GC & QT: What are your views?

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[–]AlexisK 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

It makes it much more unfair for "girls born female". It makes it impossible in any serious competition for "people born female" to win at all. It makes it much more dangerous for "people born female" in close contact sports like Rugby or boxing.

You know that CeCe Telfer only improved their time after transition? So CeCe could still compete against men with no issues. CeCe was 200th in men's category with CeCe's best time, and then CeCe only improved time, so could be maybe 150th now, and not 1st in women's category, while being 8-10% faster than second girl in same category. And 9-12% time difference is exactly time difference between best men and women in respective categories. In running male and female world records are around that difference too.

So yes, it is making it much more unfair for "girls born female". It makes it almost meaningless to even try to compete for "girls born female", as there would not be even a chance to win - regardless how hard they try.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (8 children)

Untrue. Cis women beat trans women in sports all the time. Cos women compete against other cis women who have physical advantages over them all the time. Including trans women and girls in female sports does not mean that trans women will always win or that trans women will always have physical advantages over their cis counterparts. To say so is simply wrong.

[–]AlexisK 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

There are women much stronger than men, it is not the reason to include any men in sports.

Males when trained will have unfair advantage and an edge over females. And it is not fair competition.

In contact sports even weak males are still more durable than females, with stronger bones, wider muscles and so on. This makes big concerns about female's safety. Even transwomen on estrogene are still much more durable than "people born female" (includint transmen) and can easily cause harm.

Sport is about safety and fairness of competition. And professional sports is starting at early years.

So it is just unfair that someone like CeCe competes against "people born female". Women (female) in same category just can not even remotely win against CeCe, difference is 10+%, which is just impossible to overcome for any female in same category. Of course - olympic champion will win over CeCe, maybe even by 5-7%, however, CeCe with that time would take 12-16th place in Olympic Games if competed against well trained best women in the world. It is just unfair and impossible to win for "girls born female". Sport is not validation playground, if it lacks equality - then there no reason for it to exist, what the point of female category then?

And I see that you don't want to understand this or you don't care, so I will leave it here.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (6 children)

There is no difference between cis girls and trans girls athletically if they take hormone blockers and hrt. Why shouldn’t they get to play?

[–]AlexisK 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There are huge differences, hormones are just small part of them. With same weight and height transwomen would have bigger lunghs size, heart size, faster metabolism, different pelvic structure, different walking muscles and bones positions, faster blood and muscle oxynization, bigger percentage of muscles, wider muscle fibers, and so on. Hormones are just small part of it, and even with it - testosterone chances are irreversable. Of course, transwomen are starting to lose some advantages with hormones and cross-sex hormones, but they still have huge advantages over females. Every single modern research with big sample size and which is peer reviewed is showing this. Don't deny biology - this looks ridiculous.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

Sources for the aforementioned studies?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sources for your insistence that males who eat estrogen are identical to girls.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

Only posers eat it.

Source that they’re not?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I’m asking for sources that they do, not making any assertion to back up.

But here’s one to start you off since I’m nice.

muscles

good old simple Wikipedia so you can peruse sources at your leisure

[–]AlexisK 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The newest ones, specifically were testing transwomen and not just "males":

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/02/28/bjsports-2020-103106

And there were more, like World's Rugby research, USA Military multiple researches, and so on.

That if you need specifically transwomen. In general there a lot of researches about differences in people born male and people born female in general.

And lets not forget small details like - every year up to 500 boys pre-18 are beating all-time female recrods in running.