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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think its just something activists came up with to influence public opinion. TWAW doesn't make sense in any real way.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

I always thought it was related to the concept of “gender identity”. Like, if they “identify” as a woman then they are one. But it doesn’t make sense at all lol.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

'Gender identity' was appropriated by the trans movement from sociology. In sociology a trans-woman's gender identity is male via socialisation, their attempts at re-socialisation reveal as much. Their eventual failure of escaping the gender they were conditioned to be (see my previous post on this sub) also reveals that it cannot be undone & redone differently.

It's the same way the movement appropriated 'assigned sex' from intersex disorders. No one's sex is assigned, except those whose sex is ambiguous.

All of this in order to appropriate the word 'woman'.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know. I’m saying because they believe in gender identity that’s where I thought they took the leap to say TWAW. As in- “i identify as a woman, therefore I am a woman”. I don’t I agree with them, I was just answering the question. There are some who claim to be women despite no attempt at transition- because they “identify” as a woman. It’s all bullshit, it’s just where I always thought TWAW came from.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The movement refers to 'gender identity' in order to sound official, when it is actually referring to preferred sex or self identification. TRAs just monopolise the conversation & the more feminists that fall victim to their witch hunt the easier that becomes.

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And even when sex is assigned to people with VSD - it is a medical malpractice, which is almost never happening anymore.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

'Gender identity' was appropriated by the trans movement from sociology.

Proof?

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gender identity according to sociology:

"Socialization theory offers a straightforward account of the acquisition of gendered identities. Infants are seen as blank slates, waiting to be written down on by their environment [...]

[...] Reinforcement (through rewarding gender-appropriate behavior and punishing what may seem as deviant behavior) socializes children into their genders [...]

[...] For example, are far more likely to engage with their sons in rough physical play than they are with their daughters, and it has been argued that long-term consequences may follow (in this case, a head start for boys in the development of physical violence and aggressiveness) [...]

[...] These types of influences can include parental attitudes and difference of treatment regarding male and female children [...]

[...] A study of infants aged 13 months found that when boys demand attention - by behaving aggressively, or crying, whining or screaming - they tended to get it. By contrast, adults tended to respond to girls only when they used language, gestures, or gentle touches; girls who used attention-seeking techniques were likely ignored. There was little difference in the communicative patterns at the start of the study, but by the age of two, the girls have become more talkative and boys more assertive in their communicative techniques"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology_of_gender#Gender_and_socialization

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

So you assert that male socialization is inescapable and that men are a constant threat then? Given that male socialization is inevitably anti trans, do you the accept that trans women need to be protected from men?

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

lol all men need to be protected from men. Does that make them women? Given that male socialisation is *invariably homophobic, do you then accept that gay men need to be protected from men?

What form should this "protection" take? Chanting "gay men are women" & advocating for their inclusion in women's sports, prisons, medicine, shelters etc?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

lol all men need to be protected from men. Does that make them women?

Trans women aren’t men but yes, straight cis men are brutal animals who can’t be trusted.

Given that male socialisation is *invariably homophobic, do you then accept that gay men need to be protected from men?

Yes.

What form should this "protection" take? Chanting "gay men are women" & advocating for their inclusion in women's sports, prisons, medicine, shelters etc?

Protective rights. Protective housing in prison. Dedicated medical and community resources.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Trans women aren’t men

Citation needed.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

It’s a semantic question. You can’t just cite to a study. It’s definitional.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Why are you so sure that they aren't men? You must have a reason. What source are you drawing from when you say that trans-womxyn aren't men?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Because we treat “man” as having a social component. We tell someone to “be a man” and it implies a behavioral command. Common usage includes a behavioral component. Male has no such implication.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

But where is this elusive definition you keep eluding to? The "social component" of 'man' is called masculinity, or a masculine gender role. You keep saying "definitional" while stressing connotation. The connotation of the word 'man' is: one with a masculine identity. The denotation of 'man' is adult, human & male – that's what 'man' is "definitionally".

