JK Rowling claims society is on brink of 'medical scandal' over transgender issues

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[–]jkfinn 120 insightful - 3 fun120 insightful - 2 fun121 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

She added: “The bleak truth is that if and when the scandal does erupt, nobody currently cheering this movement on will be able to credibly claim ‘we couldn’t have known’.”

I think this is one of her strongest statements. (proof she's pushing forward)

[–]just_lesbian_things 80 insightful - 1 fun80 insightful - 0 fun81 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

nobody currently cheering this movement on will be able to credibly claim ‘we couldn’t have known

I hope so. I want heads to roll, medical licenses to be revoked. I want violent dudes called out for what they are, and I want the right-side-of-history handmaidens defending them right now to acknowledge it.

[–]Riothamus 51 insightful - 5 fun51 insightful - 4 fun52 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

"I will remember what you said and did. I will remember how hostile you were. And I buy ink by the barrel."

[–]mangosplums 40 insightful - 1 fun40 insightful - 0 fun41 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

One of the things that bother me is that if the public ever realize the problems with this movement, I doubt they’ll ever admit that their behavior was wrong. They’ll just say, “I couldn’t have known!! I was just trying to be a good person and support oppressed people!” They’ll never acknowledge that they participated in silencing women who tried to speak up, they won’t acknowledge that they jumped on a bandwagon about a topic they actually knew nothing about. They won’t acknowledged that they engaged in slurs and slander towards women. They won’t acknowledge that they participated in harmful groupthink and bullying.

[–]GConly 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was just trying to be a good person and support oppressed people!”

I had one guy said I was hateful for picking on the most vulnerable group in the world for suggesting we should maybe wait for a scientific basis for medically transitioning kids who almost certainly wouldn't be trans as adults.

Ah.. Reddit.

[–]jkfinn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So true!!

[–][deleted] 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you think they'll try to ban her from Twitter? I don't know if it's just my imagination but it feels like Twitter's censorship has been ramping up. We all know they've been trying to cancel and deplaform her ever since JK Rowling started speaking up.

[–]yousaythosethings 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Not unless they're ready to ban Donald Trump. JK has the resources to raise hell.

[–][deleted] 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can imagine them banning JK before ever touching him. Trump is a man and the current US president.

[–]Riothamus 100 insightful - 1 fun100 insightful - 0 fun101 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Transing children thoroughly violates both the Hippocratic Oath and the doctor's duty of informed consent. We will see a tsunami of medical malpractice litigation in the next decade when the detransitioners realize all the adults in their lives utterly failed them.

We cannot forget the TRAs' role in promoting this atrocity. These people encourage minors to mutilate themselves purely so they can feel woker-than-thou. That I cannot forgive.

[–]gparmesan 88 insightful - 1 fun88 insightful - 0 fun89 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The flippant way that allies call puberty blockers harmless/safe/reversible is wild. They couldn't even name the drugs being used, but they are willing to share memes and Buzzfeed articles that make these claims with no facts or evidence to back it up. It is bound to cause a backlash to some extent.. personally, it's made me lose a shit ton of respect for friends and colleagues that have abandoned common sense in order to be a better ally

[–][deleted] 44 insightful - 1 fun44 insightful - 0 fun45 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yep. My TIF niece's mom has a health care background and completely fell for it. Sigh

[–]nrrw1996 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I cut all contact with my TIM, cousin. I haven't spoken to this person in years.😐

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Edit OK I'm replying to myself but I feel like I will buy all her books just to have them on my shelf for posterity.

[–]luckystar 40 insightful - 1 fun40 insightful - 0 fun41 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, we actually have a ton of people who were harmed by Lupron used for precocious puberty, endometriosis and other conditions.

The other thing is that the blockers can't be taken indefinitely, it's just used to "kick the can down the road" for a few years. These kids end up taking cross sex hormones at 13~16, and they're permanently sterile (since they never develop the gametes their body was going to produce naturally). It still boils down to chemically castrating children.

