’t need new cases- you should be able to actually show some type of proof from the past- that’s literally what the claim is based on now- things that would’ve had to have happened already for you to even claim the need to be protected from? And, if that proof already exists- why can’t you cite it now? Unless you’re saying that this whole time, transwomen have been invading female spaces based only on the assumption that they aren’t safe in the men’s room?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (154 children)

Also- according to my answer it wouldn’t matter what you cited- female spaces would remain solely for females. This would really only apply to other claims made.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (153 children)

Us not being safe in men’s rooms was an example claim you brought up.

I didn’t take up the rest of your answer because it amounts to be obviously out to everyone and in as much Danger as possible as well as constantly humiliated and just to make sure, no matter how early or how sure you want us to go through puberty to make our bodies as disgusting and obvious as possible.

That about cover it?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (152 children)

It was one of a few and I think the only reason you cling to it so hard is because it’s the only thing you can effectively cite proof of. But if you’re safety hinges on undermining the rights and needs of so many others maybe your community needs to deeply reevaluate some of your stances and the things you’re demanding from people who have nothing to do with you.

And yes- I do want to stop you from being able to abuse children and use them as little science experiments. So I guess that does cover it!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (151 children)

But if you’re safety hinges on undermining the rights and needs of so many others maybe your community needs to deeply reevaluate some of your stances and the things you’re demanding from people who have nothing to do with you.

So your safety matters but ours doesn’t?

I was 14 the first time I got the courage to tell someone. If I had been able to act then I wouldn’t be stuck as a freak now. I could have lived a normal life. But you want to take that chance away.

I don’t know if you even realize it but every one of your demands in your original reply is a way to make sure trans women can’t pass and can’t live a normal life.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (150 children)

Lmao way to ineffectively twist my words. I didn’t say your safety doesn’t matter- I said, as I’ve said so many times- it’s not our responsibility to protect you or be used by you as shields. Period. It is on you and your community to figure out your safety needs in a way that doesn’t infringe on the rights and spaces of others. Women/females have nothing to do with you, we are not the same, our needs are different. Figure out safety measures that don’t include invading the safe spaces of another marginalized group. Just as women did for their safe spaces. Copy them in this, if you need to. You copy so much else. As far as you being 14 when you knew whatever you knew about yourself- I still choose not to stunt the growth and development of and sterilize children. Sorry if that upsets you. And I don’t care if transwomen pass or not. Has nothing to do with me or my rights.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (149 children)

It is on you and your community to figure out your safety needs in a way that doesn’t infringe on the rights and spaces of others. Women/females have nothing to do with you, we are not the same, our needs are different. Figure out safety measures that don’t include invading the safe spaces of another marginalized group. Just as women did for their safe spaces. Copy them in this, if you need to. Y’all copy so much else.

As I’ve explained to you numerous times, we can’t do it like natal women did. The numbers, resources, and societal position are different.

I knew way before I was 14. But I was too scared to talk about it.

And if at that time I would have gotten the medical care I needed I wouldn’t be stuck as Trans Quasimodo Now. I could have had a real life and that’s what you are so dead set on depriving us of.

And I don’t care if transwomen pass or not.

Except you do since literally all of your demands are just make sure trans women can’t hide so they are misearable pariah.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (145 children)

all your demands...to make sure transwomen...miserable pariah

Actually transwomen aren’t the most important people to women, and it’s more about self protection. you’re obsessed with the idea of being victimised every second of the day but this does not mean women are out to hurt your feelings. Your hurt feelings are merely a byproduct of the goal, which is to protect women.

Idk why this remains incomprehensible to you. Feminists do not target you.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

  1. You not being able to find another solution doesn’t make what you’re doing to women and our spaces justified. You are undermining and invading our safe spaces.

  2. I don’t support abusing children in the name of gender identity. It doesn’t matter what you say- I’m never going to support it and will always protest it

  3. If women maintaining our rights and spaces and language causes so many issues for transwomen that just highlights how abusive and unfair towards women your community is. That’s not on women or me. That’s on transwomen. I will never feel bad about what repercussions upholding female rights has on any male.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I cited proof of increased sexual assault in the one context people Can be forced to comply with using sex based restrooms. Everyone knows trans women aren’t safe in men’s rooms. I’ve told you about my personal experience being assaulted in them.

How many of us have to be hurt exactly?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Already addressed it- when you make a claim, show evidence. Which you did. Didn’t say you need to cite new stories, the old ones would suffice. I also made it clear that’s it’s not just about the bathrooms (which would be irrelevant), it’s ANY claim that is stated as fact or scientific. We can keep going back and forth but it already feels like a waste of time if you can’t get off of the bathroom thing.

