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[–]lefterfield 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (40 children)

ROFL... I wish he'd tell us which cultures treat boys and girls the same. I don't think most girls are treated badly(by their families) in the US or other western countries, but I know me and my brother were treated differently. By our parents, by the health care system, by the school, by other kids... Such places of true equality do not exist.

[–]usehername 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (39 children)

I don't think most girls are treated badly(by their families) in the US or other western countries

I don't know where you got that impression...

[–]lefterfield 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (38 children)

On a comparison of how other children are treated within the same family? Or across cultures? I don't think it's that bad. No treatment is ever going to be identical.

[–]usehername 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

I never said that it was worse, but depending on the family, it can be horrible and sometimes just as bad as non-Western countries. What country are you from, if I may ask?

[–]lefterfield 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

Of course it can be horrible and worse than in any non-Western countries. I never said otherwise. I said most girls. And I'm from the US.

[–]usehername 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

Well, I disagree, but I'm from a very poor state in the U.S.

[–]lefterfield 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (34 children)

Income will have an impact. But what do you mean you disagree? You think most girls are treated worse in the west by their families?

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

I don't think most girls are treated badly(by their families) in the US or other western countries, but I know me and my brother were treated differently. By our parents, by the health care system, by the school, by other kids...

Of course it can be horrible and worse than in any non-Western countries. I never said otherwise. I said most girls. And I'm from the US.

Can you cite the research on which you are basing your claims that the different treatment you got in your family presumably due to your sex is not the case for "most girls" in the US and the rest of the West?

Families in the West as anywhere else can be a bulwark against sexism, misogyny, abuse (including CSA) and sex discrimination against girls & women - and families can also be principal sources of, conduits for, and the main enforcers of, sexism, misogyny, abuse (including CSA) and sex discrimination against girls and women.

Your unsubstantiated claims about "most girls" experience vs what you personally experienced comes off as naive and reflects an assumption that your situation is/was so unusual as to be nearly unique. On the one hand, you assert that most girls in the West are are not treated badly or unfairly by their families coz of their sex, but you were. Sounds like just another version "I'm not like other girls."

[–]WildApples 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

You are being awfully pedantic. First of all, it is clear she is expressing her personal observations; she does not need to cite to research just because you don't agree with her observation.

Secondly, you are mischaracterizing what she said. She did not say that most girls in the U.S. do not experience the differential treatment she experienced. She suggested that girls are treated differently from boys everywhere including the U.S., citing her own experience as an example, but she does not believe that, despite these differences, that girls in the west are badly off relative to other cultures.

I am inclined to agree. We definitely have our problems in the U.S., but I feel lucky that I did not have to worry about things like being married off before I finished puberty, avoiding honor killings for bringing shame to my family, having to miss school due to menstruation, getting raped because I need to use the bathroom during the night in a house that lacked plumbing, etc.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You are being awfully pedantic. First of all, it is clear she is expressing her personal observations; she does not need to cite to research just because you don't agree with her observation.

Yes, awfully pedantic is me. I have no problem with that label. I am this sub's pedant, nitpicker, fact-checker, scrupulous pain-in-the-ass who insists that posters from me to BEB to lefterfield be precise, back up our claims with evidence and not use nothing but our own personal experience and observations to justify our making sweeping generalizations about hundreds of millions or billions of people.

[–]usehername 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am inclined to agree. We definitely have our problems in the U.S., but I feel lucky that I did not have to worry about things like being married off before I finished puberty, avoiding honor killings for bringing shame to my family, having to miss school due to menstruation, getting raped because I need to use the bathroom during the night in a house that lacked plumbing, etc.

We're all in agreement on that front. The point was lefter's post:

I don't think most girls are treated badly [in the West]

Which is untrue. No one made the claim that conditions in the West aren't better than those in many countries, but to say that most girls are not treated badly in the U.S. is just false.

[–]lefterfield 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I did not have to worry about things like being married off before I finished puberty, avoiding honor killings for bringing shame to my family, having to miss school due to menstruation, getting raped because I need to use the bathroom during the night in a house that lacked plumbing, etc.

Seriously! I lived in west Africa for several months. It's not the normal experience for girls in the west to stop attending classes because their families need more workers, or for them to be forced to do hours of housework before they're allowed to do their homework. Meanwhile their brothers come straight home and start on it, and never miss days. When after-school programs were started for kids, it was ONLY, EVER the boys who were allowed to go.

[–]lefterfield 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Where did I say most girls are NOT treated differently? Yall are making a hell of a lot of unfounded assumptions about me. I was treated differently by my family, I SAID THAT. But do I think my experience was 'that bad' compared to what I know happens in other countries? Hell no.

