Your Theories on the Neo-Nazi/MRA/Incel/Alt-Right/Fascist to Trans Pipeline?

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[–]Femaleisnthateful 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Can't read the graphic very well, but I've observed that trans identification has become an exit strategy for low-value males. R/lgbt is full of males talking about how they were losers/incels/ couldn't relate to other men/ masturbated compulsively to lesbian porn and then discovered that uWu! They're actually girls!

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because they hate themselves and their lives and are constantly looking for someone or something other than themselves to blame for their problems. They blame women or racial minorities or immigrants or even their own sex for all their problems in life. They are fundamentally unable to accept reality and are unable to hold themselves accountable for how their own actions put them in the situation they are in.

It's magical thinking at the core. If only society would make massive, sweeping changes for them then they'll never have to change themselves.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Easy. MRAs and incels believe women live in easy mode and have all the advantages while men are the real victims. Some decides to "become women" in order to get all what they feel they have been denied. They are also very sexist, which is needed to think wearing dresses make you a "woman". Moreove, they likely watch a lot of porn and develop several fetish because of it.

Transgenderism is only possible because of capitalism. I don't believe men pretending to be women when they claim to be "anti-capitalists". They are either lying or don't know what they are talking about.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

  1. Consider for one moment what your average trans-redditor means by the term "Nazi" - it's a pretty broad category.

  2. Someone doesn't stop being an incel just by growing their hair out and putting on a dress.

[–]WildApples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Someone doesn't stop being an incel just by growing their hair out and putting on a dress.

I imagine it is a lot easier to manipulate, guilt, and shame TRA women into sexual relationships as a TiM than as a "cis" man. All he would have to do is accuse these women of being transphobic for not wanting to have sex with him and claim that rejection will make him suicidal, and some handmaiden will see it as her moral duty to validate him sexually.

[–]CleverFoolOfEarth 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's because they're terminally-online fuckwits with few to no healthy, meaningful offline interpersonal relationships hopping around from ideology to ideology in search of a purpose in life.

[–]soundsituation 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I pretty much agree with the specifics of what you wrote, but I think "hopping around from ideology to ideology" implies a randomness to their ideological commitments, when in fact, as OP points out, there is a consistent feature: an attraction to extreme authoritarianism. And actually, I think your comment explains that attraction fairly well.

The trans movement is not a "be yourself" or "live your truth" movement, although that's what they depend on hoodwinking the masses into believing. It's an authoritarian/narcissistic/faux-religious inquisition that demands either faith or silence.

[–]bopomofodojo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's perfectly consistent, because TRA idpol is not "Leftist" in any way. It's a form of hyper-individualist liberalism, which American political discourse has distorted to be "left-wing", when it is nothing but shining glittery lipstick on the pig of neoliberal capitalism.

Thus, they were right-wingers/MRAs/Indels/etc. before, and importantly, they remain so in the vast majority of their beliefs. Except they now claim to be "left-wing" because "LGBTQWTF+ is left-wing". Most of them have not read any leftist theory and, at best, know leftistm from memes made by other such terminally-online liberals-claiming-to-be-leftists, and specifically they see this "post-revolution communism" as a "safe space" for them to do what they want without any realization that this is not what a post-capitalist/socialist society would be (hint: you don't get to be a lowlife "social media influencer" or sit in your parents basement playing fortnight after the revolution comrade, get ready to work).

[–]MaleFriedanFan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is a byproduct of gender mystiques. If we go back to when The Feminine Mystique was published, the Problem with No Name was that women felt as though they couldn't possibly be women because they were so unlike the depictions of women in magazines, who found deep contentment out of vacuum cleaners, always looked glamorous even when exhausted. Everything that brought them personal joy was deeply weird by magazine standards, and they had no outlet. There were even incels back then, as a common piece of advice was that all a woman's problems could be solved through the fulfillment of being a wife and mother.

Incels today are often men who are gender-nonconforming, even when they try to compensate. Reddit picked up on this by naming them neckbeards -- even when they try to conform to what they think are the gender norms, they fail somehow, like the beard on their face. Without the language to process these feelings, they are stuck in the same loop as the women before Betty Friedan published The Feminine Mystique.

The political activism is a way of trying to escape these feelings of frustration. This is actually something that is done by others as well -- a good book on the subject is The True Believer by Eric Hoffer, who noticed the same thing studying who became a Nazi and who became a Communist in the 1940s, and realizing it was the same type of person, someone struggling through personal failure who wanted a cause that would let them escape from themselves.