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[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

Privilege doesn't have to be male. There are pros and cons to each sex and to all the gender identities.

" In reality most opposition will just be name-calling "

Sound's like you're asking for it.

[–]HegeMoney 7 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

There are pros and cons to each sex and to all the gender identities.

What are the pros of being an inverted penis man?

Asking for a friend.

[–]MezozoicGay 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

People around will afraid to say a word to you, and you can call anyone "terf" or "transphobe", you can get your sentence for 14 molested kids to vanish away, you can demand new laws and they would be changed for you, and more.

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not many, which is why suicide rates actually go up after they get that surgery they are desperate for.

[–]MezozoicGay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is because dysphoria is not cured.

Making SRS for majority of transgender people is similar as not giving food for anorexic people. It will not fix the main reason of distress.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Got any sources to back that statement up?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

If it makes people who want it happy then they're one step closer to fulfillment.

However, there's a famous curse: May you get what you wish for.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

False equivalence. Our culture is systemically prejudiced against women. Rarely this backfires somehow & negatively effects some men.

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (11 children)

Nonsense.

Men are oppressed just as much as women are, in different ways. There is no shortage of men who have no access to their children, yet are forced to pay child support for life. Domestic violence is almost half done by women yet there are almost no safe places established for men. Most dangerous jobs are done by men and there still isn't universal health care.

The ruling class are the oppressors, not men or the stupid propaganda "patriarcy" nonsense.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Just as much? Do you think culture doesn't exist? Our culture is androcentric. There is the normative & the othered in every culture. In the West men are normative , women are othered, white people are normative, black people are othered, the middle & upper classes are normative, while the working-classes are othered.

86% of victims of violent acts by a significant other were female https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvs03.pdf

77% of people injured by an intimate partner were female https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf

72% of intimate partner victimizations resulting in serious physical injury were female, perpetrated by male: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ipvav9311.pdf

Research reviews have concluded that the majority of women's physical violence against (intimate partner/domestic violence) men is in response to being abused by those men: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2968709/

77% of all domestic homicide victims are female: According to the Supplementary Homicide Reports of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program in 2005, 1,181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/222320.pdf

In the cases of male homicide victims, usually the victim was an abuser: http://ncdsv.org/images/If%20I%20had%20one%20more%20day_Fatality%20Review_2006.pdf

Similarly, male victims of domestic violence homicides are much more likely than female victims to have been identified previously as abusers of their eventual killers: https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=130043

Women do the majority of unpaid labour, in the private-sphere. So when they get murdered in their own homes, that's a form of "death at the work place", which is never recorded as such. In addition to that sex work is the most dangerous job, even more so than being sent into a war zone.

Just because courts find that mothers are more suitable custodial parents than fathers isn't enough to prove that this is due to bias on the court's part. Is there any evidence that fathers on average are just as suitable? Women have to go out of their way to file for child support & all the guy has to do is say he hasn't got money, resolving himself of responsibility, whereas she has to find the money whether she can afford it or not.

Our culture is androcentric, which has lead to systemic sexism. This refers to the fact that along with explicit, there is also implicit sexism, which everyone suffers from, from birth to death, from a girl's parents, to employers, & everyone else. Parents literally underestimate the crawling abilities of their own daughters. Blind auditions & anonymous resumés result in a higher yield of female employees, revealing the bias that employers normally have. Parents pay their daughters less pocket money than their sons even. The list goes on & on. The fact that everyone has the same exact anti-woman bias, including women themselves is referred to as sexism/male privilege. Social privilege means spared injustice. Men can be discriminated against for being poor, or black etc. but face no gender-based discrimination. Even in jobs that are more commonly associated with women, men still generally encounter structural advantages. The phenomenon is called: the glass escalator.

Men hold the majority of the highest paid & most influential positions – that's patriarchy. Patriarchy is measurable. Look at the Matrix of Domination, under: Benefits among gender, Wage gap among gender, Representation among gender:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_of_domination

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 8 fun3 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 8 fun -  (7 children)

TL;DR.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Basically domestic violence is not a men's issue, at all. It's through & through a women's issue.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

L I A R !

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I literally posted sources

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Then they are lying sources and you're pushing misinfo.

Women can most DEFINITELY be violent in the home.

That's NOT just movie make believe.

