QT: Do you understand why women need single sex spaces?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

You’re literally telling women to go change in a stall so we don’t have to look at teenagers erections lmao.

You’re absolutely putting the feelings of others way below yours and the feelings of hypothetical men. If you can’t see that, you’re being deliberately obtuse to a degree that boggles the mind.

You are very clearly unwilling or incapable of showing empathy for women. Dismissing women’s feelings and telling them to leave their space and change in the little box (that doesn’t accommodate a wheelchair or a walking frame, fuck you disabled women) so boys don’t get embarrassed over the women in the women’s changing room seeing his accidental boner. You could save yourself time and just tell us all to go fuck ourselves and obey men instead of couching that exact idea in all the caping for gender.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (20 children)

I'm telling the teenager to go change in a stall.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Why can’t he change in a stall in the men’s room? Why does he need to be in the ladies room if he’s so embarrassed and aroused by seeing females in sports bras?

It’s like you’re deliberately making a situation with less dignity for others because you personally don’t feel undignified in the situations you describe.

Try remembering that your standards aren’t applicable to others and that other people have feelings and thoughts you don’t and that they don’t need to change them to match yours.

You were very clearly stating the women should change in the stall. Like..read back what was written before you responded ‘just change in a stall’

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (18 children)

I meant the teenage boy should change in the stall. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

And I’m saying you are wrong and the teenage boy should not be in the same space as women in the first place.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (16 children)

I guess we disagree. I have and will continue to use men's bathrooms and locker rooms.

[–]BiologyIsReal 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why do you use the men's bathrooms and locker rooms if you don't identify as a "trans man"?

Also, by your comments, it seems like this is something you do often by your own volition and that you are easily recognized as female. So, I assume that you don't find this behaviour to be threatening to your identity or safety as a woman. So, how you reconcile this with the claims of males who identify as trans of men's bathrooms and locker rooms being dangerous and invalidating for them?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Then you’re being inconsiderate of boys and men who may be uncomfortable with your presence, and putting yourself in unnecessary risk. Ring-a-ding-ding.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (13 children)

What if a bunch of men in the locker room don't want to change in front of a trans woman and complain? Should that trans woman have to change in the woman's room because men see her as a woman and are uncomfortable with her presence?

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Why men's issues with other men are fixed by throwing them on women and making women uncomfortable instead of teaching men to not be hateful? Why women must be uncomfortable and be silent about it instead? Sounds too misogynistic.

Lets rephrase too:

What if a bunch of men in the locker room don't want to change in front of a Gay man and complain? Should that gay man have to change in the woman's room because men see him not as fully man and are uncomfortable with his presence?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (6 children)

It's you who doesn't view trans women as women and trans men as men, but many do. Why is it OK for men to be uncomfortable with a cis woman's presence but not a trans women's presence? It's still the same thing. In fact, your side admitted they will pepper spray anyone who appears masculine, even people AFAB. Its probably safer for trans men to use the men's locker room. And what does this have to do with gay men? I never mentioned gay men. How would other men know he is gay, unless he shouted his sexual orientation to the whole locker room?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Weird how you care if these imaginary men complain but when women are telling you they are afraid of another assault you’ll sit here and type out why they’re bigots and why they’re wrong.

Maybe transgender people should demand third spaces instead of anything as stupid and inconsiderate as making everything sex neutral.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

How about we turn men's spaces into gender neutral spaces and women's spaces for GC women?