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[–]MadLass 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Fucking Y-I-K-E-S. Btw just noticed a ton of articles posted in the last few weeks about how the rate of murder for trans women is up from last year. Its 32 for this year btw I think last year was 28. Murder is always terrible and awful but how many women are killed in a year due to domestic violence alone? Its difficult for me to even find a number let alone countless articles crying for justice. What is an epidemic is is the amount of young women looking to transition with their peers. Biden will just parrot what the party tells him so I shouldn't be so disgusted but I just am.

[–]MarkTwainiac 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In recent years, an average 8-9 female people are killed by homicide every day in the US. Annual total in recent years has hovered around 3,200.

In 2016, the number of female homicide victims was 3,208.

In 2017, the number was 3,222.

In 2018, the number was 3,180.

In 2019, the number was 2,991. (However, this is a preliminary number; the FBI's final reports on 2019 stats are not out yet.)

[–]Eurowoman24 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

wow that's crazy!

[–]YourSister 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for this compilation. It is difficult to find these stats anywhere else.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

FBI puts out the stats every year in charts that are easy to read and easy to find. There are 30 years worth of homicide data online, going back to 1980.

The Justice Dept also has tools that make it super easy to search through the homicide data going back to 1980 called "Easy Access to the FBI's Supplementary Homicide Reports: 1980-2018"

And to search domestic violence data through 2016. The stats in this one needs updating, but the options for searching are terrific.

[–]MarkTwainiac 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Btw just noticed a ton of articles posted in the last few weeks about how the rate of murder for trans women is up from last year.

The articles you're citing use the lingo of the trans lobby groups, and take what they say as the gospel truth.

Whenever a the body of a TIM is discovered and it looks like he died due to violence, the trans lobby immediately say he has been murdered. And that's how it gets reported in the press.

But many of these men will turn out not to be murder victims who were intentionally killed. Many will turn out to be victims of manslaughter, some of it accidental. Some will have died whilst in a physical altercation with another man; and some of the TIMs who die in such altercations will be the ones to have started the fight.

After being challenged on their misleading language and portrayal, some trans campaign organizations such as the USA's Human - oops, I mean the Scrotum Rights Campaign, have changed their phrasing slightly. Now instead of saying there's a "epidemic of transgender murders" they are saying there's an "epidemic of fatal violence against transgender" people in the US.

Trans lobby groups portray every trans person to die a violent death as an innocent victim attacked and killed merely for being trans. For example, HRC list of transgender people murdered in 2020 includes a presumably innocent victim named Jayne Thompson. The HRC's entry on Thompson is as follows in its entirety:

Jayne Thompson, a 33-year old white transgender woman, was killed in Mesa County, Colorado, on May 9. She was killed by a Colorado State Patrol trooper and misgendered in initial news reports.

What the HRC leaves out is that according to the police account, Thompson, whose legal name was Jayson, was aggressively approaching and brandishing a 10-inch knife at the police officer who shot him.

Of course, what the police say in officer-involved shootings and killings needs always to be taken with a grain of salt. However, based on video, audio and witness accounts, the DA said the officer was acting in self-defense, and that had Thompson lived he would have been indicted on several serious charges:

District Attorney Dan Rubinstein announced Wednesday that Trooper Jason Wade will not face charges for killing 33-year-old Jayson Thompson, The Daily Sentinel reports.

Thompson ran toward Wade with a knife on a roadside near Grand Junction May 9, authorities said.

Rubinstein determined Wade acted in self-defense based on video and audio evidence and witness interviews.

Felony assault, attempted assault and menacing charges would have been filed against Thompson if he survived the shooting, Rubinstein said.

An investigation found Wade responded to a report of a person standing near Highway 50 for two hours.

Thompson pulled a knife from his waistband and ignored Wade’s orders to drop the weapon. Wade shot him when Thompson lunged at the trooper, a report said.

A jury would likely conclude there was a reasonable belief of imminent danger if a person ran at someone with a knife, Rubinstein said.