[–]Radfem_the_Hun 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The other thing is that the blockers can't be taken indefinitely, it's just used to "kick the can down the road" for a few years.

And yet the BMJ's Journal of Medical Ethics (lol?!?!) are writing hypothetical case studies for non-binary adults who would want to take puberty blockers indefinitely: https://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/24/medethics-2019-106012

When I started reading that case study, I thought it was about a real person and couldn't believe there hadn't been more fuss over this in GC spaces before. Thankfully it's just a hypothetical case, but the fact that they're writing hypotheticals like this in favor of keeping someone permanently prepubescent is just sickening. "Medical ethics" my toe.

[–]PlayCardsNotPeople 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How can we get people to take unnecessary medicine for the rest of their lives?
- Love, the pharma companies

[–]MonstrousRegiment 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Medical ethics" my toe.

Hilarious. And I love your username!

[–]blahblahgcer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I thought I was nonbinary, this would've been my dream... So glad I got out of that insanity

[–]onemoredaydream 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's insane!

It reminds me of a great clip of a debate from a person from Monsanto debating the safety of glyphosate. In other media, he had put forth the claim that glyphosate was so safe, you could drink a glass of it without harm.

The interviewer pulls out a glass of glyphosate and puts it in front of the shill. Surprise! He didn't drink it. He got all huffy and said something like, "Don't be ridiculous."

It's the same thing with all these supposed allies and the supposed harmless blockers. I wouldn't want anyone to go on those unless they absolutely had to!

link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA

[–]Literallyawoman 56 insightful - 2 fun56 insightful - 1 fun57 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Imagine if people radically loved themselves enough to dress and act however they like without getting surgery to feel valid.

The bleak truth is a lot of twenty-somethings and teens are going to end up unable to orgasm or have normal sexual relations with themselves let alone anyone else.

But it’s ok the TRAs will just assure them they’ve been asexual their whole lives and should just enter sexless relationships with other trans and non-binary people just because they will “accept” them and that’s all they can hope to get in life.

I’m already seeing this happen irl. You think the celebrity trans have a hard time getting dates with the cis people they desire? For normal trans people it’s even more hopeless.

Because loving yourself, having confidence, and working on your self all go against TRA groupthink. You can only connect with others though pain, despair, and trauma bonding. Everyone is a victim. Then they wonder why their community is so toxic.

[–]denverkris 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can only connect with others though pain, despair, and trauma bonding. Everyone is a victim.

No shit right?

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can only connect with others though pain, despair, and trauma bonding. Everyone is a victim. Then they wonder why their community is so toxic.

This is so damn accurate. It speaks, too, to the mental illness that is so prevalent among this subgroup and that is going almost entirely untreated. It's no exaggeration to say that this is how they relate to people.

[–]Radfem_the_Hun 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And the fact that not loving yourself, not having confidence, and choosing elective & unnecessary medicalization aren't exactly the most attractive characteristics in the first place.

Isn't the #1 rule of trying to make yourself more attractive: "Have confidence"?

I've personally found it's true. Someone objectively very physically attractive but with clear personality issues will be far less attractive to me than someone with objectively normal or even "ugly" physical traits but who displays lots of confidence, a great personality, a sense of humor, etc.

They really are digging their own social life graves and it's deeply sad to watch it happen.

[–]Spikygrasspod 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was reading the comments and I thought I'd read Mermaids' open letter to JK, since they're presenting themselves as friendly and civil opponents. They cited a study that purportedly showed that trans women are no more of a threat to women than are other women. But when I read the study, it said MTF transsexuals maintained male levels of criminality. Mermaids seems to have taken the statement that MTFs were not more dangerous than control of the same natal sex to mean they're not more dangerous than anyone. Which is false. Male violence disappeared again.

They also said that there are accounts of trans people being totally fertile, but they link to a study about males, plus one story of trans female who gave birth. But she started taking T at 25, well after puberty would have helped her eggs to mature. Mermaids is deliberately conflating adults going on hormones with children missing out on puberty. Where's the study on what happens if you don't have a natural puberty at all, Mermaids? Not that one study could tell us enough about such incredible interference with nature.

