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[–]BiologyIsReal[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Yeah, this thread seems to have run out its course. I'll remain blocked unless the other mods decide to show up to mod it.

u/MarkTwainiac, feel free to make that thread for re-posting.

u/Porcelain_Quetzal, since you're the official QT mod you could show up once in while since QT users evidently don't like my modding style.

u/grixit, when I accepted to give you a hand, I wasn't expecting you'll dissappear and let me in charge of the sinking ship.

[–]HouseplantMaybe women who are afraid of men should stay home? #feminist 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

He didn’t like our tone or how we poked holes in his shit arguments. Same as every qt or tra adjacent poster.

[–]inkling 5 insightful - 9 fun5 insightful - 8 fun6 insightful - 9 fun -  (12 children)

I cannot believe how big of a tantrum this sub is having over me deleting two threads.

For the millionth time: I only deleted two posts that were more clarifying questions rather than debate questions because I was told by multiple people (including a mod) to stick to debating. I genuinely thought I was doing what people wanted.

The circlejerk you guys are having over what youve decided is just me not being able to handle your Super Smart Arguments is actually really sad.

[–]HouseplantMaybe women who are afraid of men should stay home? #feminist 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Mild criticism of you is a wild giant tantrum? If we’re so sad with our big dumb arguments why not make a decent point that refutes a single one instead of screaming ‘sauce!? Sauce please!?’ When someone says rape hurts a woman?

Why do you need answers and sources so badly for something you think is so stupid?

Why are you still posting here like you want a last word or some zinger if we’re all so dumb and wrong? Surely you’d just wow us with your intellect and then run back to your fellow brainiacs on r/traaaaaaaaans.

Your inability to adapt to a forum outside of Reddit and refusal to read what we say before asking silly questions means we are sad and wrong? 👍🏻 Checks out. We are wrong about sexed segregation and you’ve proven it by ignoring our arguments and calling it a circlejerk. Good one man, sure showed us.

[–]inkling 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (8 children)

Why are you still posting here like you want a last word

...Am I being kicked off the sub or something? Why shouldnt I be posting here?

[–]HouseplantMaybe women who are afraid of men should stay home? #feminist 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You’re more than welcome to, just engage with intellectual honesty and don’t take a community that does not coddle, so personally.

I asked why you’re posting if you think we’re so dumb and wrong, that does not imply you can’t post here. It asks why you want to post to people you think are stupid and circle jerking.

[–]inkling 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I have been trying. Im apparently not allowed to ask clarifying questions, ask for data (after providing my own data!), ask why people use the fun button as a downvote, or respond to comments (this is apparently needing the last word, magically it is not needing the last word when you respond to my comments). Im also apparently not allowed to delete my threads which arent debate centered after being told to stick to debate by a mod and other users. And now apparently its a problem that Im even still posting in general. Your subsaidit is a joke. And youll all circlejerk about how you ran someone out of your subsaidit because youre all just so Super Smart and they couldnt handle how big your brains were.

P. S. Everyone who is so pleased with themselves for "misgendering" me or "correctly" guessing my sex (MarkTwainiac), Im a trans man. I guess your male/female psychology theories arent so Super Smart after all, huh?

Edit: they once again edited their comment after I had already hit reply so parts of my comment dont make sense but Im not bothering to clarify this time

[–]HouseplantMaybe women who are afraid of men should stay home? #feminist 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can ask for data, but the claims made should require data. A claim like ‘these women who were raped or attacked were harmed’ does not require further proof beyond existence of the case.

A claim like “x number of women will be harmed each day be erasing women’s spaces’ would require further data.

You are allowed to delete your threads? Nobody stopped you. Twain asked if you would please restore them and a two second joke was made about why you deleted them in a similar fashion to about ten other users who have asked poor questions, gotten annoyed by our answers, and deleted their threads as well.

This is not actually preventing you from deleting or making posts.

Please, show me where we call ourselves clever or are making jokes about someone being ran out. I can’t find that post.

If you do intend on posting here it might help for you to make an effort to differentiate us as individuals and not a team you are arguing against. This is the second time you’ve complained to me about what someone else has said to you as though I’m to justify it or am responsible for it. Few people will respond well to being spoken to like they are a member of a hive mind. It comes across as trolling and really disinterested in honest debate.

Do you want to take the high road or not? You start off there and then trip into far snarkier statements than what we’re made about you. The fun vote immediately after complaining about it? Cmon.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

P. S. Everyone who is so pleased with themselves for "misgendering" me or "correctly" guessing my sex (MarkTwainiac), Im a trans man. I guess your male/female psychology theories arent so Super Smart after all, huh?