Rubinstein’s office, the Colorado Bureau of Investigations and three police and sheriff’s departments took part in the investigation.

Similarly, the HRC says this of another of its presumed murder victims:

Aja Raquell Rhone-Spears, who sometimes used the name Rocky Rhone, a Black transgender woman, was killed in Portland, Oregon, on July 28. According to Facebook, she studied at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and was the owner and founder of International Barbie, a Portland-based clothing brand.

What the HRC leaves out is that Spears was one of 15 people to be killed in Portland in July in a spate of violence that made it the city's single most deadly month in 30 years. The HRC also leaves out that Spears died whilst attending a small memorial service in a private home where "a fight broke out" and two people ended up being stabbed:

Portland police say the stabbing happened at a vigil for Tyrell Penney, who was killed in a recent shooting. Police say about 20 or 30 people were at the vigil, when a fight broke out among several people that led to the stabbings.

I've been to many dozens of funerals, memorial services and vigils. At none did anyone break out in fisticuffs, and at none did anyone end up getting stabbed or killed by other means.

The HRC further leaves out that the other persons who attended the vigil with Spears, some of whom were presumably acquaintances or even friends of Spears, is bothering to help find out exactly who killed Spears:

Portland police have said little about Rhone-Spears’ death, other than the stabbing occurred at a vigil for Tyrell Penney, a 27-year-old who had been shot and killed a few days prior. Police said several people were at the scene and may have witnessed the stabbing, but most have refused to talk to police.

“No one is standing up for Aja,” said Tina Pillias, a close friend of Rhone-Spears. “No one is speaking out that was there and knows exactly what happened.”

Yet this hasn't stopped trans advocates, Spears' family and the mainstream media from claiming that Spears was "murdered for being transgender."

And the fact that Spears was killed attending a vigil in a private residence did not stop the HRC from claiming that Spears' death is more proof that “Black transgender women are being violently killed in our streets. ”

On its website, the HRC also says this of everyone who has died in the spate of "fatal violence against transgender" people:

These victims, like all of us, are loving partners, parents, family members, friends and community members. They worked, went to school and attended houses of worship.

That's a statement that's patently not true of each and every one of these so-called victims. Nor is it true of the "all of us" who the HRC presume to speaking of us. Whilst the majority of TIMs who come out in mid and later life are indeed fathers, plenty of trans people - like the rest of the population - are not parents, and this seems to hold true for those who this year have had the misfortune to die of violence.

Similarly, whilst perhaps at one time most of these people worked, went to school and attended houses of worship, it seems a bit of a stretch to portray them all as loving, devoted family types and upstanding community members who spent their lives holding down steady jobs, going to school and regularly attending church/mosque/synagogue.

[–]diapason 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

(A little off topic but…)

I've been to many dozens of funerals, memorial services and vigils. At none did anyone break out in fisticuffs, and at none did anyone end up getting stabbed or killed by other means.

Let's just say there's a reason I don't have contact with a lot of relatives on one side of the family… 😶

[–]LushCanopy 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

Next step: "if an 8 year old child wants to have sex, we should not discriminate"

[–]BEB 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The pedophiles, who've rebranded themselves as MAPs (Minor Attracted Persons) are already getting some media to claim they have a "sexual orientation"

Yes, in my and many other feminists opinions, all of this push to transition children also includes a push to lower the age of consent to sex, because if a child can be trusted to decide to make permanent, life-altering medical decisions (transition) why shouldn't that same child be allowed to consent to sex?

[–]greenish 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've seen a lot of that. Funny, isn't it, that they have an immutable sexual orientation that can't be questioned, but according to people in the same circles those gross old gays and lesbians only have a fetishistic sexual preference fuelled by bigotry, that they really should examine and work on changing.

Wokeworld is wild.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

There is no logic to the GenderNaut.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Yeah I saw that one coming as soon as I heard it suggested that a child could legitimately decide to transition. If a life-altering medical decision is OK, then sex should be no big deal. Right. Right!?!