They say they see no evidence of young women transitioning to escape misogyny, but have they looked for evidence? Anyone who suggests it might be a possibility is shouted down as a transphobe! I haven't seen any study that even attempts to measure internalised misogyny in trans youth, and on the other hand I have seen several anecdotal accounts saying that this is exactly what made people want to transition. If Mermaids cared about children they would be as keen on further research as we are.

[–]GConly 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mermaids is deliberately conflating adults

When you argue with TRAs watch out for them conflating post surgical satisfaction rates in adults with childhood desistence rates.

Every. Single. Time.

Every time I've posted the childhood desistence data the TIM I was arguing with plopped a post surgical study of adults and then proudly announced that its showing low detransition rates, so my data must be wrong.

99% of the general population reading that post won't spot the switch in terms. Desistence/detransition.

They get pretty stroppy when you call them out on the difference. I think it's a taught technique on some of the trans subs.

Of yeah, and if you want I've got actual offending data from America. Same number of incarcerated and convicted, 20% sex offenders.

Same as other males surprise surprise.

[–]StratoBastard 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She’s right. And I want every fucker that let this atrocity happen criminally charged, and the malignant trans lobby busted up for the racket it is.

Fucking scumbags.

[–]onemoredaydream 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Surely the detransition rate isn't that low. Considering the spike in transitions over the past 5 years, I'm pretty certain that the number of detrans is higher than 1%. It would be interesting to know just how Stonewall calculated that number.

[–]greenish 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Just one piece of anecdotal evidence - I never actually transitioned, but was put on the pathway towards it. I felt I was being pushed too fast and other options were being shut down, leaving me with no way out except transition, so I asked for it to be delayed while I sought the counselling they should have been providing me with to help deal with the crisis I was in, but didn't.

The gender identity clinic behaved very oddly. I wrote to them seeking a delay, next time they wrote to me they said they had received no such request from me (so what are you responding to, exactly?). I finally decided to get off the trans pathway and wrote to them saying that while I still had dysphoria I was going to try to work it out myself, until more reliable medicine was available. They wrote a strange letter to me accusing me of not turning up to meetings that I had never been informed of, and saying because of this they had to cancel my placement and give it to someone who would comply with the rules. There was a further exchange when my dad got pissed at their weird evasiveness and wrote to them to say I had never been alerted to any 'meetings', and I did not want to transition any more because of the misogyny and homophobia of the movement. They wrote back saying they had no idea what previous correspondence I was referring to as they had no record of it, but they were now cancelling me because I wasn't suitable (which they knew despite me never having seen anyone yet).

Do you see? They didn't let me quit, my concerns were dishonestly disappeared, they had to be the ones to drop me, not the other way round. That way their records look like nobody is desisting, and they're doing a much better job of gatekeeping than they actually are.

[–]FediNetizen 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That is shady as fuck.

[–]greenish 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup. This was the NHS as well, not a private organisation.

[–]onemoredaydream 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They didn't let me quit, my concerns were dishonestly disappeared, they had to be the ones to drop me, not the other way round. That way their records look like nobody is desisting

That's so sneaky! I wouldn't be surprised at all if that tactic is widespread.

This movement is so insidious! It really does seem like medical abuse. It feels more and more intentional the more I learn about it, not just a case of good intentions gone bad.

The way that clinic treated you is the way narcissists operate. They basically tried to gaslight you into thinking you were crazy. Like the abusive lover who has to be the one to dump you, not the other way around.

I'm really glad their wig is finally getting snatched, lol.

[–]GConly 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sounds like they know they might be heading for trouble and are trying to massage the numbers.

[–]greenish 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This was a few years ago now tho. I think it's just the (unethical, agenda driven) way they have always operated.

