Why are women usually the ones who are really into gender theory?

submitted by sickofit from self.GenderCritical

You would think that since a lot of the policies hurt women they would speak up. But they speak up in the opposite direction. They’re usually the most vocal and obsessed TRAs. A lot of times I’ve even seen men saying “listen, we think this is stupid, but women are the ones supporting it. So what can we do?” Why?

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[–]sisterinsomnia 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The few conversations I have had about this suggests that the women who are into this truly and really believe two things:

  1. Women's rights have been fully achieved already, and

  2. trans people are so marginalized, oppressed and tortured that we must be kind to them, and we must include them always and everywhere even when that means centering them.

I think 1. applies to young women who don't have children yet and who might not be in the work force yet. 2. applies to older women, too, especially the ones who know someone who is trans, such as a family member.

I also suspect that one reason is the nonstop bombardment from the TRAs who keep complaining if the word 'woman' is used anywhere at all. The other side doesn't complain (I have started...)

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This, essentially comes down to how one has to come to terms with the fact that things are not so good... so they run the other direction to prove its not so bad to everyone while being in denial.

[–]threefingersam 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of women have been socialized (aka brainwashed) into being "nice" and putting others before ourselves, even against our self-interest. Some women have resisted/unlearned that conditioning, but it's difficult for others.

I think about how from childhood, female boundaries (emotional and physical) are disrespected and unacknowledged. Weak boundaries means greater vulnerability to manipulation.

[–]tuesday 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is always the women of any generation who do the majority of active volunteering, for any charity or social cause.

A variety of reasons, depending on the person. She might be aware that women still aren't equal so she thinks "if she can just get equality for X group then surely women will be next". Or if she thinks that women are equal enough then she might be expressing pity or kind benevolence for X group.

When it comes to trans, these women remind me of the "fag hags" of the 1980's. They clearly enjoy the testosterone, the aggressive masculine socialization of males yet perceived gay men to be "safe" for them to be around, sexually.

Last, it is worth remembering however painful this may be, that there is an average IQ in any given population -- which means half the population has an IQ below the average. Some people are just literally, quite factually, stupid. They do not reason critically, and are easy victims of propaganda. Get to them early enough and you can convince them to believe anything.

[–]CosmicFarmPrisoner 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Most people don’t deep dive the causes they support; they listen to the sales pitch and what the news says and believe it. Women who support trans may have no experience with them and are going off of what they've been told. Or they are deep in the queer kool-aid and are now more ideologue than person. They aren’t thinking about the consequences--they don't think there will be any--just that they are being good allies and sticking up for another oppressed group.

The normalization of trans has also been going on for longer than you think: look up pictures of Happy Rockefeller for starters.

[–]threefingersam 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh man, that reminds me of when ordinary ppl use the argument "but what about intersex people" when I'd talk about biological sexes in a GC context. It's hard not to facepalm right then and there.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're suggesting Happy Rockefeller was a TIM? Based on what?

[–]CosmicFarmPrisoner 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. I’m basing my claim off of knowing the differences between male and female bodies.

[–]WildApples 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think a lot of women may have been gradually conditioned into this belief system by mainstream feminist websites. Years ago, that is where I started seeing the cis-gender stuff get pushed hard. A sort of culture formed that suggested that good feminists are aware of their supposed privilege in supposedly being cis, whatever that means. For self-identifying feminists who were already critical of gender constructs, it may have easier to adopt this seeming kindness instead of challenging it and possibly losing the communities they had become a part of. Mainstream feminist websites were also where I first saw trigger warnings promoted frequently, so a lot of young women coming of age were groomed to believe in safetyism, the idea that people are fragile and need endless protecting from potential trauma and harm. Once women were conditioned to believe these two things, it became easy to accept that there was a feminist duty to subordinate women's issues for the supposedly less fortunate and traumatized transgender individuals.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

OP, when you say "women" here are you speaking of women of any particular age range/generation, place of residence, place of origin, ethnicity, educational level, socioeconomic/class status, employment type/history etc? Or is it your impression that all women of all ages and all backgrounds and life experiences everywhere "are really into gender theory"?

My own impression is that even though I live in a country where gender theory originated and now has become very fashionable amongst the most prominent and powerful - the USA - that it's probably inaccurate to say or assume that women as a whole here or in other countries "are really into gender theory." A lot of women I know and come into contact with have never heard of gender theory, and many who've caught wind of it haven't thought about it much in depth coz they're too preoccupied with other things (work, making ends meet, love relationships, raising kids, care of elderly relatives, their own health issues, and so on). And a lot of women who have heard of gender theory think it's BS, though they often don't see the extent to which it is dangerous BS that is doing damage to young women and is rolling back girls and women's rights.

Professional polling recently done on behalf of WoLF shows that in the USA most women - and men - are not really into gender theory.

I think gender theory is now fashionable groupthink and mustthink mainly amongst the highly educated, privileged professional and political elites who run the MSM, academia, the major corporations, the charity/non-profit sector, work in marketing/PR/media - and who use social media not for the purpose of obtaining and sharing info (which is how some of us use it) but for the purpose of showing off, virtue-signalling, attention-seeking and shaming and censuring others.

Below is a list of the leading occupations for employed women in the USA. If you were to talk to the "ordinary" women working as admin assistants, cashiers, nurses, primary school teachers, maids waitstaff, cleaners, home health aides, nursing home attendants etc I doubt you'd find they're all "really into gender theory." Same goes for all the women who are too old or ill/disabled to work; are collecting unemployment and reliant on foodbanks; and all the ones who are stay at home moms.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/society-culture/gender-sexuality/20-leading-occupations-employed-women-us-2012

They’re usually the most vocal and obsessed TRAs.

That might - or might not be - true. Of TRAs. But the fact is, most women are not TRAs - or vocal "activists" of any kind. Most women are not outspoken about their political views under any circumstances, never have been. And in today's censorious social climate/cancel culture, women have all the more reason to do what the majority of women have traditionally done: keep their heads down, bite their tongues and keep what they really think mostly to themselves, sharing their views with just a few close intimates.

[–]sickofit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey, sorry, I didn’t see this reply. I’m talking about young liberal women in cities. Honestly I wouldn’t really know what it’s like in other places as I live in a liberal area + am 18-25.