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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

All I hear is rape apologia

Asked you not to respond to me, rape apologist

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

Did the white passing black women of the 30s and 40s commit “rape by deception” as well?

See? Double standard.

And let you have the last word? Not a chance. If you don’t want a discussion then just don’t reply to my comments

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Were the white passing black women really white passing black men pretending to be women thus changing the entire nature of the sex they were having with these white men?

No. They weren’t. They were females. With vaginas. Not tucked or reconstructed dicks. Sex is not the same as race.

TW are males. If they don’t disclose this fact they rob any potential partner of the ability to consent to fucking a male. That is rape. You can defend it all you want, but it makes you a rape apologist. At the very least, it makes you an advocate for disregarding people’s sexual boundaries. It’s gross.

Eta- Even if you think it’s okay for a person to lie about/conceal their race or religion etc, that is just not comparable to lying about your sex. People may not even care about someone being trans but they just don’t want to interact with trans genitalia. That’s how I felt, when I was more of an ally. The idea of a neovagina (even a convincing one) and what it actually is is and was sexually repulsive to me. Even when I was shouting TWAW. You don’t get to decide for other people. It is not okay to lie or conceal anything for sex. Nobody is owed sex. Period.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (13 children)

So then you don’t care about the feelings of the racists who were sleeping with white passing black women? Rape Apologist! Stop defending “rape by deception” Sloane.

Obvious double standard is obvious.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also- can you link this phenomenon of black women desperate to sleep with white racist men? So desperate that they’d pretend to be white?

Im sure it totally happened, but you mention black people or Jewish people doing this so often that I’m wondering if there’s some cultural reference you could provide? Otherwise it just kind of sounds like you’re offering an example that never really happens just for argument’s sake, which- I don’t know that it’s fair to compare some made up hypothetical to something that really happens

Eta- also wtf I said it was wrong?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I already addressed that. There is no defense offered. Lying or concealing something to get laid is wrong. It’s particularly wrong when you lie about your sex, but either way it’s wrong

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (10 children)

Wow, okay then you’re taking the side of ancient racists who thought that white passing black women have to disclose their racial experiences to all potential sexual partners? Thats fucked up

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So you’re just gonna ignore all of what I said to try to make this leap? Lmao

You’re not just a rape apologist you’re a desperate rape apologist who can’t debate lol

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sex is not the same as race. They are different. Surely you understand that.

Let’s not pretend that a racist who accidentally sleeps with a black woman wouldn’t be infinitely more upset if he slept with a black man pretending to be a woman.

But I’ll address your point more thoroughly:

Im not taking the side of any racists- I’m taking the side of consent.

if someone is concealing a fact about themselves that they know is likely a deal breaker in order to get laid, they are wrong.

It is common knowledge that most people are not open to sleeping with transwomen. Tras bitch about this all the time and we have polls and statistics to back this up. Because this is common knowledge, there’s not a TW in the world who isn’t aware that more likely than not, their being trans is going to be an issue when it comes to sex and dating. Possibly an issue someone is willing to overcome, but also very possibly not.

To rob someone of the ability to make the choice to sleep with a trans person is wrong. It is wrong because the trans person already knows how large the potential to violate someone’s sexual boundaries is.

White men have been fucking (and raping) black women since they found us. There’s not really any reason for black women to assume that a white man would not want to sleep with a black woman, in general. That’s not really a thing, the way that it is for TW. It’s just not. It’s not me saying it to debate- this is not a thing. So no, I don’t think white passing black women are under the same obligation as TW, because there’s no established societal consensus about this. Obviously, if the white man asked and she lied, she’d be wrong.

I get the point is that she shouldn’t have to preemptively inform him- the difference is that unless she knows he’s a racist ahead of time, there’s no reason for her to wonder if he’s open to sleeping with her. TW already know that them being trans is highly likely to be a deal breaker in general. If being a black woman was a general deal breaker then yeah, as racist as it would be, it would be shitty to not disclose BECAUSE NOBODY IS OWED SEX.

Why does someone being a racist piece of shit (or as you try to imply- a transphobe) mean that it’s okay to sexually violate them? I don’t think anyone should be sexually violated. I think everyone, good or bad person, bigot or not, deserves sexual autonomy and the right to offer full consent. It’s really odd to me that you don’t.

Also- neovaginas are not the same as vaginas. This is fact. It’s not okay to not let someone know that they will be interacting with a type of genitalia they aren’t expecting. I feel like that should be obvious.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

You just said there was no defense for white appearing black women sleeping with people whom they might suspect would’ve not slept with them if they knew about their racial experience. No leaping or desperation was required.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

An incredible leap is required if that’s all you took from my response. But as I said, why is it okay to deny anyone the right to consent?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

No one’s being denied anything. If they don’t want to sleep with a member of a certain demographic then its on them to bring it up.