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[–]Node 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (28 children)

Welcome back. The posts linked below will catch you up on what's been happening here, why Musky and bobby are gone too, and how the troll provoked 'saidit' into attacking itself.

Successful troll was successful. Whoever is running that op is clever.

Stop hitting yourself.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (26 children)

Thanks. Bob3 was 50% insightful and 50% asstroll whom I won't miss. Majorly bummed about Musky. Was he asking for it? Was he in a M7 meltdown death spiral who being childish won't ever step away? Seems I have some reading to do. Thanks for the links! I'll read them this eve.

Shame that Airbus troll, Chipit bot, and socks shill are still here.

[–]Am-5 7 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

American Muskrat

The muskrat is a medium-sized semiaquatic rodent native to North America and an introduced species in parts of Europe, Asia, and South America. The muskrat is found in wetlands over a wide range of climates and habitats. It has important effects on the ecology of wetlands, and is a resource of food and fur for humans.

Muskrats are non-aggressive and shy. They avoid humans and will generally flee from you if you encounter them. Like many wild animals, however, muskrats can be dangerous if you corner, startle, or antagonize them.

There are some funny results for American Muskrat.

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    [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    Maybe the goal is to put a chill on commenting, so everyone left ends up walking on eggshells.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Who threw those eggshells down? Tyranny. It doesn't have to be like this. It doesn't have to be one person going it alone. It doesn't have to be one person's choice. It doesn't have to be a singular judge, jury, and executioner. These should be community choices or at least choices from authentic community representation. Will there be challenges when the community grows? Fuck ya. Deal with those, together, as they develop.

    I don't know how Reddit was when they had these issues, but obviously something went wrong well before they sold out. Might have simply been the absence of decentralization, though I suspect it was a confluence of circumstances, intentional and/or not, that created the perfect storm that it's become.

    [–]Node 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

    It doesn't have to be one person going it alone. It doesn't have to be one person's choice. It doesn't have to be a singular judge, jury, and executioner.

    It doesn't have to be, but it's the way most things work. Problems arise when there's a mismatch between the one person and the community. Ideally, the system would result in a closer match in values between members and operators, but the choices are limited.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    but it's the way most things work

    Actually, most interactions are voluntary, not by orders from above by some great decider. And even hierarchies have branches (along with checks and balances) not a one dimensional ladder with only up and down.

    Yes, the choices currently are limited. This is changing. Evolving.

    [–]Zapped 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    You start another site and I'll help how I can, if only to see if it's viable in the long term. I'm sure M7 would give you pointers. Surely, there are others on here who can provide technical support. I recently met a guy who is part of a small, worldwide team that successfully put together and marketed a video game on multiple platforms. He lives a modest life and I would have no idea other than he mentioned something in conversation and I asked him for more details.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Actually, most interactions are voluntary, not by orders from above by some great decider.

    I mean more that most things like businesses, organizations, and enterprises you'd interface with are started and operated by one person, or a small group of people. They typically set standards for acceptable behavior, as one would do for people visiting their home.

    The voluntary part is when you consider whether or not their standards are a match with your standards, and decline to engage if they're not. However, limited other options complicates that when your goal is interacting, because then you have to just choose the closest fit, even if there are mismatches.

    One could use the freely available code to make a new reddit clone like saidit, but that's an extreme amount of work when the original goal was just to exchange comments with other people online.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I can agree with much of that, from the perspective we're all supposed to buy into: authority.

    Decentralization is the natural order of things. We're working on restoring it.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    If I thought it would help I'd start another protest. Perhaps a petition in /s/SaidItSurveys might be in order. Dare to do so at your own peril.

    After my post today I'm done with the problems to focus on solutions, with or without M7.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    Airbus is alright. He calls it like he sees it (from where I'm sitting anyway).

    I suspect he messes with you; for the same reason you were banned.

    I'm glad your back, but bored of the drama.

    Fucking bored of it, bro. Welcome back.

    Also, are you familiar with Chris Sky?

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    Airbus is certainly not the worst, nor dangerous like faux-progressive vaxx shill socks, nor stupid like tribal conservative dipshill Chipit. Like Bob he's been occasionally insightful - but also a stalking shit disturber, apparently immune from the wrath of M7.

