Joe Rogan Experience #1520 - Dr. Debra Soh

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[–]uroborosjohnson 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not sure what to think about this. Debra Soh is a pretty big advocate of the idea that gender is innate, and that claiming it's socially constructed is a myth. She also says she feels like a boy because she does MMA 🙄 . She defends the Google Memo.

She seems to be a gender essentialist from the other side.

[–]milkmender11 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was waiting for her book excitedly, but now halfway through it, I'm disappointed with how reliant it is on garden-variety conservative talking points. IMO nobody puts it better than the detransitioners, we don't need to regress into gender essentialism to reject regressive trans activism

[–]Kristouph 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was coming here to see if this was posted. Dude, hearing Joe Rogan's reaction to finding out what autogynophiles are was priceless. I was listening at work, I didn't get to finish it just yet. She might not be rad fem enough for a lot of us, but I appreciate her saying what she did. Especially about children and autogynophiles. Hopefully soon he will ask Meghan Murphy on. Or better yet, have her debate a TiM on his show.

Who would have thought the fear factor dude would be the one waking up American to what's going on?

[–]emissch 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm about 45 minutes into this and she keeps using the word "gender" when I think the word she's looking for is sex. When she says "gender is not a social construct" it's like okay but what are you actually talking about here. I like that she's talking about these topics but it's driving me a little nuts. Will keep listening, especially if from what I've read she tells joe about AGP which is amazing. More people need to know and understand what AGP is.

[–]Oof_Too_Humid 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dr. Soh doesn't seem to be overly concerned about the damage that porn can do. Imagine young girls today whose first impressions of sex are what they see in porn? It's got to be incredibly scary and disturbing--enough to make you not want to be a woman.

That’s why I was glad that Joe Rogan pushed the reality of porn addiction when Dr. Soh dismissed it. It was kind of funny because his insistence could have been viewed as mansplaining. Here’s a non-expert guy pushing his ideas about pornography on a woman who is a sex researcher. But porn addiction is a real problem. I believe that porn addiction, and in particular, sissy hypno porn and forced feminization porn has led to the explosive growth over recent years in the number of autogynephiles. If you don’t believe me, just take a look at /r/TGandSissyRecovery/. It’s a sub for men, (thousands of them, often very young), struggling to pull out of that nightmare world. They can’t even go to therapists because the majority of therapists will just tell them they are trans and to just accept that. So that sub is one place where they can turn for help.

I’ve wondered why there isn’t more talk about the damaging impact of these types of extreme porn and specifically, how it’s "turning" many teenage boys and men into autogynephiles. So, it was at least illuminating to me that Dr. Soh, a sex researcher who has issues with trans ideology, doesn't even seem to consider porn to be a major area of concern.

I’ve also noticed that many GC women dispense with the issues of porn addiction and autogynephilia by reacting with disgust and anger. I get that. But we can’t just throw these issues onto the “pile of problems with men” and move on. If this is one of the reasons why a trans wave has suddenly swept over our culture, we must stem that tide by addressing where the ever-increasing TIM population is coming from. So, I reiterate, I loved that Rogan argued why he believed that porn addiction exists.

Furthermore, I think it's wonderful that Rogan keeps talking about transgender topics. Many radical feminists don’t like him for a variety of reasons. But if you look at the big picture—he’s saving children from being pushed onto the trans train. Between his recent interviews with Abigail Shrier and with Dr. Debra Son, and all the other times he's talked about transgender issues (and taken them seriously), he is raising awareness to an absolutely huge number of people. He's not perfect, and he certainly makes a lot of mistakes, (like for a while he kept using the term TERF, not realizing that it is offensive). But he's curious, he's learning and he's helping so many other people to find out what is happening. I absolutely believe that there are parents out there who, thanks to Rogan, now know that there are serious dangers involved in allowing their kids to "transition" (even when a doctor recommends it!), that they need to ask questions, that they need to be very wary of it, and that they are the last line of defense in protecting their children from going down a horrible path.