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It’s a semantic question. Source is irrelevant. Why do I know it’s wrong to hurt people? Why do I know that the moon is pretty? I know and quibbling over definitions won’t change it.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If the source is irrelevant then the source's definition is irrelevant. You compared it to the moon being pretty – if it's as irrelevant as that then why deny so vehemently that trans-womxyn are men? Trans-womxyn being men is comparable to the moon being a natural satellite, not being pretty.

[–]Spikygrasspod 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know where it originates, but I don't think it's a medical claim so much as a an "ameliorative definition": a redefinition for political purposes. I don't know if these philosophers created the ideas or just reflect ideas that have emerged through activism, but you can see some turning points perhaps in two philosophical papers. In Sally Haslangers "Gender and Race" -- in which she argues that 'women' should be redefined in terms of social subordination based on perceived femaleness rather than on femaleness itself. Her idea is that this will help the word 'woman' do the work of picking out those individuals who are the concern of feminism. The second paper is Katharine Jenkins's "Amelioration and Inclusion" in which she argues woman should actually be defined as a gender identity so that no one is categorised as man or woman against their preference, and so that we can centre trans women in feminist spaces.

More recently I feel a lot of the discourse has evolved online, so it may be difficult to pin down the origins of different ideas. But you should also look at the advocacy work of Stonewall and Mermaids, for example, since they receive money to train people on trans issues.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was started by liars.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

What's a womxyn?

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

The letters 'XY' refer to trans-womxyn's chromosomes.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Do you refer to cis women as womxxn?

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

lol of course not. do people come out as straight?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Than why refer to trans women as womxyn? Why not just refer to them as women? "Trans" is an adjective.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I add the XY to emphasise their sex. Calling them simply 'women' is misleading. Sex differences are definable, significant & consequential, while self identification with the opposite sex is none of these.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think originally it was an answer for many companies who started using "Womxn" when speaking about female humans.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

It’s for transphobes who can’t even bring themselves to say trans women or even transwomen.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I'll call them 'dysphoric men' if you'd prefer it. "Men with a feminine gender role preference" would be the most accurate, though unwieldy.

You've made the accusation that I'm transphobic for merely implying that trans-womxyn are male. The prefix 'trans' does the same thing, as does the statement "sex & gender aren't the same thing".

There are trans-womxyn who say that trans-womxyn are men, others say that they are women. How is the former statement transphobic, but not the latter?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Saying trans women are men is transphobic. Dress it up however you want but it’s that simple.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

That's it? This is a debate sub FYI.

When are you going to finally explain what makes such a benign statement of fact transphobic? Oh that's right, never. No one seems to want answer that question. It's almost as if there is no answer to that question. You do know that trans-womxyn in every culture around the world (that includes cultures more accepting than ours) & throughout history categorise trans-womxyn as either men or third gender, right? Your insular ideology is an exception.

Saying trans-womxyn are women is misogynistic. Why: it's the erasure of women. No one who chants the aforementioned can define 'woman', thereby proving said erasure. The female sex is not a privileged class, but the "cis vs. trans" dynamic sets members of the females sex up as privileged oppressors.

There is also no evidence that trans-womxyn are women, while there is plenty of evidence that they are men: male sex, male socialisation, male privilege. Yours is an ideology of gaps.

The funny thing about this ridiculous idea that the mere implication that trans-womxyn are male is transphobic, is that every TRA must regard themselves as transphobic by their own standards. If you thought trans-womxyn were women you could easily prove it. But you can't, not even to yourself.

Why do trans-womxyn spend so much time training themselves to emulate women? Take trans-women's voices. That's not their genuine voice, it's the voice of a man trying to sound like a woman. That's the opposite of "being your true self".

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

It’s prima fascia transphobic. It’s the nature of transphobia.

I don’t actually care about third gender classification as long as it’s not lesser. But calling us men is definitionally transphobic. It’s the core root of all transphobia.

The funny thing about this ridiculous idea that the mere implication that trans-womxyn are male is transphobic, is that every TRA must regard themselves as transphobic by their own standards. If you thought trans-womxyn were women you could easily prove it. But you can't, not even to yourself.