[–]BEB 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I go back and forth as to whether the loss of women's rights are just a by-product of the true goals of Trans, Inc., which might actually just be transitioning children and lowering the age of sexual consent.

[–]missdaisycan 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They are likely inextricably combined. Women have long been the history keepers and moral conscience of societies. (As a whole, not necessarily individually.). Women serve as check and balance to men. This (factual role) was a major point in the fight for women's voting rights. Now - Discredit, erase the objectors = free sailing.

[–]BEB 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lesbians were the ones who kicked the pedophiles out of the gay rights movement. How soon we forget...

[–]spinell 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Very insightful.

Haha suddenly I got completely confused about if insightful is a real world in english, or if I just made a direct translation from a swedish word 'insiktsfull' had to look it up, turns out it it was a real word ha!

[–]IridescentAnaconda 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think that's part of it (as well as a profit motive on the part of Pharma), but I also think something more radical is going on. There's a transhumanist agenda afoot, and most of that is ultimately about totalitarian control of every aspect of life. One way to achieve this is to sow discord and chaos, funding movements that seem contradictory on the surface but have a net effect of atomizing society. At the same time, increasingly invasive technologies are rolled out. Trans, Inc. is just one piece of the puzzle: it sows discord and undermines reality (which leads to isolation) while increasing medical dependence.

Just as terror, even in its pre-total, merely tyrannical form ruins all relationships between men, so the self-compulsion of ideological thinking ruins all relationships with reality. The preparation has succeeded when people have lost contact with their fellow men* as well as the reality around them; for together with these contacts, men lose the capacity of both experience and thought. The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.

-- Hannah Arendt, whose works are worth reading in their entirety.

[–]BEB 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think you're right: there's way more to this than women's rights and children being transed - whoever is behind the gender movement is also deliberately attacking rationality, logic, science, free speech, etc., in an effort to cause chaos and sow discord and have people lose their bearings.

Almost every time I read Hannah Arendt I feel as if the truth is being revealed. Same with Andrea Dworkin.

[–]Rationalmind 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It’s just social control. Keep the people distracted so they don’t see when their pockets are picked.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly: divide & conquer, but I do think there's a bit more, like that The Powers That Be are trying to make us doubt our very biological selves, and with no sense of self, how do we navigate the world and our place in it?

[–]Rationalmind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right you can’t, you just have to take orders while someone else feeds you their version of reality. If people are too critical and thoughtful, they will rise up and take the power they are owed.

[–]SharpTomorrow 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

exactly, pedos love laws that give kids agency. Cause after all, if you can make life altering decisions as 6 without the parents consent, surely you can decide who you can have sex with... this is what a lot of TRA advocates, often women themselves, do not understand. it's absolutely a slippery slope.

[–]BEB 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Biden and the Democrats are such fucking idiots.

The most crucial election in my lifetime, when we have a literal mad man as US president, and he and his fellow Dems have to keep doubling down on the Flat Earther, women/parent/gay/children/science/free speech hating gendxr ideology.

Do the Dems not want to win? Because when they spout this bullshit it seems like they really don't.

But Trump is just too dangerous. I was listening to a conservative foreign police expert who said that the real fear in the intelligence and military communities is that Trump will just launch a war to save his own hide.

Trump will launch WW III to deflect from his own and his family's corruption.

Seriously, I think we are in an alternate universe.

[–]just_lesbian_things 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Eh, Trump is too incompetent to run a war. Does the military still support him? I think Biden is more likely to start a war than Trump. Most wars involving America in the last few decades have been started under Democrat presidents. Biden is probably still the better candidate, though, especially for Americans.

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, Trump is incompetent - and most of the professionals in the vast bureaucracies that are the US federal government - including the Pentagon, CIA & State Department - are not behind him.