[–]DistantGlimmer 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If transwomen are made unsafe sharing spaces with males then why exactly is there no danger with having transwomen in women's spaces? I know you at least acknowledge transwomen are male so how are transwomen different from other males in regards to danger? Most seem to just accept that transwomen do not pose the same threat of violence as other males do but no proof is ever offered that transwomen undergo different socialization than other males (remember many go through an entire childhood at least before they start transitioning so why the difference?).

As LoveSloane said above. More fact-based assertions and less suppositions based on wishful thinking would be good.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That’s a much better way to word it

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If transwomen are made unsafe sharing spaces with males then why exactly is there no danger with having transwomen in women's spaces? I know you at least acknowledge transwomen are male so how are transwomen different from other males in regards to danger?

Trans women are less physically capable of harm than men as well as being less violent.

https://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

That is the comments of if of the authors of the infamous Swedish study. Of note:

This means that for the 1989 to 2003 group, we did not find a male pattern of criminality.

[–]DistantGlimmer 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is one study with very small sample size. I think there are issues with using a small study like that to "prove" anything either on the TRA or GC side. I am looking for an explanation of why males would be less violent just because they self-identified as transgender. Transwomen may be less physically strong than the statistically strongest men but they are still certainly physically capable of violence against women and girls.

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It’s the best study available.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

But for the record this study indicates that trans women of school age forced to used men’s facilities report a huge increase in being sexually assaulted as compared to those who don’t.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/143/6/e20182902

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I love how you make a comment saying that doing exactly this is somehow wrong lol

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah. Those trans women were forced to use the wrong facilities and lo and behold they were assaulted more. We learned nothing we didn’t already know and trans women were hurt.

How exactly would you conduct this research without harming trans women by having them be victimized?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You don’t have to conduct it- I said cite it. Which is what you did... what are you not getting? And like I said it doesn’t matter in my answer, safe or not, women’s restrooms wouldn’t be an option. The women’s room is the wrong facility.

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Legal documents are a necessity for us to be able to live our lives in stealth without transness being a constant part of it. Obviously partners should be told, and doctors should know (through medical records), but friends and random strangers don't have a right to know if someone is trans.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don’t really care how you justify falsifying documents lol. It shouldn’t be legal. And yes women do have a right to know if they are speaking to a man or a woman.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Based on what ? You have a right to know what someone's genitals are ? That's not exactly public information. Like I agree that trans ppl shouldn't barge into spaces they aren't welcome in, but that doesn't mean y'all get to make us eternally visible to the public and unable to live as normal human beings. Legal documents do not necessarily use the same definition of sex as you do. What reason is there to even have that information on an ID that isn't medical? In a medical situation records can be looked up but a bartender or employer doesn't get to automatically know what sex you are.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think what I think and you think what you want. I don’t think it should ever be legal to lie on legal documents. And it’s a slap in the face to actual female people.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (88 children)

Don’t speak for women, and stop speaking over us. Don’t ask women to be a shield against other men. Accept that women are a seperate group to which transwomen do not belong. Speak up against the activists who perpetuate misogyny like Blaire white does with fish comments or transhumanist creeps who act like they are owed women’s reproductive systems. Basically do what the other men are supposed to do and leave us alone.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (70 children)

Accept that women are a seperate group to which transwomen do not belong.

I would phrase it as "accept that GC women are a...". I am a cis woman who doesn't mind being grouped with trans women and I do not agree with GC views. Many cis women don't.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (69 children)

Nah I’m good. Your choice to gargle gender koolaid does not make males any closer to females.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (68 children)

Yes but don't pretend you speak for all females. Many women are not gender critical and don't agree with these views.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (67 children)

Can you stop speaking over women who don’t believe in the same god as you and just let us speak instead?

You are adding nothing other than “not all women” and it’s obnoxious when it’s not relevant or actually contributing anything. The question was about what gc women want and you still gotta bring up how some women just love gender so much.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (66 children)

Can you stop speaking over women who don’t believe in the same god as you and just let us speak instead?

I'm not. You can believe in whatever god you want. Yes, this question was aimed at GC women, not all women. You could have specified you were speaking for GC women and not for all women.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why should I need to when I’m answering for gc women. You just can’t help but interject your lord and saviour even when it’s totally irrelevant and uncalled for. Go away and annoy literally anyone else.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're right.

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So you gonna stop speaking over us now or what?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (62 children)

So you’re completely fine with alllll of the girls and women who don’t feel like it’s right to have transwomen forced on us having our safe spaces invaded and our rights stripped from us? That’s kind of what you’re saying. That just because maybe half (that’s being incredibly generous) of females are comfortable with men undoing the women rights movement all for the sake of the Almighty Gender- the rest of us just have to suffer and deal? You have zero consideration for GC females and females that don’t even know the term gc but still think trans ideology is wrong

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (61 children)

I respect females who don't agree with the trans ideology. But many females (more than half) are supportive of trans people. I'll support spaces for women who don't agree with the trans ideology.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (60 children)

So, you want three spaces? One for males, one for females who are gc, and one for non gc females and select males?

