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[–]fuckingsealions 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here's the thing... As a group, you're both men. This is not a "enemy of my enemy" situation. You're the same thing. If you're serious about this, then you need to start by spending your time actively working to convince your fellow men that it's wrong to rape and murder women.

[–]CaliforniGinger 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad you're a supporter! Of course we do realize we need men on our side in our struggle for liberation - I don't know how the rules will end up shaking out down here, but if we end up with separate places again, it might be good to have a GenderCriticalEveryone sub for us to talk and strategize on and chat even. It's very cool that you respected the boundary last time.

When it comes to having female only places to talk, Lundy Bancroft at https://peaklivingnetwork.org/readings/ said:

"BUILDING ALLIANCES

Unity between men and women in liberation struggles is a challenge. Sexism, like all forms of oppression, is divisive. The quality of our alliances with women is going to be up to us; women will trust us to the extent that we earn their trust. Every time they work with us, women will be wondering, “Are our concerns going to be gradually pushed aside? ls our leadership going to be undermined? Are our working relationships going to be sexualized? Are we going to feel silent and invisible?” Women have good reason to worry, because these dynamics unfold in almost every mixed-gender organizations, no matter how conscious the men appear to be.

Women pay other prices to have men along as allies; we insist that they temper their outrage, we expect that they should be grateful to us, we demand that they listen to us whine. If we step outside of these habits, and above all stop sexualizing working relationships, we’ll find ourselves gradually less and less on trial.

The quality of our listening will be the other key determinant; our defensiveness is one of the biggest obstacles to effective alliances.

“DIVISIVENESS”

Women who speak bluntly about sexism, or who demand opportunities to gather without men present, get accused of “divisiveness.” These women are not causing divisions. They are, rather, refusing to ignore the divisions that sexism has created, refusing to continue the charade of unity. When women get opportunities for separateness, the possibility for true unity actually increases. Why? Because women gain the centeredness and solidarity to operate from their own reality instead of from pretense. They then come back to their relationships with men able to insist on redefining them, instead of having to accept them on men’s terms.

This same principle holds across all lines of oppression: genuine unity is only possible as we learn to better understand and respect the different experiences of the oppressed, their different cultures, and their different relationships to social power."

The most important part I think is "When women get opportunities for separateness, the possibility for true unity actually increases." I've found it be very true and it's not really a slap at men as much as a centering practice for us, a way to sort of ground ourselves before going back into the battle.

Anyway, welcome to the movement!

[–]jelliknight 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Best part of your post is the term "scrotes" lol, thanks for that, I've never heard it before.

TBH this sort of post is exactly the reason men were discouraged from posting on the GC subreddit. You may not mean it, but it comes off pretty condescending and since women have to deal with a constant background level of that, it's nice to have a place away from it. Thats why we sent the 'scrotes' to GC Guys when possible.

I do agree with the overall point of your post but I'll outline exactly where it sounds condescending just so you can see: "you will need men to beat this.. if you think you don't, then you are simply wilfully blind". Ah hah. So we got this far without you but you'll pat us on the head and take it from here? No thanks. Had enough of that. We're not "willfully blind" because we're not interested in letting you stand on our shoulders to bignote yourself. If you care about the topic, speak out on the topic. No one's stopping you. "you ladies actually organised yourselves" gosh, incredible isn't it? Ladies? ORGANIZING? A world gone topsy turvy. "Lets put our differences aside and work together" We really ain't here to be told what to do by blokes. "if even just this once to safeguard our children and their immediate future." women are actually working for WOMEN here, not for "the children". I know it's weird, women aren't supposed to care about themselves but we do care about ourselves, our rights, and our lives. Many GC women are lesbians or childfree. We do care about what's happening to kids as well, but radical feminists primary concern is always for women and girls.

[–]Syphii 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I seriously hope the mods consider banning all men from participating here for all the reasons you mentioned. They can talk with each other in /r/gendercriticalguys (which was not banned).

[–]yishengqingwa666 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bye.

[–]radfemanon 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Users are welcome to talk with this user about this.

OP, women here may not be receptive to your feelings and ideas, there may be some that are.

The one thing I would ask is to avoid using the T*RF word, it is considered a slur.