Also, whilst it's embarrassing and downright scary to have such a loon as President especially from the POV of US domestic affairs, the fact that so many other world leaders and so many citizens of other countries see him as the buffoon he is has helped break, or at least lessen, the US hegemony in world and (most) foreign affairs. I think it's a good thing for most of the world, and for Americans, for the US no longer to be in the global leadership position it ended up in largely due to the two world wars and the Cold War of the 20th century.

What's happening within the US, however, is another story. It's really gone to, and continues to go to, shit. I keep feeling like the US is going the way Yugoslavia did in the 1990s after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the USSR and iron curtain.

[–]just_lesbian_things 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's a good thing for [...] Americans, for the US no longer to be in the global leadership position

Why not? There are a lot of perks that comes with being the global superpower. Americans have enjoyed decades of prosperity as a result of it.

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Americans have enjoyed decades of prosperity as a result of it.

Not all Americans, not by a long-shot. The era in which the US has been the global superpower (since WW2) has also been the era when both income and wealth disparity in the US have grown enormously.

Since WW2, Americans have been involved in a never-ending series of financially wasteful, mostly morally indefensible or repugnant wars and dodgy foreign interventions that have cost many Americans and people in other countries their lives. And the US government and economy have become all bolloxed up as a result, with too much money being spent on arms and wars and too little being spent on hospitals, health care, schools, as former general Dwight D. Eisenhower warned in his last address to the nation as POTUS in 1960:

As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.[

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

I think all the ills Ike warned about - and more - have come to pass. Rather than be the global superpower, I'd rather the US took a back seat, or least slid over to the passenger seat for a while. Let somebody else drive.

Lots of countries in Europe have equal or more per capita prosperity to the USA, far less wealth & income disparity amongst the populace, a fairer distribution of resources, more benefits, better education, happier populations and far, far lower levels of military spending than the USA. For example, Sweden, Denmark and Germany.

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not Trump's incompetence in running the war, it's that Trump is the most powerful man on Earth and Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military, and he's incompetent enough to start a war in a fit of pique and then we're all done.

Biden and the Democrats are war-mongers too, especially in the Middle East. This is a topic I know a lot about. It won't matter if we elect a Democrat or a Republican, the US is a vassal state, and we will be used as the military muscle when our controllers decide it's time to take down Iran.

So yes, war is on the horizon no matter what, it's just that Biden will plan it so that America does slightly better than if Trump decides to randomly bomb North Korea because Kim Jong Un made fun of his spray tan.

[–]just_lesbian_things 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

he's incompetent enough to start a war in a fit of pique

From the amount of people who have quit in his administration, I doubt he'd get the backing he needed. Trump's incompetent but he's not that kind of idiot. The only way he would declare war is if it got him out of going to prison, and I'm sure there are easier ways for him to avoid prison. Biden is far more likely to declare war, and his administration is going to be way more efficient and ruthless. Biden's the far better choice for America, but the more dangerous outcome for any country that's not one of America's core allies.

[–]Rationalmind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you sure? Maybe some, but Iraq and Afghanistan got started because of George Bush.

[–]Rationalmind 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

... Trump has brought unprecedented peace to the Middle East. The message he ran on was to end foreign wars abroad which is what the populist side of the conservative movement wants too. Spending in America and not abroad iirc is what they want.

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I know it could seem that way to someone not very familiar with the intricacies of the Middle East, but Donald did not bring peace to the Middle East. Trust me on this, the geopolitics of the Middle East were something I used to know a lot about.

Donald pulled us out of the Iran nuclear deal and then assassinated Soleimani, which could have been catastrophic had the Iranians taken the bait.

Donald's Middle East envoy, his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, is best friends with Bibi Netanyahu, corrupt Israeli Prime Minister and the man whose plan from the 1990s on was to involve the US in endless Middle Eastern wars.

Netanyahu's plan called "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" written with American neo-Conservatives, has been partially implemented. It's online if you want to read it for yourself.

Donald dropped the Mother of All Bombs on Afghanistan, and asked why the US has nuclear weapons if we don't use them.

