I would feel more forgiving towards TIMs if they actually fought for women’s’ issues – free and safe abortion for all, equal pay for equal work, guaranteed paid maternal leave, justice for victims of assault/rape, as a few examples – but since their gender identity is an “expression of who they are”

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...theres no reason for them to give a damn. Gender is a beautiful costume they can discard if it gets too inconvenient. They can’t comprehend what it’s like having to navigate this world as an actual woman.

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[–]ekitten 63 insightful - 6 fun63 insightful - 5 fun64 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Female issues don't effect them. They don't care about those kind of women (you know, actual women).

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 22 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

You would think that the majority of people would realize the irony

[–]SpatOuttheKoolaid 54 insightful - 12 fun54 insightful - 11 fun55 insightful - 12 fun -  (2 children)

Apparently those are "menstrutor's issues." According to TRAs women's issues include twirling, "feeling cute", "tiddies", and sleepovers to reclaim their lost girlhood at age 45.

[–]ekitten 47 insightful - 9 fun47 insightful - 8 fun48 insightful - 9 fun -  (2 children)

I remember in a conversation about abortion, someone posted a Friends still of Rachel saying "No uterus, no opinion", and of course the transwomen were mad at being excluded and cried transphobia. It's not even a trans-exclusionary statement since transmen have uteruses.

[–]Anna_Nym 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And the accepted "inclusive" language in reproductive justice is "people with uteruses" too.

Why should a transwoman expect to be included? They don't deal with either pregnancy or abortions.

[–]VioletRemi 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The same reason why being transphobic to transmen is fine, but towards transwomen is not fine.

[–]marmalade 31 insightful - 5 fun31 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

If you ever try to bring this up to a TRA, they either ignore you or claim that akshuallee TWAW and they started the sufferagette movement, all feminism, and human life itself. These people aren't capable or willing to help us.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Don’t forget the death threats and calling people TERFs

[–]marmalade 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's almost a requisite! The polite, levelheaded conversations are the outliers.

[–]3MistersAndAMissy 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not only that, they tell us we are triggering their dysphoria and excluding them when we try to discuss things that affect us biological

[–][deleted] 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s a fetish.

And if they take misogynist positions, dudebros will support them 110%.

[–]medium_tomato 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is exactly what I always thought. It's so obvious that they aren't actually women because if they were, they would want to fight for these things rather than dismantling actual women's spaces. They always out themselves in exactly this way.

[–]yishengqingwa666 19 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

It's obvious that they're not actually women, because they are men.

[–]cybitch 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If they were women, they would have empathy for other oppressed people, even if their issues are different from their own.

[–]oofreesouloo 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeeeeep. They only care about themselves.

[–]yishengqingwa666 17 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

...but they won't. Because they're men. They hate you, and would wear your skin if they could. Don't bother with "forgiving".

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be honest, I’m livid and angry women aren’t recognizing that these men are their ENEMIES. There’s no way around it. These MEN wish nothing good for women. They want to take everything away from us.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are a few who do, but then there are the majority who ruin it. The ones using violent language makes me wonder if Incels are parading as TRA’s.

[–]Anandamide 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fionne Orlander seems to get it pretty well.

[–]bio-woman 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Rather than fighting for women's right to abortion in Ireland, TRAs tried to make the fight about trans people and argued that legislation that would help women should be changed.

[–]Anna_Nym 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think there are some who do. I can't remember the names, but I remember reading a few articles by older transwomen using their experiences with transition to advocate for equity in the workplace. They talked about things like their work output being negatively compared to their "brother's" work or the difference in respect/assumed expertise they observed.

But it's definitely not the focus of the contemporary TRA movement.

[–]sisterinsomnia 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have read a few TIMs who understand the issues. Both of the ones I recall had lived several decades after transitioning and passed fairly well, so they had some experience (but only some) of what it means to live under the female condition.

But the new breed of TIMs are almost completely uninterested about real women's issues. By 'real' I mean that they prefer the imaginary woman of a certain kind of male imagination (eternally a teenager, very submissive, into being humiliated in porn and so on). When I read what many of them think about being a woman I can't get my head around it. I have done none of the things they rant and rave about and I used to be seen as a woman, though the new trans definitions of woman as just a head feeling decoupled from the sex of the body actually do kick me out of this new gender.

Sleepovers which turn into oral group sex! Where on earth did that one come from? I see it all the time, and the TIMs seem to see it as a rite of passage for all teen girls. Yet I never went to a sleepover and never heard any sex happening in them. The same goes for all the things they write about, including caressing their own breasts and so on. My breasts are just a body part.

[–]Anna_Nym 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I went to sleepovers. Neither pillow fights nor oral sex ever happened at them. Our most stereotypical activities were playing Light As A Feather, Stiff As A Board and Ouija.

[–]Fraeulein 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They like to forget that women are a marginalized group. I remember some TRAs saying something along the lines of "TERFs aren't oppressed but they should be." What world are they living in where women are not oppressed?