More than 200 writers and publishers sign letter in support of trans and non-binary people, TWAW, in response to letter supporting JK

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[–]BEB 17 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

But would they date them?

[–]Killer_Danish 15 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Every so often, in the comment section of videos by heterosexual male youtubers who scream "TWAW!" I pose:

"Then every single straight man here, every single one spouting TWAW will have zero trouble taking a shot from a 'female penis.' Either TWAW and a man gobbling a dick is a purely heterosexual act when that dick is in a dress and wig, or you're all a bunch of liars and cowards. My money is on the latter."

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes - wait till the minority of TiMs who are gay come for the straight men! Then those Beardy Woke Bros screaming TWAW might finally STFU.

[–]GConly 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A big part of this problem is that the public has been sold the lie that all transwomen had childhood GD, and they think virtually all of them are post surgical. They also believe they have female brain development and offending behaviour.

I know this because I challenge the people on Reddit threads about this. They all act with utter disbelief when I point out the offending, and most are heterosexual males with no childhood GD at all with intact male bodies.

The numbers for GD in male kids range from 1/5,000 to 1/30,000. 85% of these will desist through puberty.

Even at the higher number, that would end up as less than 1/33,000 males with GD as adults. The current number for the UK is 1/500. Even if none desisted, they'd only make up 10% of TIMs.

While not I'm not claiming this is all made up of AGPs (some kids won't see a doctor for their GD) it points out the numerical impossibility of this. Go back twenty years and the frequency of TIMs presenting as female was one in a few thousand.

I think we need to crack the public misconception before we make real process. I'm currently on that (book). Anyone who finds any data they feel is relevant post it on here!

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A big part of this problem is that the public has been sold the lie that all transwomen had childhood GD, and they think virtually all of them are post surgical. They also believe they have female brain development and offending behaviour.

Seems to me that the most fundamental of all the lies the public has been led to believe is that a) most TIMs are gay males who are naturally "feminine" and demure; and b) they all want to get rid of their dicks, and either have already had genital surgery or would if it were free and easily available.

The general public doesn't realize that the vast majority (80%) of "transwomen" are heterosexual men, and that virtually all TIMs - both the straight AGPs or gay - not only still have their male genitals, they are quite happy with their male genitals. They don't want to get rid of them, they merely want to rebrand them as female.

I think most of the public has never heard of childhood GD, or given much of a thought to GD - be it childhood, adolescent or adult - either. My hunch is most people just assume being "trans" must come from a tangible condition with considerable medical and scientific evidence to back it up. As a result, I suspect they'd be very surprised to see how flimsy, ridiculous and laughable the diagnostic criteria for GD are.

A dx of GD is entirely dependent on wanting, desiring, preferring the sex-stereotyped clothing, toys, interests, roles associated with the opposite sex. That's it. No dislike or loathing of one's own sexed body or genitals is required. All that's required is to really, really want all the "goodies" the other sex is perceived to have/be entitled to, and to feel distressed by these wants for 6 months.

Also, being AGP does not disqualify males from getting a diagnosis of clinical gender dysphoria. Blanchard says that autogynephilic gender dysphoria is the most severe kind of GD.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Go to the National Center for Transgender Equality's 2015 survey of US transgenders and read the report. According to the study (and I don't know about its methodology) a very small % of TiMs get genital surgery, and the majority are attracted to women in some way.

I think this is it:

http://www.ustranssurvey.org/

[–]Lessom 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How many of them have actually read what JKR actually wrote?

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As far as I can tell, almost none. JKR's words apparently have cooties, and they don't want to corrupt their beautiful minds by actually reading what she wrote.

[–]our_team_is_winning 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So it's writers taking a gamble that going Woke will help their careers. "Get Woke, Go Broke" hasn't made it to England yet?

[–]BrokenEarth 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Its not much of a gamble when you have the backing of most political parties, corporations, media outlets, etc.

[–]assignedcopatbirth 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

More than 200 writers and publishers lack basic reading and comprehension skills

(or they would know that woke first world trans people are living lush and don't need any more ego stroking)