If Donald gets re-elected or refuses to leave office, expect a foreign war. Biden might start one too, because he's also an uber-Zionist. So we're probably doomed either way, if that makes you feel better about supporting Donnie.

[–]Rationalmind 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Donald Trump did not drop a nuclear weapon on Afghanistan.

Frankly, not hearing about Israel and the aggression Israel faces has been a nice reprieve. I’m glad that the Israelis are forming allies in the Middle East. If Americans don’t have a need to be in the Middle East because of it, all the better.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Just a correction: I didn't say Donald dropped a nuclear weapon - Donald dropped the Mother of All Bombs on Afghanistan; it is the largest non-nuclear bomb ever used by the US.

This is not the sub to debate the Middle East, but suffice it to say that if anyone wants to know more about why the fuck the US is constantly killing innocents in the Middle East, South Asia and North Africa, or helping kill innocents there, or funding the killing of innocents there, a book called "The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy" is a great place to start.

Its authors, two giants in their fields, are John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt, at the time of writing the Dean of the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.

"The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy" should be required reading for every American and every citizen of countries America sucks into its military adventures.

And, to my mind, as someone who has been stuck in the middle of one, war is a feminist issue, because beyond the killing, there's the rape and the utter destruction of the lives of the most vulnerable: women & children. As feminists, we can help other women by working for peace.

[–]Eurowoman24 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

did a quick search and found that in france (my country) 146 women in 2019 were killed by their partner alone up by 21% from the year before, then tried to compare it to transwomen, then trans people in general and only found 2 recorded deaths from 2016 and a little over 300 from around the world.. Nobody should be killed but saying they're the most targeted/killed? really?

[–]ShotTopic 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Regardless, make sure you vote this election. I'm not a fan of Biden but there are significantly more pressing matters than this. We can't afford another 4 years of Trump.

[–]MarkTwainiac 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

there are significantly more pressing matters than this

That's your opinion. I know a number of parents and some young people who feel differently.

Punishing young people for not conforming to the rigid, regressive sex stereotypes held by their parents and other adults by telling the kids they are of the opposite sex, then putting them on health-destroying drugs that will sterilize them, stunt their physical and psychological development, rob them of the ability to experience libido and sexual pleasure, cause them to lose 8-9 IQ points, leave them with early onset osteoporosis and so on seems like it's a pretty pressing matter.

This seems a pressing matter also to all those who care about the female inmates in the California prison system who are now going to be forced to spend their time in prison locked up with male convicts, including sex criminals - and to the woman (women?) who've filed suits after being raped by a TIM who was placed in a women's prison in Illinois.

It sure seems a pressing matter to all the girls and women losing out on sports scholarships, awards, sponsorships and opportunities coz males are now being allowed to identify into girls and women's sports in the US.

It's definitely a pressing matter to all the elderly, disabled, and very ill girls and women in the US who have lost, or are losing, the right to get intimate care (such as help with bathing, toileting, menstruation, genital care, gynecological issues) in hospital, long-term facilities or at home only from female health care workers.

It's definitely a pressing matter to the homeless women being forced to share shelter provision with men who harass them, hit on them, spy on them, expose their dicks to them, menace them - and who at night have to try to relax and get to sleep whilst the men in nearby bunks furiously masturbate while watching porn on their phones. As was detailed recently by a shelter worker in Maine.

It's a pressing matter to me personally for a number of reasons. Including coz I am dependent on home care aides, but I live in a state where my desire and request for the health aides who come into my home be female is now considered "hate" and unlawful discrimination.

Why are views and policies that are already having a HUGE negative effect on the lives of confused children of both sexes, and on girls and women, not a pressing concern in your eyes? Why it is so easy to brush off the harm to real kids, real girls, real women and to women's rights?

[–]ShotTopic 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's not that I'm brushing off concerns stemming from this post, it's that this election has larger long term impacts looming. Right now, I'm more worried about the health of our nation (if you're also in the US) and the health of our planet than I am about trans stuff. COVID, health care, climate change, environmental regulations, the supreme court, etc. Get Trump and as many anti-science GOP members out of office first, worry about the rest next.