That is both untrue and doesn’t follow the argument. Belief doesn’t require proof to exist anyway. I am male but not a man. And that doesn’t require proof because I know it. It’s a semantic question, “proof” isn’t relevant. It’s a language issue.

Why do trans-womxyn spend so much time training themselves to emulate women? Take trans-women's voices. That's not their genuine voice, it's the voice of a man trying to sound like a woman. That's the opposite of "being your true self".

Many reasons. Safety, passing, because masculine voices are grating and disgusting, because hearing those sounds is distressing or induces disassociation, because they simply prefer it, because it feels like how they ought to be. Take your pick.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I am male but not a man.

"Saying trans-womxyn are male is the core root of transphobia" – there, do I win?

The differences between a trans-woman & a man are only in the imagination of the individual. What's the difference between trans-womxyn who say they are women & trans-womxyn who say they are men? Ideology is the only difference. Meanwhile there isn't any overlap between trans-womxyn & women, other than everything that men & women have in common.

After a female infant, that was brought up by wolves, identifies as a wolf & has no concept of gender, finally grows up, she is a woman, not a wolf, because 'woman' is just the word for a human who is an adult & female.

You can't prove that trans-womxyn are women, so you say it's transphobic to say otherwise, but you also can't prove that that's transphobic so why on earth should I believe two impossible things with nothing to back either up (other than the vague "but it's the core root though")?

The reason the other side isn't saying that it's transphobic to call trans-womxyn women is because they have evidence on their side. It's from your lack of evidence that you have to lean so heavily on the "transphobia!" crutch.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[M] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't mean to make it personal, but you're not a woman.

I’m not removing this, but I just want to point out that you cannot misgender individual users. You can misgender groups of trans people or publicly known trans people who aren’t present, but please refrain from singling out individual users.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I understand. I removed that sentence, if that's okay.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[M] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

"Saying trans-womxyn are male is the core root of transphobia" – there, do I win?

That’s not true though. I acknowledge that I am male but am not transphobic. Male is a question of genetics. Man isn’t. One can think trans women have xy chromosomes without requiring or impacting behavior. Thinking we are men brings implications necessary to transphobia.

After a female infant, that was brought up by wolves, identifies as a wolf & has no concept of gender, finally grows up, she is a woman

Assuming she isn’t trans I agree

woman' is just the word for a human who is an adult & female.

I and may wouldn’t agree with that oversimplified definition.

You can't prove that trans-womxyn are women,

You can’t prove we are men. It’s a question of semantics not proof.

you also can't prove that that's transphobic

Semantic question of definition not a question of proof . But to belabor, all transphobic action is predicated on the idea that trans women are men. No transphobic action is taken by anyone who believes trans women are not men. The idea that we are men and therefore deluded or sinister infiltrators is the predicate on all transphobic actions. A man kills a trans woman because he thinks she is a man and either has failed masculinity or affronted his masculinity by eliciting attraction. Belief she is a man is the predicate. The same is true for discrimination in employment, legal discrimination. All transphobic action roots in thinking trans people are their birth sex rather than their actual gender.

The reason the other side isn't saying that it's transphobic to call trans-womxyn women is because they have evidence on their side.

Why would calling trans women women be transphobic? That seems like a typo.

It's from your lack of evidence that you have to lean so heavily on the "transphobia!" crutch.

It’s your obvious hatred for trans people that leads me to call you transphobic.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

'Man' is as much based on genetics as 'ram' or 'bull' are. They are all male, but there is a separate word for the male of each of their species. 'Male', in regard to humans, has all the same connotations that 'man' does. 'Male' is the adjective of 'man'. One can just as easily think trans-womxyn are men without requiring or impacting behaviour. Conversely, it's just as possible that viewing trans-womxyn as male "brings implications necessary to transphobia".

Just because in English people can't identify as a masculinity, or a femininity, doesn't mean you can appropriate the words 'man' & 'woman'. Masculinity & femininity are gender, man & woman aren't, they merely connote normative gender roles.

So if a feral child is socialised as a wolf & identifies as neither a man nor a woman but instead as a wolf, she is not a wolf, but a woman, but were she to identify not as a man, nor a woman, nor a wolf, she'd be non-binary?

