QT: Who is trans “inclusive” language really for?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I’m sorry but if you’re gonna make silly accusations like forging quotes when I loosely paraphrase you, I’m not giving you my time.

I know because the vast majority of human beings are not intersex or transgender, because transgendered people very rarely pass, and because since there is a plague going on I see about one stranger a week. 98% was being generous.

Even in normal times, it’s so unlikely as to be laughable that in a town of 20,000 people, I’m gonna see an intersex person or a transgendered person everyday.

Most people understand women to already be people who have a cervix. It’s muddying medical facts to pander to the hurt feelings of a select few who think not liking their vagina but liking plaid makes them a man.

Giving credence to gender identity harms women by erasing them as a sexed group with distinct oppression, needs, and differences. Giving credence to gender identity allows men who believe that preferring their legs shaved and enjoying cosmetics makes them women. Giving credence to gender identity is giving credence to gender, which is a social construct designed to oppress women and gender non conforming and homosexual males.

So yes, saying people with a cervix as well does indirectly lead to the harm of women.

[–]Taln_Reich 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m sorry but if you’re gonna make silly accusations like forging quotes when I loosely paraphrase you, I’m not giving you my time.

It is not a loose paraphrasing if it changes the meaning of what I said.

I know because the vast majority of human beings are not intersex or transgender, because transgendered people very rarely pass, and because since there is a plague going on I see about one stranger a week. 98% was being generous.

I explicitly asked for you certainly knowing those peoples gonads. As in, do you examine whether someone has testes or gonads before deciding on whether to call them "sir"/"man"/"him" or "ma'm"/"woman"/"her" or do you only look at their secondary sex characteristics and go by that? Because if you do that, you do not know with certainty which gonads they have, you are just assuming. This assumption might be correct 98% of the time, but that is not the same as being certain.

Even in normal times, it’s so unlikely as to be laughable that in a town of 20,000 people, I’m gonna see an intersex person or a transgendered person everyday.

depending on whether one considers LOCAH to be intersex or not, intersex is either aproximately 1.7 % or 0.2% of all cases, meaning about 340 or 40 people in your town being intersex. For the united states, the estimate for the prevalence of transgender people is 0.5-0.6 % ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender#United_States_2 ) meaning about 100-120 people (with there being a hightend possibility for overlap compared to the general population https://www.nature.com/articles/nrurol.2012.182 ).

It’s muddying medical facts to pander to the hurt feelings of a select few who think not liking their vagina but liking plaid makes them a man.

Giving credence to gender identity allows men who believe that preferring their legs shaved and enjoying cosmetics makes them women.

and gender non conforming and homosexual males.

again conflating gender role and gender identity (utterly trivializing what transgender identity actually is)

Most people understand women to already be people who have a cervix.

yes, and it also needs to be aknowledged, that not everyone with a cervix is a woman.

Giving credence to gender identity harms women by erasing them as a sexed group with distinct oppression, needs, and differences.

how are women "erased" ?

Giving credence to gender identity is giving credence to gender, which is a social construct designed to oppress women and gender non conforming and homosexual males.

Please define "gender". Do you mean "gender roles"? Because, again, gender identity has nothing to do with gender roles. Those are entirely different things.