And no, I'm not offering you "research" to defend the statement I THINK. THINK!! If I'm wrong, then offer your own fucking research and stop throwing around accusations.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Where did I say most girls are NOT treated differently?

I don't think most girls are treated badly

[–]usehername 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Again, I never said it's worse in the West. You said:

I don't think most girls are treated badly [in the West]

I disagree.

[–]lefterfield 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ok.

[–]absoluteblasphemy 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really tried to read all the posts but something very strange happens to me while I’m scrolling twochromosomes, it’s like I can feel my brain cells dying faster.

So sad to see female spaces decent into worshiping the transitions of these narcissistic men. And people wonder why whenever a trans comes into a female space the women start leaving.

[–]our_team_is_winning 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This guy, and I know it's a guy because his name is "fightingfrenchcat," just does NOT get it.

I agree. It’s all women or no women. I’d hoped feminists learned from the mistakes of earlier generations of feminists who excluded black women and gay women. All or none.

Yes. All women. All WOMEN. You are a dude. Dudes are not included in women's spaces. It's seriously an incel thing (or for once-married men, it's jealousy): women didn't want me around as a man, so I'll put on this costuem and you'll have to let me in. Still a dude, dude.

[–]fuckupaddams 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If I see one more post comparing black women or gay women to LITERAL FUCKING WALKING TALKING DICK IN THEIR PANTS MEN...

[–]purrvana 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's so ridiculous... since when have selfies been allowed on that sub? The fact that they're all only 75% upvoted gives me some hope.

I can't imagine ever posting my photo on reddit. Yech.

[–]censorshipment 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

I started posting videos/selfies on Reddit after constantly being falsely accused of being a (white) man in women-centric subs... even by sub moderators. It's sad that even women who claim to be gender critical or critical of gender believe a woman "sounds like man" via words. But having a video of myself, proving that I am in fact a black woman, not a white man, didn't save me from ridiculous bans. 😂 mods just accuse me of being "offputting" i.e. not expressing myself in an approved way as a woman. Smh this is why I love to read FDS posts/comments... they are sooo raw/unfiltered, not uppity/"tactful".

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But with photoshop, filters, voice modification and all the other ways to alter videos and still pics, how can anyone trust that the selfies or vids posted online are accurate?

That said, I am sorry for what you have gone through and are experiencing in this world of social media. It's wrong and cruel.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I can't imagine ever posting my photo - or photos of my kids and others - on any social media at all. The times other people have posted pics of me on their social media, I've asked for them to be taken down. My kids, who are adults, don't post pics on social media either. We use social media to talk about ideas and topics we're interested in, not to post pictures of ourselves. The whole selfie thing seems to be entirely about presenting a false image to the world.

[–]FineIWillDoItMyself 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]bluetinfoilhat 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I feel like they are doing it on purpose, I wonder if they planned to bait women into an argument so the sub is completely erased or taken over by a trans moderator.

[–]xxPhoenixRising 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they do the same thing on the Made me Smile sub. Nothing but posturing to harvest TRA upvotes supporting their false sense of reality.

[–]hfxB0oyA 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

A Y can look kinda like an X when you hang a little penis off the side of it. :D

[–]censorshipment 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Since I've been banned from a significant amount of women-centric subs in the past 2 years (typically for pissing off white and/or straight women lol the "majority rules"), I finally started posting on TwoX on a regular basis and didn't see much trans topics. Now that I was banned from the sub for a day (for laughing at a male virgin lol) and then suspended for 3 days for calling out white women (there were two whiny posts about people saying "Karen"), now the larping men are posting which I hadn't seen in January nor February. I was on Reddit for most of the day before my suspension... so this surge of larping men is likely related to International Women's Day.

[–]Doberlady 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I raised questions about trans women having an edge in sports, and they instantly banned me. No debate. No warning. Just instantly banned.

[–]GConly[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yep, that happened to me too.

[–]Doberlady 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Glad to know I'm not the only one. I thought it was odd that the comment that got me banned had a decent amount of upvotes so it wasn't like the community's users had a problem with it. Just some mod.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I finally left that sub after seeing a wall of their ugly mugs on the main page.

[–]grixit 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Sad. Last time i checked that sub was about 2 weeks ago and it was mostly period issues/ health advice, bad experiences with men, triumphant experiences with men, women supporting each other, and just a little trans. Albeit the trans posts always got a ton of supportive replies.

[–]Finaphoza 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't get it though? The forum is called TwoXChromosomes. That seems pretty specific. There are dozens of trans-specific subs for all aspects of trans life, including PLENTY for selfies and transition pics. Like this just doesn't belong, there's a better place for these posts.

[–]ShieldMaiden 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're men, if anything isn't all about them it must either change or be destroyed. What's not to get?

[–]ShieldMaiden 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TwoX is now OneXOneBustedUpY