GC: Is sexual attraction only based on genitals, or is there more to sexual attraction (e.g. attraction to secondary sexual characteristics, "femininity", "masculinity", etc)?

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[–]Not_a_celebrity[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

"She" refers to someone that is biologically female. It is contradictory to call a biological male "she" just because he feels like a woman. And he's not "living in good faith". He's a homophobe. He's anti-feminist. And he is a trans-medicalist, and trans-medicalists are worse than the ordinary "trans", because these are the ones believing that there is a "female" or "male" brain, that "gender is not a social construct", and that a "trans man" is a "male brain in a female body" or a "trans woman" is a "female brain in a male body" who should get hormones and surgery for their body to match their brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9WqfBDjRF8&t=191s

Many GCs worship Blaire. While he accepts he's biologically male, he doesn't spend his day do day reminding himself of that, he thinks he's a "woman in a straight relationship", worse, a man with a "female brain". Why let a homophobe get what he wants?

I don't think using anyone's preferred pronouns is a good idea. If Blaire understands he's biologically male, he should understand he shall be treated as a biological male, not a woman just because he got surgeries and hormones to look like the most stereotypical form people think a "woman" looks like. A woman is not big boobs, make up, and dresses. And calling Blaire "she" will enforce misogyny.

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Well, I take a more moderate view than that. I don't even think most GC people are that hardcore about pronouns.

It's what's called a polite courtesy. Blaire transitioned because of severe dysphoria. I don't mind a biologically incorrect pronoun for the purposes of helping out someone who's trying to live their life as best they can. Where I have a problem is people demanding pronouns or making up crazy new pronouns and generally making a big thing of it.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Blaire transitioned because of severe dysphoria.

But Blaire's "dysphoria" was rooted in homophobia - society's, Blaire's family's and Blaire's own internalized homophobia. And Blaire's "gender dysphoria," like all "gender dysphoria," was/is rooted in regressive sexism and Blaire's preferences for the sex stereotypes associated the female sex. As the clinical criteria for "gender dysphoria" make clear, the only way someone can have GD is to be deeply sexist; to hew to, and be preoccupied with, sexist stereotypes; and to desire/prefer to conform to the sexist stereotypes associated with the opposite sex rather than one's own sex.

As someone who has followed Blaire since Blaire first appeared online in 2015, when Blaire's videos were all anti-feminist and IMO very anti-female, I think Blaire has evolved into someone who seems like a decent person who means well. But I find nothing admirable about Blaire's or anyone else's homophobia and sexism - and nothing admirable about Blaire's previously expressed overt misogyny and the lack of empathy Blaire once showed towards girls and women.

I also get the very strong impression that Blaire very much fetishizes aspects of the female body - which I find offensive. In Blaire's videos, Blaire usually makes a point of prominently displaying and bouncing around the factory-made, bought-off-the-shelf orbs of silicone gel or saline solution that Blaire had implanted in Blaire's chest. This strikes me as exploitative and porny. Blaire's chest orbs were so exposed and made front and center in one of Blaire's most recent videos that I had to rearrange the window on my screen so I couldn't see Blaire's chest orbs - which in my view are 3-D cartoon caricatures of female breasts that males like Blair show off so much coz they think they're better than women's real breasts.

I've also seen footage of Blaire out in public wearing skin-tight white trousers that showed Blaire to be wearing undergarments meant to give the impression that Blaire has a vulva and therefore a "camel toe."

At the same time that Blaire defends the rights of girls and women to have our own sports for females only, Blaire uses female fitting rooms, locker rooms and loos, and says males like Blaire have "earned" the right to do so by getting enough costly cosmetic surgery to believe they "pass." In my view, that's not behavior or an attitude that shows respect for female people and our distinct bodies and needs. In my view, it's just a sign of selfishness and Blaire's belief that when push comes to shove, the wants and feelings of males with "dysphoria" count more than the needs and feelings of girls and women.

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But Blaire's "dysphoria" was rooted in homophobia - society's, Blaire's family's and Blaire's own internalized homophobia. And Blaire's "gender dysphoria," like all "gender dysphoria," was/is rooted in regressive sexism

Do we know that for sure? I agree that rigid gender stereotypes and the inability of little boys to be feminine without shame most likely contribute to transsexualism, but we've never had a non-gendered society for comparison purposes. We never will, unless we manage full gender eradication. So we can only speculate. We can't know that sex and genital dysphoria would be eradicated in a genderless society. I do believe it would be dramatically reduced, but that's just a belief.

And be that as it may, let's say we did eradicate homophobia, sexism, and gender. We still can't go back in time and ungender Blaire's childhood. Blaire is stuck as a dysphoric person regardless. Not saying I'm in love with Blaire or agree with her on everything. I think she's sensible on a lot of issues, but she's not perfect. I do think she loves female gender stereotypes, but she also lives in LA, where apparently that type of feminine expression is common. I've seen videos with natal women who behave and dress similarly.

[–]Not_a_celebrity[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is it okay to say I like you and admire the time you put on explaining yourself? 🥺

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes! Of course. And thank you for the kind words.

[–]Not_a_celebrity[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Up to you. I can't provide him that polite courtesy myself, just as I can't be polite when it comes to other "trans" people because I'm frankly disgusted by their ideology. I can't even bring myself to use an incorrect pronoun because it will make me as guilty as them in enforcing the ideology I disagree with. But if you want to then so be it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I thought you were on the QT side? Either way, the pronoun issue is very low on my list of priorities.

[–]Not_a_celebrity[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not on the TQ side. When I posted here multiple times the few days ago, which I know you remember, I was neutral and questioning. My questions were similar to what TQs asked because I took a neutral stance and wanted to ask whatever was on my mind. Whatever I didn't understand. I still have episodes where I don't understand something, but it's not as bad as before.

And yeah. People's priorities are different. For me, pronouns are on top of my priority, because getting the TQ to come back to reality right when they feel like they are the opposite sex is more effective than agreeing with them they are the opposite sex and even going with their preferred pronouns.

But your priorities are difference, that's fine.