Are there any other Men (preferably Gay) who do not buy into the Trans Ideology as a whole?

submitted by Kai_Decadence from self.GenderCriticalGuys

So I'm a Gender Critical gay man and I don't believe in Trans ideology as a whole. What I sometimes find with some people who claim to be Gender critical is that a lot of the time they are only really critical of Autogynephiles & TRAs but are never as critical towards HSTS ("Homosexual Transsexual"). There's this sentiment that HSTS are "true trans" and I just find this to be absolutely ridiculous. It is true that HSTS are usually not the ones who are harassing women as that's usually being done by AGPs but I'm sorry, just because HSTS aren't harassing women doesn't make them any more "true trans" than the AGPs.

Like to me, maybe it's because I'm a feminine man who actually looks it as well (I get called "Ma'am" and/or "Miss" quite a bit when I'm out in public, ( this is what I look like in my day to day life to give some context ) and to me, I've had to live my life experiencing all that society can express towards a guy like myself and how the bad can definitely tear you down. So when I look at HSTS, I just see effeminate Gay men who let society beat them down which in turn made them develop Gender dysphoria and coerced them to transition to be seen as "acceptable" and it truly breaks my heart but yet whenever I list off reasons on what makes an effeminate Gay man transition, I'm looked at like I'm crazy...

And I usually see this with men a lot. They refuse to be just as analytically critical on the HSTS like they are with AGPs and I'm just bewildered and I'm sorry but if you're claiming to be "gender critical", you can't pick and choose. You should be able to criticize all aspects of the ideology but I just don't see many doing that.

So I guess my question is, are there any other men (because honestly, it's usually just men) who actually don't believe in the ideology as a whole?

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[–]gencritLesbo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I feel you. I'm "gender non conforming" but I always just saw myself as a woman until I got into queer circles. Then everyone started using they/them pronouns for me. Giving you a follow

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sorry I'm a little confused, are you a gender nonconforming man or woman? Just trying to get the comment right lol But thank you nonetheless.

[–]gencritLesbo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A woman

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah okay, cool

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Same here on most points. Sadly GCGuys almost died after ban on reddit.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I noticed after taking a look. It doesn't seem as active here like it did on Reddit.

[–]3MistersAndAMissy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I disagree with the idea that you can change sex. I consider a transexual to be a person who is biologically one sex but lives as the other.

Is that what you are asking?

You look amazing btw. I mean this respectfully as a middle aged straight lady

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I consider a transexual to be a person who is biologically one sex but lives as the other. Is that what you are asking?

No not really. What I was getting at is that I honestly believe that "Transsexual" is not a real thing. It's a made up concept that became a thing because society (men) has a history of a problem with feminine nonconforming men and tried to find a way to imply that effeminate men are not "real" men and that there has to be something wrong with us for not conforming to masculinity because they couldn't fathom why a man could be comfortable not being masculine.

And thank you lol.

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I would not say it is always the case, however I know real example of such with my ex-boyfriend, when he went to Russia (much more homophobic country than our with homophobic laws), and seems that hate broke him, so he became transwoman, and most classic TiM you can see, with "I am better woman that woman, I do not have any minuses of woman but all pluses, all men should love me now". It is both sad and disgusting.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

YEP. This is especially true for homophobic countries like Russia, some places in South America, and the Middle East. Hate is what breaks and brainwashes feminine men or even gay men to think they need to be trans to be acceptable and I agree, it's both sad and disgusting.

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not gay, but I do not think "trans gender" is an actual thing in any real sense. If gender is a social construct then I need not ever think about it beyond that statement. "Identities" are BS I think also and "I identify as ..." is an empty phrase. As Popeye said, I ams what I ams. By making abstractions out of realities, by making identities out of traits or behaviors, we risk losing sight of reality. This leads to leagalism where the law as an abstract idea is enforced and not the specific wrong it was meant to address-- giving a ticket for jay walking when someone is avoiding a physical altercation, or charging someone with assault when it is self defense. The idea of not being a dick to guys in dresses an idea meant to address a wrong, but the legalism version of it lets Yaniv in canada harass women in court over ball waxing. We are listed as male or female on drivers licences and such documents not because we are expressing any sense of our own identity but because the document is meant to make it easy for authorities to physically identify specifically who they are dealing with. It is about identifying someone else, not about anyone' silly inner sense of identity.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed