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[–]SnowAssMan 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

WTF are you talking about? Androgenisation is something the male body undergoes during puberty. It gives them a physical advantage that cannot be undone by HRT. And no, what I am talking about does not occur in the female players. Plus, everyone already knows that women with elevated testosterone are typically not allowed to compete in women's sports competitions. So if they can reject literal women who have been considered to have a biological advantage, of course they can reject trans-womxyn.

Why the f*ck would someone like Caitlyn Jenner who could win gold in men's sports not just play men's sports? Why on Earth should they be playing in women's sports instead? You haven't answered that question yet.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jul/19/transwomen-face-potential-womens-rugby-ban-over-safety-concerns :

As World Rugby’s working group notes, players who are assigned male at birth and whose puberty and development is influenced by androgens/testosterone “are stronger by 25%-50%, are 30% more powerful, 40% heavier, and about 15% faster than players who are assigned female at birth (who do not experience an androgen-influenced development).”

Crucially those advantages are not reduced when a trans women takes testosterone-suppressing medication, as was previous thought - “with only small reductions in strength and no loss in bone mass or muscle volume or size after testosterone suppression”.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why the f*ck would someone like Caitlyn Jenner who could win gold in men's sports not just play men's sports? Why on Earth should they be playing in women's sports instead? You haven't answered that question yet.

I will add this: http://boysvswomen.com/#/

If trained boys and male teens are able to beat all time women olympic records, then what about well trained male after years ot trainings?

There nothing strange about that transwoman in USA, who only after 6 months of training, first time ever in their life - have beaten all USA women records in powerlifting in their weight category.

And we should not forget that advantage of males not only in muscle mass and from puberty, even not undergone puberty males are still have advantages - because of bones structure (females need to spend more energy to run because of skeletal structure, same structure why we have "hisp sway": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEZrNLagwls), because of bigger lungs, because of 40% faster oxygenisation (so easier to sprint and faster breath recovery), faster metabolism, bigger heart and faster blood pumping through organism (so even more faster oxigenation) - if speaking about male and female of same height and weight. And if consider that males on average 10-20% taller and bigger, than those advantages are even bigger. And it is just speaking about BASIC structure of body, not talking about muscular mass, bone density, and other changes coming during puberty or from high testosterone levels.

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The simple fact of the matter is that there are people whom you would consider female who have more athletic prowess/potential than other people whom you would consider male and that it would be unfair for the latter group to compete against the latter. That’s unsurprising though as all sports are inherently unfair.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah yes, olympic level trained females can be stronger than some untrained males, but in sports there in question - trained males, not untrained males.

Even on Veritasium show, when he is untrained man, was learning how to properly run from woman olympic finalist, he almost beat her time in 100m and 200m. And he only trained 2 weeks.