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[–]BEB 31 insightful - 3 fun31 insightful - 2 fun32 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

Your journey is very inspiring!

After a certain amount of hard life experience, many women, of all races, do indeed become Karens. As many others have noted, the Karen meme is meant to shut up women who won't back down. Let's not fall for it. Let's let our Inner Karen shine. Rock on, my fellow Karens!

[–]vitunrotta[S] 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

First of all - thank you! It has been kind of a Mad Max: FURIOSA Road, and yet I am content I reached this moment, though it took some time.

The Karen meme has been extremely conflicting to me. I know there are loads of people in the U.S. who are massive, gaping, racist assholes, as we've seen - but I am yet to see a single video of a MAN doing the same. It's always the KAREN. KAREN is horrible, terrible, not good, very bad.

Let's be real here though - the "Karens" in these videos are belligerent racists. But hum? It's suddenly only women (who are also a tad older) that are racist cretins? I think not. But you know - we're women. So even systemic racism in the U.S. can be pinpointed on one singular group of people: Soccer Moms™. People with vaginas. Persons with ovaries. Humans with menopause. Name it.

My question is: where the hell is mister "I have as big of a spine as I have a neckline" Mitch McConnell, for example? How come THIS absolute nincompoop, buttonhead, nitwit of a man gets a free pass in all of this? (Hint: it's between his legs. Even writing that made me shiver a bit, in all honesty. Ugh. I thought of his nether areas for a millisecond and nearly barfed.)

Oh wait, I know. It's because "women raised their sons to be Brett Kavanaughs and Brock Turners. Hurr durr." Well if that is the case, I BEG the question: where the hell was the father then? And if the father was not able to be there, what was the reason? Perhaps inequality when it comes to parental leave? Hm? Expensive, inaccessible daycares? Or maybe - just maybe - the entire invention of the almighty internet created imbeciles such as Turner. I digress, I am on a rant mode. Very little coherence here.

(Please note, these "questions" are hypothetical only, because we all know who are to blame for all of these things. WIMIN. I am also probably blamed for not "raising this generation right" even though I do not have any children.)

[–]BEB 22 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Whoever the misogynists behind the Karen meme are, they were smart to start out with racist women. That got people on board with the Karen hate - because who doesn't hate a racist?

Now, Karen is being used to silence any woman who speaks out, and I don't think it's coincidental that the Karen meme started around the time women started coming out as TERFs.

Karen = Burn the Witch 2020 Edition

[–]chrysthefeminist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think some of the racist "Karens" in the videos might've been set up.

[–]BEB 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes - that one where the guy followed the woman and he'd done it before.

And, let's get real, we could find videos of many, many instances of male Karens, except that a male Karen would probably destroy the store or pull a gun first.

Remember Game Stop Karen?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/16/gamestop-stands-employee-berated-transgender-woman/

[–]Constantine 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s so obvious that literally everyone in that video knows they’re interacting with a man and has just been intimidated and bullied into saying otherwise. I have never seen a woman act like that. Only a man would respond like that.

[–]tuesday 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

BEB needs to die in a fucking fire. hahahah it's just a joke, lighten up witch. I'm reclaiming a slur. two can play at that game honey.

[–]Happy_face_doomer 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

😮

[–]FearfulFriend 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Next time I'm nauseated and want to get it over with, I'll just think about Mitch McConnell's penis. Thank you for the visual!

[–]vitunrotta[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry 😂❤️

[–]jelliknight 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Karen" is a misogynistic slur. Like all slurs, it has no real definition. A "Karen" is any woman not doing what I want her to be doing. Asking for a manager makes you a Karen. Sending food back makes you a Karen. Anything other than total compliance makes you a Karen. They always start with the worst examples and then gradually broaden the definition until it's every woman.

[–]tuesday 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really do not like that name being used as a slur. I do not like people who try to "reclaim" slurs. It just gives me the rage. let's all be a BEB witch who needs to die in a fucking fire, shall we? Two can play at that game.

[–]SameOldBS 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Good for you! I'm really small - just over five feet - and I learned pretty early in life that I needed to counter that with confidence and aggression if confronted. I always shouted back at call callers when I was younger, and gave as much as I got. I swear it kept me safe in a lot of situations. Animals will always pick on the weakest members of the pack. It's instinct.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Good for you, too. :) I am pretty much the same height also, so here's a "high" (distanced) five for shorties! And yes... They go for the one that looks the weakest to them. Always. I wanted to add a parable of this in my text - but then I thought: I'm not gonna compare animals to these simpletons! The top of the food chain indeed, if we talked about the line-up to McDonald's...

But like you said, just that fact alone made you become fiercer. I also shout back nowadays if some bonehead thinks it's alright to tell me how I look. And I have some ~vocabulary~, baby. Once I walked by two dudes and while they didn't really shout at me I heard what they were saying. Pretty nasty stuff. I walked backed and burped on their faces. (I know how to fake burp the entire alphabet, thank you big brothers!) That shut them up at least. Small victories...!

[–]YoutiaoLover 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes! I believe attitude matters more than physical size. I told my friends that good posture, confidence and fierceness are effective to repel perverts and harassment. But they always said, "Easy for you to say, you're tall!"

