5 y.o. girl allegedly assaulted in girls bathroom at school by 5 y.o. boy

submitted by malleus_maleficarum from self.GenderCritical

edit: whoops, looks like u/jet199 beat me to it. https://saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/5d5x/trans_bathroom_enabled_alleged_sexual_assault_of/

With the loss of 'thisneverhappens' it seems the awareness and discussion around male patterns of criminality is dropping. The risks of shared bathrooms are also still being blown off. So I'm posting to raise visibility of relevant incidents.

5 y.o. girl allegedly assaulted in girls' bathroom at school by 5 y.o. allegedly 'genderfluid' boy. No school staff were in the bathroom to witness the assault. There are conflicting opinions of boy's 'gender identity' as he occasionally wears girls clothes. School defends policy of allowing students to use whichever bathroom they wish. Mother files complaint, then lawsuit.

2018 article: https://decaturish.com/2018/10/u-s-department-of-education-investigating-claim-transgender-oakhurst-elementary-student-committed-assault/

Complaint filed by victim's mother: https://decaturish.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/TComplaint-1.pdf

Response from Dept of Education: https://decaturish.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/DOEOCRLetterForT.pdf

2020 followup article on results: Investigation concludes that the allegations of assault are unfounded and the boy involved identifies as a boy. School still lets students use their bathroom of choice. Title IX Federal lawsuit filed May 2020. https://decaturish.com/2020/06/department-of-education-cant-substantiate-assault-in-oakhurst-bathroom-finds-title-ix-violations/

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[–]GConly 40 insightful - 2 fun40 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

That's very likely a five year old boy who is an abuse victim.

That stuff doesn't come out of nowhere at five for no reason, usually.

[–]malleus_maleficarum[S] 29 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

His access to commit this act was facilitated by the school's inappropriate policies which pander to trans-feelings, and that's unacceptable. There's a lot of text in the links, but basically that's what the complaint/lawsuit is all about: the responsiblity of the school to protect the female student.

[–]GConly 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Not disagreeing.

Just saying that kind of behaviour in a kid that young is a big red flag for sexual abuse.

[–]Sun_bear 35 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 0 fun36 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That he is 'genderfluid' aged five is a big sign of abuse too!

[–]msteacherlady 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I know malleus doesn't want to discuss it further, but I don't really see the topic as a sidetrack. As part of my teacher training, we were educated on certain behaviors that should alert us of possible abuse. I'm afraid that some of these behaviors will now be relabeled as signs of being trans, or will be ignored when a child is identified as trans. I swear I'm not into conspiracy theories, but as a mother and a teacher it stops my heart that the TRA lobby is so obviously grooming kids and trying their best to create some narrative that parents are abusing their children by questioning TRA rhetoric. Very cultish.

[–]PassionateIntensity 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Trans ideology is so anti-safeguarding it might as well have been designed for sexual abuse. Schools are also hiding it from the parents, and telling kids they should keep it a secret from their parents. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/don-t-tell-the-parents

[–]msteacherlady 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh god that article makes me queasy. I teach high school, and the worst we had was a workshop about something else, but the facilitator's assistant was some kind of enbie so we got a booklet, officially produced by their organization, about being sensitive to trans colleagues and students. It was a bunch of horseshit that wouldn't stand up to the light of day, so of course it just gets handed out with a pithy "please follow these guidelines, ahem, moving on."

I teach high school science, so they aren't ready yet to stand up to the kinds of questions and objections science teachers would have. Although, I see we've now got Sam Long http://sam-long.weebly.com here to help cross that boundary https://www.genderinclusivebiology.com/bettersciencelanguage

A couple of summers ago I attended a conference focused on helping elementary schools implement new science curriculum - an age-old struggle because most elementary teachers have humanities backgrounds and wish they had more support. I noticed that once we all started intermingling, one group of elementary teachers had pronouns on their official conference badges. They had attended an optional, special session for select elementary teachers the previous day. I feel like they are so vulnerable. They want to do right by their students, and it's easy to sway them with appeals to emotion, which is all TRA's have.

[–]jet199 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My cousin actually had a kid like this when she was doing her teacher training but that kid was 4. Rather than being physically abused what had happened was his mum died, the dad got depressed then at sat at home all day watching porn in front of the kids. The youngest kid then tried to copy what he'd seen in the porn with other kids because he didn't know any better.