Sheesh. Reading comprehension seems not to be your strong suit. Nor nuance, either. This is the statement I made that you say amounts to "misgendering" you:

Also, your use of the term "circlejerk" will definitely strike others here as indicative of your sex and sensibility.

Anyone who actually reads what I wrote word by word will see that I carefully phrased it so that I did not state what sex I thought you might be. I said that your repeated use of a vulgar term for male group masturbation that historically has been most commonly used by tween and teen boys, and today is a fave of those want to affect a macho edgelord persona online, "will definitely strike others here as indicative of your sex and sensibility." Which it does. But I purposely stopped short of naming which sex. Coz the fact is, some of the most misogynistic people on earth today are female. Some are females who "identify as" the opposite sex or as "non binary," but others are just plain bog standard female people who don't make claims to having any special gender identities. Though many have bought into gender ideology.

Since I'm having to spell everything out, I was also making a joking reference to a famous book by Jane Austen that you might find eye-opening.

I guess your male/female psychology theories arent so Super Smart after all, huh?

Where, pray tell, did I put forward any sweeping "male/female psychology theories"? Even if I had put forward such theories, I don't think they'd be as simplistic as you imagine. I'd never suggest that misogyny, vulgarity, braggadocio and preoccupation with dicks and guys wanking are exclusive to male psychology. Coz lots of females proudly display these traits and tendencies especially today. Some even do so in the misguided belief that it makes them seem like big cocksure men.

[–]inkling 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

For someone mocking others over their reading comprehension you didn’t comprehend that only one part of my comment applied to you (when you tried to guess my sex) and the rest was referring specifically to other people

You’re being ableist at this point by making disparaging comments about having to spell out jokes to me considering I’ve said I have autism and don’t understand jokes. Seriously what is wrong with you all??

[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're welcome to participate here. However, even though we are a small sub most users here are GC. So, you'll have to expect pushback over your views on this topic, certainly more pushback than what you are likely used to on other internet spaces. It'd be good to if you answered our questions back, too.

[–]inkling 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

You think the problem is “pushback”? People are mocking me for being autistic and not getting jokes at this point. You really think the problem with your sub is that GC “pushes back” or is just too factual or too in touch with reality or whatever other reasons I’ve seen people say? I was fine with “pushback”, what this is isn’t “pushback”.

And I was responding to questions earlier and only stopped because I thought you told me to

I was apparently gravely wrong in that judgement but the response to it has been kind of shocking

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never told you to stop replying questions or that you threads were not fit for the sub other the one about the fun button. Unless yours threads are deleted or I or the other mods explicitly tell you that they are inappropriate while speaking as mods, they are fine.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The only tantrum I see here is the one you're throwing.

For the millionth time: I only deleted two posts that were more clarifying questions rather than debate questions because I was told by multiple people (including a mod) to stick to debating. I genuinely thought I was doing what people wanted.

The two threads you deleted might have been started by you, but they ended up being not all about you and your views - or even mainly about you and your input. Many posters were engaging with one another on those threads, not with you. A number of posters had little or no direct interaction with you at all, in fact.

The views, arguments, factual information posted on those threads that made the threads interesting and illuminating were all made by other people, not by you. But you unilaterally decided to put an end to the discussions different people were having by taking the entire threads down. I believe you did this to shut other posters up, and to remove the views, information and facts we posted on those threads from public view.

But hey, have at it with the phony baloney claim that you really were acting selflessly and for a noble purpose, promoting community spirit and regard for others by considerately and compassionately "doing what people wanted." Funny, that sounds a lot like "you asked for it" and "you made me do it!"

[–]inkling 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah the collective meltdown the sub is having because two posts were taken away from them and all the name calling and ableism isn’t a tantrum at all. It’s magically only a tantrum when I defend and explain myself. Its not really my problem if you don’t believe me that I took some comments too literally and acted on that, if you’d rather believe this narrative you made up in your head then that’s your decision.

[–]inkling 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (14 children)

They were both my threads and I deleted them because multiple people clarified to me that this sub was solely for "debate" and that it was not appropriate to post meta questions, "interrogate" others, or ask gender critical people questions clarifying their beliefs. I deleted them because I thought that's what the logical thing to do was given that they weren't appropriate for the subreddit. Now I see many of you are telling each other that its just because I couldnt handle facts or didnt like your tone or that Im a troll or other things like that. None of those things are true. You cant have it both ways, you cant tell me to stick to debate and then get upset when I delete my posts that werent strictly debate questions and then circlejerk with each other about how dumb or sensitive I am.