Thank you for sharing, I'll try bringing your post up soon! Hopefully this can help them see that they can do it too :)

[–]vitunrotta[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great! And yes - at least from my extensive personal experience I can tell that attitude counts for 99%. I guess physical size might make some men more apprehensive but it absolutely does not deter them. In fact, I'd wager that they can use size as a reason to harass also: if you don't "look like a real woman" or whatever BS. Height or weight (or combination of both) can be easily used against a woman too, there are plenty of examples of this if you just check the comments on an Instagram account of any tall/big woman.

As mentioned it certainly was not an easy exercise but damn, was it worth it. And like another user stated: fake it 'til you make it. Enough practice and eventually you're likely reach the moment where you really don't give a fuck anymore. :)

[–]raslyana 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I had a very similar experience. When I was a teenager I lived in a bit of a rough area and I would get catcalled and leered at constantly. I too chose to wear baggy clothing, no makeup, just really trying to look as unnoticeable as a girl/woman as I possibly could. It didn't help at all.

What I learnt as I got older is that men actually back down and even get nervous when you own your own body. It's actually safer to wear makeup, fitted clothes. I'm not sure it's the clothes so much as the fact you have the confidence to wear them, if that makes sense? I actually read a post from a woman who worked in a care home with senile old men who said another member of staff recommended she wear makeup as it intimidates them from poor behaviour. And it worked.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing! Just like you said: what you wear does not matter at all. I've been leered at when I've worn a dress, baggy clothes, gym outfit, whatever. It truly doesn't make a difference.

And what you said about owning your body is crucial in my opinion. I happen to live in a country where the weather can get crazy hot - so obviously I dress accordingly. I'm not going to cover up and try to move around like goddamn Batman in the shadows when it's +35C outside. These past months I've worn some lovely summer clothes for example, some of them quite fitted indeed. And I looked good, not afraid to say it! But my body was now my possession only - and my frame of mind was "I bloody own these streets and you asshats will move aside." And sure enough - they did.

An attractive woman who gives zero fucks (& swears like a pirate) seems to be the most intimidating type to these chauvinists. There's some odd satisfaction in owning my body completely and breezing through the streets, and seeing how it's the guys now that look almost... afraid. Cackles

[–]TurtleFuzz 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Great story, thank you for sharing.

When I was in high school I was part of the show choir, and our director used to tell us all the time: Fake it 'til you make it.

That saying can be applied to almost any public interaction nowadays. I think about it when I need to be brave. And now I don't need to fake it either :)

[–]vitunrotta[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Love that.

It takes so much courage just to overcome the "fake" bravery and reach the real one. Keep going strong.

There are so many girls and women who won't ever even make it to the "fake it 'til you make it" level. That saddens me. And makes me angrier. Well - more resources for me to talk the talk and walk the fucking walk. Very aggressively. We won't give up, will we? ;)

[–]FearfulFriend 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Only by taking my space was I ever going to receive it."

I wonder if this would have worked in my marriage. (My ex isn't sexually abusive but he took up a gigantic amount of purely psychological space that kept getting bigger until he squeezed me right out of the household)

[–]vitunrotta[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm sorry to hear about your shitty ex. Then again, gladly he is an ex now.

I really don't know if talking back to a psychologically(/emotionally) abusive spouse will help. As we know, women are most prone to violence in their own homes. I don't know what your situation was exactly, but it might have been a good idea to NOT say anything. There's a good chance your ex could have started using physical violence when his mental torture wouldn't work anymore.

I hope you're okay and safe now!

[–]FearfulFriend 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm okay. I still have to deal with his stupid BS since we have children together, but it's not nearly as bad as it was when I lived in the same house with him.

[–]jelliknight 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Men are like dogs.

If a dog rushes you, never run. Prey runs. If you run you're guaranteeing that they'll chase you. If you get rushed by a dog, stare at it, step towards it, stomp and shout angrily. It will back away. If it doesn't, you're in a great position to kick it in the mouth before it gets to you.

And the more meek you act around that sort of man the more aggressive they get. Instead of cowering and crossing the road you have to look them in the eye and shout back at them. And if they do attack, you've drawn a bunch of attention, made it clear that you intend to fight back, and you're facing them head on.

The point of the initial rush/attack/catcall is to determine if you're an easy target or not. Compliance isn't their goal, it's their greenlight. This goes for abusers too.

Walk tall. It doesn't matter if they are predators, we are not prey.

[–]iloveyou 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That is true. Sexual predators wouldn't target a kid who is very educated and no-frills about sexual education, that kid won't be afraid to come home and tell their parents with concrete words and detail what has happened. That kid has talked to their parents before about what sex and consent is, and they're used to use the right words. A kid who isn't afraid to say "He exposed his penis to me" is much worse target than a kid who is so ashamed and/or uninformed that they are afraid to bring it up. Those may think it was their fault, those may think twice, thrice, four and five times and for years ahead that it's easier to hide than to talk about it. Good prey is too afraid to say the words.

[–]jelliknight 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And consider a kid who's been taught to obey or 'be nice' vs a kid who's been taught that you're allowed to leave and come home any time someone makes you feel uncomfortable and when you feel like you're in danger you're allowed to shout, kick and break things.

[–]vitunrotta[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

we are not prey

PREACH.