[–]msteacherlady 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh my heart...

[–]PassionateIntensity 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

100%, but instead of the school contacting social services or having a counselor talk to him they were so afraid to question trans/gender ideology they covered it up, endangering not just the girl but the boy they were "protecting." This is how institutional coverups of child sexual abuse start.

[–]malleus_maleficarum[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

...I'm not really down with sidetracking the focus from the victimisation of the girl or the primary issue of the dangerous policies driven by the trans lobby, so I'm not going to discuss it further.

[–]yishengqingwa666 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope they sue that school into oblivion.

[–]Catbug 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus these poor kids. Five year olds don’t do that unless they’ve seen it or experienced it. That little boy is probably an abuse victim himself and now he’s enacting it on other children. But transing tiny children is so woke.

The school should never have allowed the shared bathroom.

[–]Chkn 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In my kindergarden the bathrooms were just a row of mini toilets with no stalls and we all went together with a teacher supervision. maybe two sexes went in separately, maybe not, I have no memory of the peeing arrangement because at that age it doesn't really matter (I remember the hand washing part, tough). Beside that, adults should be really careful before pushing sexual (or gender) narratives on children too young to understand sex or assault. But even if the actual incident here was less problematic than it seems, the school should have foreseen that by forcing weird gender dynamics into the equation, it's just a matter of some bad leading questions from concerned parents to their clueless child (what is the trans kid doing in your bathroom, did he watch you, did he touch you?) to turn things very ugly, very quickly, for everyone involved.

[–]malleus_maleficarum[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

we all went together with a teacher supervision

Yep. At that age some kids are still having trouble getting on higher toilets, reaching faucets, etc. Who lets a five year old walk off alone like that?!

One can't help but think they are intentionally setting kids up to be assaulted or hurt.

Edit: It's pretty clear he assaulted her. They just can't prove it. So it's still problematic... if there is no intervention and no change in policy he will likely offend again... which is also scary for all the other kids who will interact with him.

Quote from the investigation: “The [school] district’s approach allows children of different biological sexes to mix in the bathrooms, an area where students may engage in misconduct out of sight of adult supervision. Given the serious nature of the reports of harassment reportedly occurring in school bathrooms, one might have anticipated the district would be extra vigilant in providing a proper response under Title IX.”

Interesting that they're maintaining an environment where they know it's a problem and they know there will be no witnesses next time either.

[–]MenAreFragileBabies 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I had a little boy look up my skirt from underneath my desk when I was six. Nothing was done by my teacher, and I was so upset. Thank god that girl's mother is standing up for her. I don't know if I even told anyone other than the teacher, because my teacher's response was so dismissive. It is so harmful to your psyche to be objectified that young.

Like many assault cases, nothing can be proved 100% because "he said she said" makes it a question of who is more trustworthy. I really hate that phrase, because it implies that evidence from women and girls is automatically less trustworthy or insufficient. You only need to prove something more likely than not happened in a civil suit, though. People get all upset over how quick folks are to sue, but that's the only way to get any justice in situations like this.

[–]malleus_maleficarum[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. When I was that age, a boy a couple years older was determined to beat my head in (with rocks, logs, etc). Any time I was alone he would try to run me down and smash my face. He was sneaky. He knew not to do it in front of his grandparents or anywhere someone might see the whole beating take place. He terrorized multiple girls at church. When girls complained, everyone said "boys will be boys" and laughed it off instead of making him stop.

It generally seems like only women care when their daughters are harmed.

If my mother, and other mothers, had not gone to his grandmother and issued direct private threats, he'd never have been stopped. Not a single father, elder, or male sunday school teacher gave a single solitary shit that a 7 year old boy was punching 5 and 6 y.o. girls in the head.

Like many assault cases, nothing can be proved 100% because "he said she said" makes it a question of who is more trustworthy. I really hate that phrase, because it implies that evidence from women and girls is automatically less trustworthy or insufficient.

Yep. And the doubt: "Are you sure that happened?" and ""Well we don't want to get little Charles thrown out of class do we." The older I get the more clearly I see just how young I was when people in positions of authority began showing me that I didn't matter as much because I was female, and how damaging those experiences were.