The point of my comment is that I don't want this one town hall question to be the reason GC people don't vote for Biden or don't vote blue down the ballot. The GOP is no friend to women's rights.

[–]MarkTwainiac 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for clarifying. I've been a US voter since 1972, when my preferred presidential candidate was Shirley Chisholm, who was the first woman - and black person, IIRC - to run for the Democratic nomination. I was for many years very active in Dem politics. But the Democratic Party today is nothing like what it used to be in the 1960s, 70s and 80s. Under the Clintons and their ilk, it totally changed, abandoning the working class, civil rights and the values the Dems traditionally supported.

There used to be a vast difference between the two parties, but now they are both corrupt, run by and for elitist globalists, and totally in the pocket of big business, the investor class and the new oligarchs and tech monopolists. Yes, it's true the GOP is no friend to women's rights, neither IMO is today's Democratic Party.

Also, I am fed up after a whole lifetime of being told again and again not to put women's issues first, coz every election cycle and every fucking year it's always the case that "there are significantly more pressing matters" than women's and children's issues as you said. I am watching all the gains women of earlier generations worked hard for being swept aside for the new, totally pernicious ideology of trans male supremacy and genderism. I'm in the twilight of my life now, but things look far bleaker for women than when I was growing up in the 1960s.

[–]Rationalmind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I totally agree. When Biden said that children should be allowed to transition if they feel like it, my mouth gaped and I couldn’t in good conscience cast my vote for him. I haven’t decided what to do yet with my vote, I might just leave the President box blank.

[–]Rationalmind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What about the argument that the GOP is the devil I know? Isn’t it easier to fight what you know than to get backstabbed by those we call allies?

[–]Omina_Sentenziosa 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, there are more pressing matters than women' s rights and children' s safety.

As usual. 🙄

[–]SharpTomorrow 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

not voting for Biden just because Trump is worse. either GC are radical or they are not. radical == no compromise. Not voting for any rapist, that's crazy.

[–]Rationalmind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t agree. If Biden had a plan for covid that didn’t put the responsibility on individuals to just wear masks, then I might agree. Right now I see it like my Governor, who left the state high and dry in a Trumpian reaction to fires (as a Democrat).

[–]worried19 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I can't bring myself to vote for Biden. I won't vote for Trump either, but luckily I'm in a red state, so it doesn't matter. It really fucking sucks that the Democrats have chosen this hill to die on. What doctors are doing to children in the USA is a human rights violation, and I'm not going to support it.

[–]Chunkeeguy 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Is it really a hill they've sworn to to die on though. Most people don't really understand trans issues at all and just think they're doing the right thing by supporting trans people. They have no clue about the social contagion, the autogynephilia, the autism link, the erasure of women and gay and lesbian people etc. They are going to have to be educated and part of that education is going to have to involve the participation of people who have genuine gender dysphoria aka mental health issues surrounding their gender (sex) identity - because if they are excluded from the conversation, it just makes the opponents of genderwoowoo look like haters. And we can't win anything that way.

[–]worried19 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the thing. They just offer blind support without even attempting to educate themselves. I used to be like that. I assumed that the doctors knew what they were doing. I figured that children got proper psychiatric care before the idea of blockers, hormones, and surgery were ever introduced. And then I learned that the opposite is happening. But I'm just a regular citizen, not a policy maker. These Democratic candidates want to be in positions of power, yet they don't even bother to learn what their support of these issues entails.

I don't really believe Joe Biden would agree with a 13 year old being given a mastectomy or a 12 year old being given testosterone, like is currently happening. I think he just says what he is told to. But I believe some of the other Democrats are hardcore activist types who are pushing for these things. That makes them very dangerous to GNC children and teenagers, and to women in general.

