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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

What do you think is going on with that?

I think it's a trauma response. I would say the same thing about fantasies involving gender roles though, as female socialization is traumatic for many if not most women and girls.

I just see humans have a strong tendency to sexualise power.

Even if this is natural, which you clearly have no evidence that it is, it's still a leap from this to fantasies about power in a gender context specifically being natural.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I think it's a trauma response.

So this would be; all societies have gender which traumatize women this appears a sexualized forms of power which women as a psychological defence mechanism.

Where do the men and women who enjoy sexualized dominance fit into that?

Even if this is natural, which you clearly have no evidence that it is, it's still a leap from this to fantasies about power in a gender context specifically being natural.

I'm reflecting on the reported patterns.

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So this would be; all societies have gender which traumatize women this appears a sexualized forms of power which women as a psychological defence mechanism.

You need to reword this because your typos are obscuring your meaning.

I'm reflecting on the reported patterns.

Your "reflections" aren't evidence. As I've already said, you've admitted that not all common and consistent fantasies are natural.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You need to reword this because your typos are obscuring your meaning.

Sorry, how about this.

So this would be; all societies have gender which traumatize women and this appears in sexualized forms of power which women use as a psychological defence mechanism.

Is that closer to the position?

Your "reflections" aren't evidence. As I've already said, you've admitted that not all common and consistent fantasies are natural.

I do find it hard not to think "all common and consistent fantasies are natural."

You can see how I'd think that?

Like I think criminality and morality are both natural tendencies. Widespread, recurrent and emergent.

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So this would be; all societies have gender which traumatize women and this appears in sexualized forms of power which women use as a psychological defence mechanism.

I mean we know that trauma informs sexuality, so it makes sense, to me, that gender trauma informs sexuality.

I do find it hard not to think "all common and consistent fantasies are natural."

So you do think that rape fantasies are natural. Pick a position and stick with it dude. Don't be a coward.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I mean we know that trauma informs sexuality, so it makes sense, to me, that gender trauma informs sexuality.

So where do the men and women who enjoy sexualized dominance fit into that?

So you do think that rape fantasies are natural. Pick a position and stick with it dude. Don't be a coward.

You have cornered me on that and obviously I completely understand the terrible moral logic of it. I can describe it.

Pattern seems so overwhelming though I don't know what to make of that.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So where do the men and women who enjoy sexualized dominance fit into that?

I'm not talking about men at all. Male socialization is not comparable to female solarization at all. I've already said what I think about women who fantasize about being dominated. If you mean women who fantasize about dominating then I don't see how that's relevant to the point you're attempting to make.

Pattern seems so overwhelming though I don't know what to make of that.

There are a multitude of other explanations apart from women having a natural desire to be raped, I've already touched on one, but there are more which you can find with a five minute google search. Take some responsibility for your beliefs/worldview, there's nothing worse than a coward.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not talking about men at all. Male socialization is not comparable to female solarization at all. I've already said what I think about women who fantasize about being dominated. If you mean women who fantasize about dominating then I don't see how that's relevant to the point you're attempting to make.

Well the claim is men enjoy sexual domination because they are brought into an environment that rewards those desires.

Why would a woman have those desires?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've already said what I think about women who fantasize about being dominated. If you mean women who fantasize about dominating then I don't see how that's relevant to the point you're attempting to make.