I and may wouldn’t agree with that oversimplified definition.

What definition would you agree with then? Does said definition have a source?

You can’t prove we are men

Adult, human & male – checks out for both men & trans-womxyn.

Also, the universals of men: male sex, male socialisation (& subsequent male behavioural patters) & male privilege, are all shared by trans-womxyn. While the universals of women: female sex, female socialisation (& subsequent female behavioural patterns) & misogyny, are not shared by trans-womxyn.

All transphobic action is predicated on the idea that trans-womxyn are male. No transphobic action is taken by anyone who believes trans-womxyn are not male. The idea that trans-womxyn are male & therefore deluded or sinister infiltrators is the predicate on all transphobic actions. A man kills a trans-woman because he thinks she is male & either has failed masculinity or affronted his own masculinity by eliciting his attraction. Belief she is male is the predicate. The same is true for discrimination in employment, legal discrimination. All transphobic action roots in thinking trans people are their sex rather than their preferred sex. – there, fixed it for you.

btw gender & preferred sex/gender role preference/self identification aren't the same thing. Gender dysphoria is not an identity. Gender is like language, or culture, you can try to adopt others, but you can't unlearn your own. You can take the man out of masculine presentation, but you can't take the masculine conditioning out of the man.

seems like a typo

Again, trans-womxyn who say that trans-womxyn are men are not claiming that saying "trans-womxyn are women" is transphobic. But trans-womxyn who say "trans-womxyn are women" claim that saying otherwise is transphobic. The reason the former doesn't need to make this claim is because they have evidence on their side, while the latter has to use the accusation as a crutch in lieu of evidence.

It’s your obvious hatred for trans people that leads me to call you transphobic.

My "hatred for trans people" is now "obvious", is it? And you don't think an accusation like that requires any sort of evidence? Is Debbie Hayton's "hatred of transpeople" also "obvious" for saying trans-womxyn are men? Why do straight men kill gay men? Because they are men? Would insisting that gay men are women help prevent homophobia? Are GNC men who are neither gay nor trans immune to discrimination, or would they have to be read as women first?

Transphobes can't even tell the difference between trans-womxyn, gay men & GNC men most of the time. Just as there is no difference between man & adult human male. What all three groups have in common is their gender non-conformity. The prejudice is against non-conformity.

If trans-womxyn are viewed as feminine men they aren't conforming socially, if they are viewed as male women, they aren't conforming biologically. The word 'man' doesn't endanger trans-womxyn anymore than the word 'woman' protects them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Society uses man to with a behavioral component. “Be a man” is a command to act a certain way, not develop a chromosomal change.

So if a feral child is socialised as a wolf & identifies as neither a man nor a woman but instead as a wolf, she is not a wolf, but a woman, but were she to identify not as a man, nor a woman, nor a wolf, she'd be non-binary?

Birth sex is default. Absent dysphoria and trans status it’s default. She’s be non-binary only if she so identified.

The definition I use for man or woman are set based. I’ve laid them out previously but it’s not something citable . It’s a semantic issue not something you can just cite.

Adult, human & male – checks out for both men & trans-womxyn.

I consider your base definition flawed abs the proof failing. You would say the same to any definition I gave. Hence you have proven nothing to me. You predicate a proof on a definition I consider false.

Also, the universals of men: male sex, male socialisation (& subsequent male behavioural patters) & male privilege, are all shared by trans-womxyn. While the universals of women: female sex, female socialisation (& subsequent female behavioural patterns) & misogyny, are not shared by trans-womxyn.

I don’t agree that trans women have male behavior patterns nor trans men female. Also does that mean that you would agree a trans woman raised as a woman from early childhood would then be not a man since she were never given male socialization?

All transphobic action is predicated on the idea that trans-womxyn are male. No transphobic action is taken by anyone who believes trans-womxyn are not male. The idea that trans-womxyn are male & therefore deluded or sinister infiltrators is the predicate on all transphobic actions. A man kills a trans-woman because he thinks she is male & either has failed masculinity or affronted his own masculinity by eliciting his attraction. Belief she is male is the predicate. The same is true for discrimination in employment, legal discrimination. All transphobic action roots in thinking trans people are their sex rather than their preferred sex. – there, fixed it for you.