[–]worried19 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's for discussion, too, not just debate! This is such a small sub as it is, and I personally am happy to have any QT participation.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I deleted them because I thought that's what the logical thing to do was given that they weren't appropriate for the subreddit

This isn't reddit, though.

you cant tell me to stick to debate and then get upset when I delete my posts that werent strictly debate questions and then circlejerk with each other about how dumb or sensitive I am.

No one called you dumb or said you were too sensitive. People challenged you because you weren't offering your views, just being goady and contrarian.

Also, your use of the term "circlejerk" will definitely strike others here as indicative of your sex and sensibility.

Please reinstate the threads you deleted. Thank you.

[–]inkling 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

This isn't reddit, though.

Im used to reddit and misspoke? I dont use saidit at all other than this sub. I dont understand what the point of nitpicking my words is. I was told anything other than debate was not appropriate, and thats why I deleted my threads, not for all the reasons you guys have made up.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you don't use saidit except for this sub, why couldn't you be bothered to read some past threads on this sub? The history doesn't go very far back.

As for "nitpicking" of your words: terms and their definitions have always been core issues in human debate and discourse. In debates and discussions of sex, gender and gender ideology in recent years in particular, contentious disagreements over what words and phrases mean, or they're supposed to mean, play an especially large role. Nobody here is singling you out for mistreatment. We are equal opportunity nitpickers.

Also, as worried19 can attest, some of us nitpick the posts of persons we are generally in agreement with.

[–]inkling 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

If you don't use saidit except for this sub, why couldn't you be bothered to read some past threads on this sub?

I have been?

As for "nitpicking" of your words: terms and their definitions have always been core issues in human debate and discourse.

I disagree that nitpicking that I accidentally wrote subreddit instead of subsaidit (and ignoring other more important parts of my comment) is a core issue in human debate and discourse haha.

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The only thread that was not appropriate was the one about the fun button, which I deleted since I didn't think there was much to discuss there. The other threads were fine by the sub rules. I found odd you asked us what makes someone "trans" but I answered the question anyway.

[–]inkling 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

While we're at it, since I guess I have to ask my questions on other peoples meta posts since my meta posts arent allowed, Flaming and personal attacks are apparently against the subsaidit rules but so far flippyking has either said or implied that im:

Out of touch with reality

A troll and a shallow troll

Passive aggressive

And just generally been the most hostile person here, not just to me but to everyone that they interact with apparently.

[–]inkling 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

The only thread that was not appropriate was the one about the fun button, which I deleted since I didn't think there was much to discuss there

You deleted my meta post which was getting lots of responses because you "didnt think there was much to discuss" but this super specific thread just about me deleting my posts is fine? What a double standard

[–]inkling 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You didn’t respond to this comment. So meta posts ABOUT ME are appropriate if GC posts them?

[–]worried19 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks worried19! Like I said on one of those threads, I've really enjoyed our exchanges. Many of your posts have really jogged my memory and thinking.

[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Both threads were made by the same user and said user deleted them because, I guess, they didn't like our tone. You can find and access those threads thread by diging through the comments tab or through your posting history. Unfortunately, there is easy way to find them anymore.

I get your annoyance. That was one of the many things it bothered me about our resident spammer. I spent a lot of time writing explanations about what sex is that were easy to understand and looking up free and reliable online sources. And they just deleted them after a while so we didn't notice those threads were written by the same person sooner.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think it was more than our tone that was the issue. It was the factual information posted by many parties.

Is it okay if I start a thread for posters to re-post material that got deleted which we think are of value?

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

facts have a "tone" in the sense that they are in tune with reality.

[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, it's okay. Go ahead.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean…

Are we really shocked?

TRA’s gonna TRA

[–]GenderbenderSex-segregated spaces in public are not a right 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I am QT and didn't notice the threads were deleted until I saw this thread. I wondered why people weren't replying to my comments but I assumed people were tired of discussing with me. Anyway, I'm disappointed those threads were deleted. We had some interesting discussions.

[–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

A redditor said it best: GC berates (not debates) QT.

It's like Olympians (GC) vs ParaOlympians (QT): [mental] gymnastics. 🙃

[–]inkling 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Absolute disgusting ableism

[–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

But its VERY accurate and a good reference since the Olympics recently ended. 😄 well, the Paraolympics ends September 5th, and it's actually more exciting than the Olympics... they do amazing shit! 👏🏾

[–]inkling 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You are really unironically comparing your debating skills to the worlds best athletes, this is in addition to you telling each other than youre all by yourself here because youre just too logical, too in touch with reality, too consistent. Someone else described their own comments (and others) as being "thoughtful, informed and illuminating". Could GC have more of a hard on for themselves? what a joke