[–]Overdrive 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well we are also tying their hands behind their backs much like we are with parents. They can't question the child and are afraid to. I'm sure medical professionals are out there that don't want to touch this with a 10' pole because they can't in good conscience just go along with the bullshit, and if they did try to see them they'd be suggesting any other avenue of care first. No one wants to lose their license to practice.

Schools are allowed to keep parents in the dark if their child decides they want to change name and gender. Parents can get into hot water and risk losing custody of their children if they don't show 100% commitment and support to a minor's flippant desire even though they are the one adult who knows their child best. I know these things originated as some sort of safeguard or protection for the individual however the way in which they are hindering general practice and parenting today is just bonkers.

[–]BEB 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Democrats are such idiots pushing this gender shit, because one thing parents will never allow is for the government to make decisions about their kid's health and fertility.

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's been successful in other countries. Parents have lost custody for refusing to medicalize their minor children. There are people advocating for that level of government intrusion in the USA.

A few divorced parents have already lost the right to have a say in what happens to their kids.

[–]BEB 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In Canada, where this is already happening, the gender lobby snuck the laws through before most people knew, but many Canadians, in my experience, don't have the raging personal freedom obsession (which to some extent I share) that Americans do.

I also think that Canadians are eventually going to elect some Big Mouth Who Claims He's Going To Own The Libs type as happened in the US w Trump. That Toronto mayor-type could go national.

The gender lobby has passed these types of laws in some US states, well under the radar, and congressman Ted Lieu has a federal Gender Identity Conversion Ban in the US House, but Americans are going to have a complete hissy fit once these laws hit home. For instance, FOX News made mincemeat out of Biden's trans kids comments.

[–]Rationalmind 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed. And the parents that are trying to get their kids to accept and love themselves are called bigots. Children rat out their parents. We live in dystopian times.

[–]Overdrive 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

You're fucking 8. Hell yes we discriminate against 8 year olds. Can't drink, smoke, vote, drive, rent, have sex, any other service that anyone doesn't feel is appropriate for 8 year olds idk buying a puppy or arresting their parents for feeding them green beans IS NOT GIVEN TO THEM and we reserve that right to deny 8 year olds anything else that we deem irresponsible.

[–]WrongToy[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So I posted the yt about child transing in the political annex board where we discuss these things (I am the only woman there on the regular) and this happened


I'm only going to say this once, after which I will no longer dignify the nonsense with a response.

Puberty blockers would have given me a life.. I didn't have that option available to me, but I would give anything to have had it.

Puberty blockers prevent the start of puberty, which is NOT permanent. It does give younger trans people the chance to figure themselves out. Depriving young transitioners of blockers IS abuse. Forcing irreversible body changes in the form of an incongruent puberty is not only abuse, but leads to life long self esteem issues, public humiliation, a very real lack of romantic opportunities, job, housing, and other forms of discrimination and abuse.


You, to be perfectly honest, are the reason 41% is a well known statistic. You pump out these fake anecdotes and fake studies to push a violent agenda against the most marginalized people in society. Your rhetoric is both ignorant and dangerous and if I wasn't fortunate to have a very loving and supportive family, I wouldn't be here because of the type of $h!t you keep pumping out.

And then this happened from another poster:

Wow, you're just winning people over right and left here. Attack and name-call and claim uber-victimhood privilege. In your case, maybe more justified than many others, maybe not. Label everything YOU don't agree with, or that doesn't match your personal experience as FAKE.

Then you try to guilt others with the 41% number, as if THEY are somehow personally responsible. So, it's all <wrongtoy's> fault? Nasty tactic to shut down dialogue. But then, it's becoming clear you don't want dialogue, you want trans dogma. For those who don't know, 41% represents the percent of respondents to a National trans Discrimination Survey who said they had attempted suicide at some point in their lives.