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

And it is always women, who need to share.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Lmao “hey lady use the terf toilets! We don’t accept gender atheists here’l

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (56 children)

We can have 2 spaces. One for everyone and one for cis females, who have the option of choosing which space.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Accept that women are a seperate group to which transwomen do not belong.

Do you feel like it’s bad or a boundary violation if someone who isn’t female passes as woman? I’m just trying to understand.

I’m not that familiar with Blaire White, but comments like that are very offensive and hurtful to me. Transhumanists and people with those tendencies all just seem like creepy narcissists, but sadly they seem common in online trans spaces.

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At the end of the day if a man passes as a woman and I don’t know, I don’t know. I’m not happy about it in theory but it’s something that happens and at the end of the day when people read you as a woman it’s just easier to use the women’s loo and I’m not gonna fight anyone about that.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It is a boundary violation imo. Absolutely yes.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Oh dear! Okay, thanks..

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I understand that there’s risk to outing yourself- my whole thing is, does the risk of outing yourself or othering yourself matter more than the personal boundaries of others? I feel like so many issues concerning transwomen come down to dismissing or respecting the boundaries of others. I also think the goal of trans people should be acceptance of trans people rather than concealment, but that’s a different conversation.

Eta- a TW friend being upfront with me would indicate to me that they respect my boundaries. Me finding out somehow that a friend of mine is a TW would indicate to me that they disregard those boundaries. This is just my perspective tho

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I understand that there’s risk to outing yourself- my whole thing is, does the risk of outing yourself or othering yourself matter more than the personal boundaries of others? I feel like so many issues concerning transwomen come down to dismissing or respecting the boundaries of others.

I don’t know... I hadn’t really thought that was violating a boundary for being perceived a certain way. It’s weird to think about because it not something you are actively doing, it’s happening because you are not actively making it not happen (if that makes sense).

I also think the goal of trans people should be acceptance of trans people rather than concealment, but that’s a different conversation.

Yeah, I feel that is like a major conversation. I’ve always appreciated that I was able to not be visible (and even not really think about it) because I feel like it helped someone like me have a better life, especially years back when there really no push for acceptance.

Eta- a TW friend being upfront with me would indicate to me that they respect my boundaries. Me finding out somehow that a friend of mine is a TW would indicate to me that they disregard those boundaries. This is just my perspective tho

Thanks for explaining! I only have one experience of coming out to a friend (and that’s an odd story) so I don’t know how everyone feels or would feel about it.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess I feel like I’m thinking about it from the perspective of the person who would be being mislead (intentionally or not), not the person who would be concealing (intentionally or not). Again, there may be some people who feel differently, I just feel that personally, I think it would feel invasive and, depending on what was discussed, borderline voyeuristic. I get how a TW wouldn’t see it that way, but I can’t help but see it that way.

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White is an extremely right wing trans woman with a rep for bashing other trans women and trying to leverage the fact she is attractive with why she is an okay trans women unlike the rest.

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Go say this to the tras who support him then.

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What?

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Go tell tras who support and love blaire that he’s an asshole, not us. We know he’s a pos. Inform your peers of how he’s harmful to women and to transwomen.

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I... I literally just told a trans woman who didn’t know who she was that she was a right winger with bad behavior. That’s what you responded to.

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Cool. Go do that more in trans spaces.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay, thanks for explaining! Misogyny going with being right wing makes sense. Right wingers also love people who criticize in their own group if it’s a minority one, so... 🤷‍♀️

[–]catoborosnonbinary 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Blaire White is also transmed and has had plenty of nasty things to say about nonbinary people. Despite that, I am often entertained by her and agree with some of her positions.

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Transmed doesn’t have to be exclusive of non-binary people. I myself am transmed but have no issue with dysphoric non-binary people.

That being said she is a mouthpiece for conservative ideas and has engaged in full on purposeful misinformation like just this month when she told her followers (incorrectly and obvious given even a tiny bit of research) that Janae Croc competed against women leading to Janae being harassed for something she never did.

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I saw snippets of Blaire's apology, so she seems to have remorse.

[–]worried19 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I would say speak out about de-platforming. Cancel culture is particularly vicious towards women right now. Even a woman with as much money and fame as J.K. Rowling is being threatened with rape and death, as well as attacks on her work. If she were less powerful, activists would succeed in silencing her.

I would also speak out about child transition. If you disagree with it, be vocal. And voice support for detransitioners who are treated negatively despite the fact that they've done nothing wrong. Of course there are lots of other issues, but these happen to be the ones that I care most about.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I strongly agree with everything you said. Those are really important issues.

[–]FlanJam 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Listen more and be more understanding of people's concerns. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a "terf". Also be more vocal about denouncing the problematic aspects of your community. Be more nuanced in addressing issues like cotton ceiling or detrans rather than brushing it under the rug.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing! Those are all important.