Let’s discuss this casual throwing around of terms like ‘nazi’

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[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

In my short work in suicide prevention hotline, what I've learned is that if a group is susseptible to suicide - then you should never even mention to them possibility of such and should move discussion to something far away from it. Introducing suicide as an option will give them idea that it is one of courses of actions in the first place, which they may not even considered before at all, and such introducing of suicide was increasing risks of suicide for that groups significantly - by 3-5 times.

So if transgender people are "at risk of suicide" - then trans activist's fearmongering of them and their parents by saying "you will end up in suicide if not transitioned" should be even worse and such trans activist's rhethorics should be increasing amount of suicide attempts by transgender people by at least 5 times. So does not look like they care about transgender people at all and this tactics is basically just terrorism or coercive control with "Do X or Y will die".

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is common propagandistic tactics - was always used in dictatorships and cults.

When USSR was "curing" me from my lesbianism, they were saying to parents that I will end up suiciding like many other lesbians (who mostly suicided BECAUSE of treatment or corrective rapes) if I receive no treatment. They were fearmongering them and saying same to me. I wss just naive teen who just wanted to be normal, so they did different therapies and in the end decided that I am acting too masculine, so must be a man - and put me on testosterone.

So it is very common way to control parents - scare them with suicide and remove kids from parents to propagandists (like we had pioneer camps, where were only few adult propagandists and we were not allowed to connect with parents for months).

And it all happened to me more than 30 years ago. Methods are never changing.

[–]Greensquidsphone 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

These are the hot takes I live for. "Don't talk us about how our making it harder/impossible to access medical care will increase suicide rates because talking about it will increase the suicide rate"

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Fearmongering kids that they will end up suiciding will increase suicide rates, yes. Especially if done on mass media. That's why there is safeguarding on mass media towards other groups who are susceptible to suicide. It is taking care of those people.

Discussing in person or on political level and researching it - should not increase rates, but it is not what happening. What we see is "suicide epidemic" and "kids, you would end up suiciding, so demand parents to transition you!" - which is very-very harmful. I don't understand why you are so unempathetic towards transgender kids.

[–]Greensquidsphone 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

I don't understand why you are so unempathetic towards transgender kids

I'm not, which is why I advocate for proven medical treatment and against legislation which prevents access to said treatment. You sure seem to be though.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You are ignoring that it is wrong treatment for transmen, and you are only focusing on transwomen but saying it is for everyone.

Plus you are fine with promoting suicide ideas among them and raising suicide figures, most likely due to the lack of knowledge of how it works and what help and support people with such tendencies need.

[–]Greensquidsphone 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

You are ignoring that it is wrong treatment for transmen, and you are only focusing on transwomen but saying it is for everyone

Literally not doing that, literature shows transition is just as effective for transmen as it is for TW, but sure

Plus you are fine with promoting suicide ideas among them and raising suicide figures

And again, literally no. Stop making shit up about a fake monster you've made up inside your head, I'm right fucking here. The only people I talk about suicide with are the people actively trying to raise the rates (that's you guys, objectively, SINCE AGAIN LITERALLY NO ONE CAN PROVE THE CURRENT TREATMENT FOR GD IS INNEFECTIVE)

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey! Just wanted to add, this report completed under the Obama Administration in 2016 found that there was insufficient clinical evidence to back up transitioning medical services: https://www.cms.gov/medicare-coverage-database/details/nca-proposed-decision-memo.aspx?NCAId=282