OK, so you're not able to sustain any sort of civil conversation other than give trans advocates a blank check on anything and everything they ever say. You yourself seem to be guilty of the extremely narrow minded rhetoric you presume to accuse others of. My concern is that it seems there is an "industry" developing around "transitioning", in particular targeting socially vulnerable teen girls, and in particular, targeting autistic teen girls. Problem being that a self-interested capitalistic industry is more concerned with its own near-term prosperity than the long-term well-being of any particular human it purports to serve. This article is one discussion of the issue. ... sitioning/ and is written by the author of this book: ... B07YL6XK55

The TIM has already called me a TERF but that poster above is just a white guy and he hasn't said anything.

SMH but maybe the message is getting out. Or maybe it isn't. This person like most providing gc thoughts is a conservative.

[–]aldoushuxleyghost 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ya, saw this. I have voted in every election I have ever could and always voted Democrat. This ... A pox on both your houses best sums up my feelings for both parties.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don’t care tbh. You need to vote for him anyway. Trump is going to RUIN protections for so many and he’s pure fucking evil.

Biden knows he has to say that to get the vote.

[–]BEB 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But Biden doesn't. Most normal people in the US, especially non-college educated, don't buy the trans shit at all.

I just posted an article done by the very respectable STAT, which exposed Big Pharma lobbying even state politicians.

The Democrats are doing this gender shit because they're getting lobbying dollars to do it, and because the trans activists very deliberately Trojan Horsed the gay movement, which they've hidden behind to get Americans to support trans demands.

[–]tea4two 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I disagree. I think soundbites like that could lose him the election. On Twitter, sure, it would get him votes. In the real world, it will push centrists towards Trump. I still can't believe the Dems chose him. It's like they want the US to be stuck with 4 more years of Trump.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The GOP might want the Democrats to win in order for them to be blamed for the diastrous fallout of the Trump years.

[–]Chunkeeguy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

In other words Joe Biden doesn't understand the issues and needs to be educated on them. It's how we go about educating people on the real issues that will make all the difference on whether we win them or lose them.

[–]MarkTwainiac 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Joe Biden and the Biden Foundation have been proponents and funders of the new genderism since at least 2012. His adopted family member is Sarah McBride, the TIM author of the federal Equality Act. Biden wrote the intro to McBride's autobiography.

Biden was totally on board with Obama's executive orders that put an end to female-only federally-funded homeless shelters and other spaces/programs (such as domestic violence shelters and rape refuges), and which reversed Title IX and opened up female scholastic sports in the US to boys and men who identify as women.

[–]BEB 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I saw a video of Sarah McBride before he started appropriating womanhood. He was a very fem gay man - a stereotype. He struck me as being like the 2nd lead on Will & Grace.

It's so fucking sad that a gay man who can't accept himself is now on course to destroy the hard work and sacrifice of thousands of women who fought for our rights.

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't know any of that. Makes Biden even more dangerous. I had originally assumed he was just a clueless old man, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Biden is the one who coined the phrase "trans rights are the civil rights issue of our time." He said it in a debate against Hillary Clinton in 2015. But now he says he has been using it since 2012.

[–]Rationalmind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are terrifying facts and give me even more pause about Biden.

[–]SharpTomorrow 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Biden isn't going to listen to you

[–]Baileyscheesecakes 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Maybe I missed something, but I didn't hear Biden say he endorses transing children. I heard him start to talk about children "deciding" they are trans, then switch to saying there shouldn't be discrimination. It seemed to me as though he caught himself and then avoided commenting on the subject.

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Biden and the Biden Foundation have been major backers of groups that support transing of children, including Gender Spectrum, which is analogous to the UK's Mermaids and GIRES. Gender Spectrum claims 2% of children aged 0-17 in the US are transgender:

[–]Baileyscheesecakes 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for this. Distressing to say the least!

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're welcome. But sorry to be the deliverer of bad news.

[–]WrongToy[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any proTRA parent will seize on this as saying they need medical interventions for their kid to be trans or the kid will kill themselves.

[–]Rationalmind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, I watched Biden say this live at the town hall and thought, am I supposed to vote for Biden? He’s certainly not protecting women and girls.