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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So..some people choose suicide and some dont? Or are you saying there are extenuating situations that lead to suicide 100% of the time?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don’t think anyone can ever say for sure why someone who is no longer here to explain makes that kind of decision. But I do know that we can look at instances of suicide that gained public attention and there’s enough evidence even in those cases to see that people can have incredibly similar circumstances and one person may commit suicide, another could die accidentally, and someone else could survive. But it’s just a fact that not every person in a specific set of circumstances commits suicide. I don’t understand how the other poster can’t acknowledge that. So what I was trying to say is, regardless of the reasons or the circumstances, no matter how they may have been treated or the pain they experienced, inevitably, they made the decision themselves.

There’s a documentary called “The Bridge” about the suicides that occurred on the GGB over the course of a year. It interviews the families and friends of the people who died as well as one person who survived. Each of those people had different stories. Many of them had support systems, people who tried to help them and some had people who made their situation worse, some had typical family lives, some had lost everyone that mattered to them. They all jumped off of that bridge. And yet, some of the people interviewed were in the same situation as the person who jumped.

My uncle killed himself because his wife was unhappy and wanted to leave. Is his death now his wife’s fault?

I just feel like telling people that others hold blame for suicide is putting responsibility on people for a choice they didn’t ultimately make.

The only person I can think of that I’d say possibly caused another person to commit suicide would be Michelle Carter, but even in that case, he was suicidal well before meeting her.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Admitting that suicide is something a person chooses, with orwithout specific extenuating circumstances, invalidates the manipulation tactic and so squid will never back down on that. So much easier to block your ears and scream racist! Ableist! Nazi! than it is to have an intelligent conversation about suicide and emotional blackmail.

Squid does not want any sort of debate or discussion. He wants us to shut up, accept what he says as gospel, and start asking how we can all make up for his having ever experienced discomfort or disobedience from women.

Basically masks with a new name and slightly less passive aggression.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I had typed something similar but felt my comment was already too long. It’s like SJWs and TRAs have it in their head that it’s always the fault of everyone else. No matter how unfair or illogical, it’s always someone else’s “bigotry” or ableism or insert whatever buzz word works. Meanwhile they normalize unhealthy coping mechanisms and encourage people to do things and even believe things that contribute to why they’re struggling or unhappy. It’s toxic as fuck.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It’s wildly unhealthy and actively promotes rejecting any sort of personal responsibility or power. Full dedication to learned helplessness and interpreting any sort of struggle as being inflicted on them by some vague hate group.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly. They set each other up for failure and disappointment, then blame us for their failure and disappointment. As well as giving people excuses to not get better. It’s sick and it’s dangerous.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It also seems to follow a pretty typical pattern of misogyny.

Demand made of women, dismissal of women’s concerns, threats of punishment for those who don’t comply, (kill terfs, rape terfs, I’ll kill myself unless terfs xyz) publicly devaluing women who don’t comply (feminazi, kill terfs, gc wants us to die, tw are more womanly, women hurt tw, etc etc)