A man/transwoman commits suicide after botched neovagina surgery. These surgeries are dangerous!

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[–]artetolife 53 insightful - 1 fun53 insightful - 0 fun54 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh no. I remember interacting with this person posting on the neovaginadisasters subreddit. They seemed like a good person who genuinely struggled with body dysmorphia. The butchers who get away with these awful botched surgeries should be locked up.

[–]PassionateIntensity 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It makes me so angry. None of these people had to die.

[–]Literallyawoman 47 insightful - 1 fun47 insightful - 0 fun48 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I can’t find this posted on reddit and would share there if I didn’t think it’d be removed because my account there is flagged for being a TERF. Can someone post this so it reaches more people since they were a redditor?

This is terrifying. The fantasy of becoming a female woman meets reality -though I’m also disgusted seeing them write “I have no value even as a cumdumpster”. I feel that sums up what they thought being a woman would be-that they’d at least have inherent value as a sex object, because they are mentally ill and seeking validation from others which should be addressed by counseling and self acceptance NOT cutting up their body to mimic what they think a woman looks and feels like and being led to think becoming female will make their mental illness and self hatred go away.

For fucks sake being a man or woman is such a small part of who we are inside as our true selves. That’s what has to be worked on not how you “present” to others.

Basically amputated their dick and had the physical and mental trauma of that as well as an all new body dysmorphia from surgical construction of a Frankenstein vagina. And their community attacked them and gave them half hearted, artificial online virtue-signal cheerleading instead of genuine support and empathy. Terrible.

[–]Immortallogic 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Honestly? Let them ruin themselves from within. It's really unfortunate that this person died, but if people want to act like the transcult is the truth they are going to have to deal with its consequences.

[–]Literallyawoman 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It’s not that simple. Just like young children are groomed sexually they are being groomed to be trans. If you wish people to die regardless but let alone who hurt themselves to feel loved and who are obviously mentally ill, you are pathetic/u/immortallogic

[–]terfjuice 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hold on, now you're calling people pathetic for having an opinion. They're saying that these are the consequences of TRA bullshit logic, which is true. They did not say this person deserved to die or that they are glad for it.

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's an awful thing to say.

[–]PassionateIntensity 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"They" -- the community, the activists-- don't face consequences, though. They just continue to lie, con/brainwash people into self-harm, then use their suicides as proof of their oppressed status to gain more power. The real victims die.

[–]shveya 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I remember this person from neogavina disasters as well. He would speak to everyone there kindly and with sincere concerns, without shrieking about how everyone was a "terf" or a bigot. He tried to contact the hospital where he had the surgery done for help with the terrible results, and his butchers always brushed him off and ignored his concerns. He looked so happy and hopeful with his stuffed shark in the hospital photos. Realizing he was lied to and then pushed aside must have been heart-breaking. One of his last posts was about being happy to go to a Summer Solstice event with friends. Dr. Mengele would be proud of these "surgeons" for their butchering and sterilizing of gay people.

[–]jet199 35 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

While he was nice to us on neovaginadisasters he also went on the trans subs and slagged us all off and denied having any problems. Like many TiMs he was attention hungry and so had different opinions when with different crowds.

[–]Comatoast 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I saw a lot of flip-flopping between wanting to totally detrans and then feeling alright again. I don't think that they were exactly too mentally stable after that surgery broke down every last ounce of their self esteem. I don't want to handwave shitty behavior, I'm just feeling a little more emotional about this than I should. I'm probably about to start my period or something. Fuck.

[–]shveya 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not surprised, I don't think I could expect those guys to be 100% nice to women. That is pretty shitty though.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I am looking at his comment history on Reddit now and he seemed hostile towards GCers.

[–]Comatoast 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's a shame too, because they had terrible self esteem about their own appearance (which is pretty commonplace in.. well, tons of people anyway) but they still had a pretty face that probably would have been attractive regardless of transition.

[–]shveya 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought he had a pretty face too.

[–]Marsupial 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are also other posts where it's clear that he's overexagerrating the negative effects of the surgery and is imagining things (like the poop smell) that aren't even there. I doubt there was any actual problem with the medical procedure. This was a very mentally ill person who had unrealistic expectations of what the outcome would be and they shouldn't have been recommended transition surgery to begin with, they should have been prescribed heavy doses of anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medication, therapy and probably other treatments as well.

[–]shveya 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not surprised that he'd exaggerate, these dudes are absolute drama queens. The photo he posted of his neo "vulva" did look pretty bad, but I can't imagine that a "labia" made from testicle skin could look like a normal, human body part. They probably get a lot of these unrealistic expectations about plastic surgery from other TIMS lying about how gynos can't tell the difference between vulvas/vaginas and inverted penises.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How many boys who would grow up to be normal gay men are being pressured / incentivized to destroy their lives in this way?

[–]RevengeOfTheCis 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Am I missing something? Where is the proof that he killed himself? All I see is a tweet saying he did, and screen shots from his account.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ye there is no proof at all.

The account just stopped being used on reddit that doesn't mean anything. They could have just stopped using reddit or made a new account because they were tired of being messaged about it.

[–]Marsupial 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, there's absolutely no proof. Could just be a ridiculous attention stunt tbh.