This isn’t fixed. Sex isn’t relevant to why we are hurt. Gender is.

btw gender & preferred sex/gender role preference/self identification aren't the same thing. Gender dysphoria is not an identity. Gender is like language, or culture, you can try to adopt others, but you can't unlearn your own. You can take the man out of masculine presentation, but you can't take the masculine conditioning out of the man.

Dysphoria isn’t identity but it’s predicate for identity. It’s required to be trans. Or at least legitimately trans.

Again, trans-womxyn who say that trans-womxyn are men are not claiming that saying "trans-womxyn are women" is transphobic.

Because it isn’t transphobic by any definition. It’s respectful of trans people.

But trans-womxyn who say "trans-womxyn are women" claim that saying otherwise is transphobic.

Because it’s not respecting trans people and is predicate for all transphobic action to think we are men.

My "hatred for trans people" is now "obvious", is it?

Yes. Your post history is literally just railing against our rights and existence. Your even come up with some really dehumanizing little nickname for us in lieu of even the “transwomen” compromise generally accepted in this space. Your hatred isn’t subtle.

Is Debbie Hayton's "hatred of transpeople" also "obvious" for saying trans-womxyn are men?

Also yes. She’s an agp who is so desperate for approval she is making a minor celebrity career by arguing against rights for actual trans people.

Why do straight men kill gay men? Because they are men?

Homophobia generally. Absent non related motive.

Would insisting that gay men are women help prevent homophobia?

That would be pretty unfair to gay men since being gay shouldn’t make you not a man.

Are GNC men who are neither gay nor trans immune to discrimination, or would they have to be read as women first?

Not at all. And I support fostering acceptance for them as well as protections. I’ve Already said I don’t like sexed behavior expectations. But they are less hated than us and are more physically capable of protecting themselves than trans women on hormones.

Transphobes can't even tell the difference between trans-womxyn, gay men & GNC men most of the time.

That’s just ludicrous. You know perfectly well if you see a gay man or a transitioned trans woman on sight. Let alone with context like a conversation or where you hear a name or anything about them.

The prejudice is against non-conformity.

You leave out the huge number of people that support homosexuality but are anti trans. My own mother demanded to know why I couldn’t “just be gay and normal” when I told her I was transitioning. Many hate both. But many also accept gay or even gnc but don’t accept being trans.

The word 'man' doesn't endanger trans-womxyn anymore than the word 'woman' protects them.

Man is the root of action against us. Woman is protective in social inertia as well as stealth. Even third category wouldn’t be necessarily as bad but thinking we are men is predicate to targeted action.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Being woman is not a semantics, lol.

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We are disagreeing about a specific definition. It’s literally a semantic question.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, I basically wrote about this exact thing which I believe is the source of this claim so I'll just copypaste it.

I believe the evidence used for the 'trans women are women' argument is that trans women have brain patterns similar to cis women. However this nature study suggests that these difference are based on sexual orientation independent of gender identity, that is, a trans woman attracted to men will have brain structural differences to a heterosexual cis woman, but these differences are also seen in homosexual males. Meanwhile a female attracted trans woman will have structures congruent with a heterosexual cis male. There is, however, a different area of the brain that is different from heterosexual or homosexual cis people, and that is a region "processing the perception of self and body ownership".

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I feel like there was some kind of emergence of the phrase from other ones before it - like maybe people were saying "women's rights are human rights" and "trans rights are human rights" and then wanted to make the point that they weren't separate or something like that...

I can't remember exactly what I'm thinking of, but I do have a memory that when it began to be popular some years back, it was replacing another popular activist way of advocating for rights - like maybe along the lines of "trans women and women are united"? At which point some people began to say, no no, wait, we can't say that, it makes us too obviously different, and started to just claim TWAW, which in the beginning was a fringe opinion but became more mainstream until it became the presumed truth.

I don't think there's any underlying academic research. It is all political, and any academic work on it is also political in nature in that it is written to back up a presumed thesis seen as beneficial for society.