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[–]grixit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are all pulling for you.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The bad news is that I can tell these people (older, blue state Democrats) have really bought into gender ideology more than I had expected.

Good for you, OP! But I have to ask what you mean by "older" here. Older than you?

Or older than the age range you think constitutes the majority of the USA population? Older than what you believe is the largest age group in the USA population at the present time? Older than the age groups you think are the most clued in, knowledgable and trustworthy?

The Kaiser Family Foundation says adults 35-54 constitute the largest group in the US population, followed by children aged 0-18.

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-age/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

More information that has a bearing on these discussions:

https://www.infoplease.com/us/census/demographic-statistics

https://www.prb.org/the-u-s-population-is-growing-older-and-the-gender-gap-in-life-expectancy-is-narrowing/

[–]WildApples[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Older than the usual demographics I see pushing gender ideology. They are seniors citizens, 60s-70s. That's why I thought they might be a little more removed from TRA ideas.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not trying to be argumentative just for the sake of it. I really want to know which groups you are speaking about and what you mean when you say

I can tell these people (older, blue state Democrats) have really bought into gender ideology more than I had expected.

Now you clarify that by the wording "these people" you mean people who are

seniors citizens, 60s-70

Which makes me wonder even more exactly how many people of this age group, and of which sex, you've spoken to.

[–]WildApples[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

By "these people" I only meant "these people whom I spoke to." I was not referring to a collective group.

At this point, it does not even matter. I am completely demoralized and depressed. I don't know any GC people IRL, and I opened up to the people I thought would be most supportive and I still got written off. If I keep going, I am just going to further isolate myself from everyone in my life and gain a reputation as a hateful, right-wing nutjob just because I don't agree with the Democratic party line. I am not sure I can bear being that isolated.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Talk to them about the money the financial backers of the gender lobby are making off of the bodies of kids. Since they are concerned about LGBT, show them that a huge % of kids being transitioned are LGB.

A good source for information is by LGB themselves. Here is the description, "A RESOURCE & COMMUNITY FOR LGBT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PROMOTE THE LONG-TERM PHYSICAL & MENTAL HEALTH OF GENDER DYSPHORIC YOUTH. "

https://www.genderhq.org/

Other good sources:

The11thHourBlog.com

The book IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE by Abigail Shrier

LGB Fight Back

LGB Alliance

Also, show them the detransitioners sub Reddit, r/detrans.

On r/detrans there are (or used to be) hundreds if not thousands of heart-rending personal stories of young detransitioners, who have irreversibly damaged their bodies, and are often now in a state of mental crisis.

I also think that many people slowly absorb it, so at first they have no idea where you're coming from because we have all been so brainwashed, but it you work on them without being pushy, they will get it.

Don't despair!

[–]WildApples[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. I did decide to share with them links to LGB and detrans criticism so they can see another perspective. Hopefully it helps.

[–]filbs111 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well done. I suspect that such conversations, though appearing to have no effect, may increase the possibility of that person later scratching their head when the media they consume says something particularly nonsensical.