[–]jet199 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Just a note that there's no evidence yet that this guy has killed himself, only the attempt. However the account has gone quiet.

[–]luckystar 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I kept wanting this account to be fake (the description of the neovag sounds like a collection of "why srs is bad" cliches) but they have SO many photos on their account from a period of years that makes me think it all has to be real, and that is so heartbreaking. I hate how the trans community tries to sweep people like this under the rug.

[–]RevengeOfTheCis 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The account appears to be real but I am confused as to where is the evidence this person committed suicide? It's just this one tweet...

[–]luckystar 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think their last reddit post was threatening suicide and it's been over 2 weeks since they posted again. But I agree, without a news story or obituary (are those public in Sweden?) or some concrete evidence, we don't know if they actually committed suicide or just stepped away from reddit for awhile

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why has being happy with your body become such a controversial thing? This makes me sad. Such a precious life destroyed over nothing.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I remember when Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" came out and she mentions trans people, and I remember thinking...but they don't want to be born that way, they want to change everything about themselves. It seemed contradictory.

We practice radical self-acceptance in every other instance (body positivity, etc) except for when it comes to trans people. It makes no sense.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seriously makes no sense. We live in a society where we are encouraged to hate ourselves. It’s not like the parts they are removing is defective either. It’s not an infected leg or arm or organ. Healthy organs removed while in their teens. Insanity. Of course when they regret it they’ll exploit a woman to create a child as surrogacy.

[–]yousaythosethings 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Did this person actually kill themself? I don't see the evidence that they did. If it's true, that's really sad.

I wasn't on neovaginadisasters but I saw this person's posts on Detrans and read through their history. They're from Sweden. I was just browsing Detrans since I have no reason to post their but the post caught my eye. They asked if they could post there even though they weren't technically a detransitioner because they were being silenced from talking about their troubles with their surgery in every trans subreddit.

I know their BFF committed suicide and they may have been a trans-identified male too.

[–]Cass 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

On one hand this was horrible to read. Can't imagine what life was like with those issues. Living hell probably.

On the other, he brought that on himself. He decided to go to the hospital, he decided to have the surgery, he took all the decisions that ended with him in that situation.

[–]SheepleArePeople2 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I blame those that misguide and exploit the mentally weak for profit.

[–]not_mean_enough 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These probably were not informed decisions, though.

[–]CastleHoward 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is awful. The whole thing is so heartbreaking. I feel it down to my toes. There is no reason he couldn't have lived as an unusual person that wears unusual clothes and enjoys the love and support of his friends and family.

[–]PassionateIntensity 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People get these surgeries because the trans community LIES ITS ASS OFF about what to expect and bans anyone from telling the truth. They don't even care how many of their own community they kill.

[–]Comatoast 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I have a question, and it's not meaning to be dismissive of this person's situation. It's heartbreaking to watch someone crumble when they had so much hope for a serious surgery like that.

But why wouldn't they laser/do permanent hair removal on the penis shaft (I don't even know if you can on that tissue) previous to bottom surgery to possibly prevent this?

[–]artetolife 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They do laser or electrolysis on the penis before surgery, but like everything else about neovaginas there aren't any guarantees. iirc fair-haired people get especially unreliable results with laser so that's my guess at what happened.

[–]Comatoast 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I had a gander at the poor soul's reddit posts linked in the twitter thread, and it didn't look like hair removal was performed on any surface. I know that it's unreliable, but to have full bush and butt hair (and I guess nuvag hair) grow in at total capacity is a travesty with how expensive those services can be.

[–]PassionateIntensity 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn't work. That is normally done prior to GRS, but it still grows back for many people. IDK about this specific person.

[–]Criticalofgender 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is devastating. Truly horrible. We need to stop this nonsense, for real. Gender hurts and should help these people through therapy and not through fucking medical procedures

[–]Marsupial 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This person should have been treated with all the psychological/psychiatric help they could get, not surgery. They clearly had unrealistic expectations of the surgery and life afterwards and should not have been operated on. I don't think their surgery was "botched", from a medical standpoint it was most likely perfectly fine, but it's simply a fact that a neovagina does not replicate an actual vagina and people should not be given the idea that transition surgery will change their sex, nor should psychologically vulnerable people like this be recommended transition surgery.

[–]LasagnaRossa 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

God, this is so heartbreaking

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I remember reading an article (I can't find it! if anyone knows which one it is please comment) about a transwoman who had transitioned and was now campaigning for better access to healthcare because they and their friends had had some complications with the treatment but had no recourse legally because the treatment was so new and experimental. So they were pushing for people to be much more cautious with medical treatment but also to do more studies that weren't biased or were not funded by the companies that profit from trans healthcare. They emphasized the point that because the area was so political, little research that was balanced and critical had been done.

I think it's appalling that someone should be able to go through the medical system like this with little knowledge of the risks and that the area is so experimental and little recourse and accountability for the surgeons and doctors who do a bad job. I think it's awful too how an area of medical science has become so political and heated that proper research cannot be done and that as a result people are received botched medical treatment.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That cry for help is heartbreaking. Some of the comments left on this person's post by other people are so heartless and ugly.

[–]WillowCreek 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Omg that was a hard read!