[–]GConly 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

TRAs tend to post post SRS surgical satisfaction studies in twenty plus adults as 'detransition' evidence. In fact if you post childhood desistence studies they post these post SRS detransition studies, and they'll hope you won't notice the switch in terms. They'll be mightily crappy if you call them out on it too.

The post surgical studies with high satisfaction have a major flaw: they only contact the people still going to the gender clinics.

There's a documentary called the trans train where one of the doctors involved said they lose contact with about 40% of their SRS patients. Since they need to keep coming to the clinic, or at least stay in the local health care system to get hormones it's a fair bet most of that 40% have quietly detransitioned out of sight.

There has been zero research done on the teens currently going through the system. Of anyone says they have a low detransition rate they are lying to you.

[–]Esseteee 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Can there be some kind of UK charity organisation set up to help with relevant legal claims of all kinds, and could jk and others donate funds for this, that sounds like the best way forwards, it would need to become an organisation more powerful than mermaid

[–]Lyssa 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is my secret hope that JK is pissed enough to have her attorneys set up one... She alone has enough money to do so and the recent instant success of e.g. Allison Baileys (then terminated) crowdfunding campaign suggest that a lot of regular folks would donate too if only they had the opportunity.

Plus it would (once again) sent the "You've messed with the wrong one.." message.

[–]Esseteee 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes espevially as there is no crowd funding for gender critical stuff now there needs to be a a charity organisation yo deal with all related issues, the medical claims, the employment rights, the freedom if speech issues and it needs to have a specialist legal team many people around the world would donate to this

[–]Porphyria 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Waaaaay back in the early to mid 1970s, I read a letter to the editor of Ms magazine , which I have never been able to forget. The letter writer was a woman, who wrote her letter in the form of a fairy tale, about how [from memory as best I can] "Once upon a time, a wizard looked into his crystal ball, and foresaw that his daughter was going to be six feet tall. How could she be feminine ? How could she be submissive? " The letter then recounted the "magic potions" she was forced to take , to stop her from getting that tall ; she topped out at 5' 7" , which was "taller than he [her father the "wizard"] would have liked". She recounted the various health problems those "potions" had left her with, I recall crumbling teeth (and jaws-?) was one, but there were more.

I was 9-11 when I read that letter, and it's been in the back of my mind for years ; now I realize she was put on something to bring on early puberty. I wonder : Back then, was her permission needed, to have her body altered , or was she treated as a piece of property that didn't even need to be informed? I don't recall if she gave her age at the time she sent in the letter, but if the letter was written in 1974-1977, she was probably "treated" in the mid to late 1960s (assuming she was at least 21 when she sent in her letter). It bothered me then and it bothers me now : That that woman was condemned to a lifetime of pain (and infertility-?) because one man felt entitled to alter her body to what HE thought was more feminine and attractive.

So puberty blockers and puberty starters have been around for decades, and at least by the 1970s, it was known that they had bad side effects . Since then, lots of girls have been "treated" to prevent them from winding up "too tall"/"too short" by either bringing on puberty early or delaying it, even though such treatments are known to cause health problems. So how could anyone have truly believed that puberty blockers were a "pause button" that could be administered to young people with little or no problem? The information on what the things do to girls was already available, and why would anyone think that they were any safer for boys, or that giving them to girls OR boys, for reasons other than fiddling with someone's adult height would be any safer?

[–]yishengqingwa666 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you could find this letter, I'd be interested to see it. Wow, this is horrific... jfc.

[–]Porphyria 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I read it as a child when I was lucky enough to live across the street from a college. I used to walk there and read the magazines, back when pre teens were all "free range". Since we moved away in 1980, the letter is in ONE of those magazines published before then (I think 1973-1976 is a good guesstimate of the likely publication date). Real useful, I know...

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope to god whatever news comes out, it reaches the US amidst all this other drama going on.

[–]joy1090 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

God, I love this woman.

[–]GConly 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So, ahem, would jk be willing to provide some more practical assistance (financial) for the first wave of legal action? Just to get the ball rolling.

I only suggest this because she's one of the richest people on the planet.