Denial makes of something so obvious makes you obviously dogmatic and beyond reason with your head up your blind beliefs.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The sources (from the most well-recognised bodies on these matters) I furnished you with expose your massive false equivalence for what it is. You're governed by your feelings – misogynistic feelings. Here are the links again for your edification:

86% of victims of violent acts by a significant other were female

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvs03.pdf

77% of people injured by an intimate partner were female

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf

72% of intimate partner victimizations resulting in serious physical injury were female, perpetrated by male:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ipvav9311.pdf

Research reviews have concluded that the majority of women's physical violence against (intimate partner/domestic violence) men is in response to being abused by those men:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2968709/

77% of all domestic homicide victims are female: According to the Supplementary Homicide Reports of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program in 2005, 1,181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/222320.pdf

In the cases of male homicide victims, usually the victim was an abuser:

http://ncdsv.org/images/If%20I%20had%20one%20more%20day_Fatality%20Review_2006.pdf

Similarly, male victims of domestic violence homicides are much more likely than female victims to have been identified previously as abusers of their eventual killers:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=130043

[–]againstsinglemother2 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I think you're the one who misses a lot of dick here, for defending a XY who's the same shit like all the others, in a RADFEM sub. Are you even aware of how stupid you sound? Even women who aren't feminists know deep down, in their instincts, that men are all the same. And then you dumb down yourself to coddle and protect your almighty dad. He's just as gross as every other man, DEAL WITH IT. He has a penis, an Y chromosome and testosterone and was born in the same patriarchal shit all men are born. DEAL. WITH.IT.

I understand this is a high cope, but stop with the handmaiden dumbassery, you look like a fucking clown.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I can't make head nor tail of what you're trying to say.

[–]SeahorseLT 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Don't want to make you mad or anything, it's a legit question: Why don't men go and build shelters and stuff for other men? Where's the solidarity?

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that is tremendously insightful and an excellent point. IMO, it seems more that slightly suspect - almost as it something's rigged or oppressed, but that's speculation, so in short - I don't know. And, in fact it's such a good question, I'm going to ask it of some folks who might know.

I wasn't following any Men's Rights folks before I recently started finding "Men Are Good!" on YouTube. I've left the same comment on their most recent video but I don't do Twitter. Hopefully they'll notice and explain that shelter gap question.

[–]slushpilot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

People who challenge the second bullet point can't do so without arguing that trans-women (& everyone with a "gender identity") have an immunity against socialisation.

I'm not sure I understand this point: could you expand on your explanation?

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Trans-women were socialised according to their sex, not according to their preferred sex, the effects of which cannot be undone.

Basically, no one is immune to socialisation.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

And yet we can still think for ourselves.

We are taught all our lives to obey authority. Yet here I am saying authority is bullshit and corrupt as fuck and am perpetually truth-seeking and sharing that corruption shouting truth about power because I can still think for myself.

And because I can still think for myself I can say that I agree with your first point and partially the second point and not the third point and I completely agree with the premise of this post: "trans-women are [still] men & not women". And we must treat each on a case by case basis. Some of those trans-women will be creeps for whatever reasons and must be dealt as such. Some of them have serious mental health issues and should be dealt with compassion. And some of them should be afforded the freedom to quietly peacefully live their lives as they see fit. However this manufactured divisive trans-agenda must be called out and stopped (and from what I've heard most trans don't even like it).

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Male privilege is just to refer to the fact that the oppression trans-women experience is not misogyny. Misogyny is a universal experience for women. Social privilege refers to spared injustice. Male privilege is spared gender-based injustice. Exceptions < trends.

There are a lot of trans-women who accept that they are biologically & socialised male & just want to be women socially, without infringing on women's rights in any way. Like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQjn-f1Z52A

A lot of the activists are aggressive, but a lot of them aren't even trans. It's the ideology that's the problem, but the trans people themselves.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

" Misogyny is a universal experience for women. "

Bullshit.

Not all women buy into this political theater.

" A lot of the activists are aggressive, but a lot of them aren't even trans. It's the ideology that's the problem, [not] the trans people themselves. "

Agreed!

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You:

Men are oppressed just as much as women are in different ways

Also you:

considers the statement misogyny is a universal experience for women "bullshit"

How quickly misogynists radicalise these days.