    I've been bored of it for some time too. Boredom has it's utility too. That said, I'm very curious how my next post will be received by everyone.

    Actually, I had seriously considered for my return from banning utilizing the Chris Sky vs 30 Cops video as a comparison to myself v M7, but it was not only bad fit, a bad look, a bad comparison, too much room for confusion, too long a clip, etc etc etc. I didn't even look for better/shorter clips. I greatly appreciate his efforts and really really really hope he doesn't become a martyr. IF the powers that be are smart they can figure out a way to utilize the situation in their info-war somehow that may work for their sheeple (all they need is to maintain the majority), but with their monopoly on violence and stupidity of their muscle minions you just never know. If it does end for him (or anyone), better fast than drawn out.

    [–]Optimus85 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

    Musky got banned for a joke that didn't sit well with M7. I'm bummed as well. To the point where I won't be participating in this site anymore(not that anyone will notice). Anyway, welcome back and feel free to PM me about anything. I always appreciate your insight.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Must have been a very good joke. Or bad joke. Or very good bad joke. Or simply piercing to the ugly truth.

    I WILL NOTICE!!! And I'm quite sure others will too! Please don't give up just yet. There's MUCH more to SaidIt than just the owner. The content and community are superlative. I have one more post and then I'm done on this front and should be in the clear thereafter. I've never held back, so to say I'm going to start filtering or censoring myself would be inaccurate. I'm just changing course, and I firmly believe you will be a critical part of that. If I had a trusted-team you'd be on it. Further, for what it's worth I will un-censor and archive my last post on my blog, not that a week old interrupted/censored discussion is worth much now. If anyone (/u/Enza ?) has access or an archive of the Musky event I can post that too. If anyone cares, I can share what DioJr shared with me too, limited as it is.

    I won't say "trust the plan", but I will tell you my plans and together we can finesse them so that we can not just "build back better" but actually make a secure future for all of us. Assuming folks even want it. SaidIt has been a wonderful meeting ground and it can be a stepping stone or even a launch pad to our better future. In addition to being a forum, wiki, community, and website, SaidIt is also a utility worth utilizing until something else comes up.

    [–]Optimus85 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    I'll be here for the foreseeable future but if you dissect recent event, there is fuckery afoot and a lot of conflating regular users who aren't that controversial with smear campaigns from trolls who want to discredit the site and its userbase. I think M7 needs a better perspective on things and a more balanced approach to moderation(as in apply the rules evenly for every user and stop fabricating accusations when he has no concrete evidence of wrongdoing). If he was honest with himself and his users, he would address these issues and be receptive to his users' input instead of unilaterally dropping the banhammer on those few that have irked him.

    I'm grateful to him for providing this space but it's only as good as the regular contributors that post quality content. Without them, it's just pills and tech spam. That's why I'll stand idle in the meantime while this crap gets sorted out(if ever). Think of it as a silent, peaceful way of protesting.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)


    Except maybe the idle part. Help organize the solutions. After my post today I'm done with the problems to focus on solutions.

    [–]Optimus85 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    OK. Maybe not 100% idle. You might've just swayed me with your unflappable optimism. :)

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    If you didn’t see them already, here are the archives you’re asking for (they’re purely neutral though, it’s just an archiving of events, no negative or positive commentary associated, nor finger pointing):

    Sorry, just saw the ping now.

    [–]Jesus-Christ 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Seems like the roof is falling in.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Me too

    [–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Shame that Airbus troll, Chipit bot, and socks shill are still here.

    It's worse than that. Dipshit is gaining m7's trust through low effort comments, reflecting m7's thoughts back to him and flattering him. It appears m7's falling for it. Here's the thread in question. What's gonna happen now? Is Dipshit going to call who is and isn't a troll, and will m7 ban people based on that? This is disconcerting.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Thanks for the thread link.

    That is just so fucking sad.

    M7 feels like he's being ganged up on because he's being as dense as a brick wall - then he seeks solace in the only friendly words that come his way.

    Worse is his stupid fucking "logic" that I even felt compelled to chime in on. If I was still in protest mode I'd go off on that more.

    Chipit has lied repeatedly and is a stupid tribalist shill, paid or not. Not name-calling, fact-calling.

    [–]Zapped 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

    Welcome back, fucker.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (16 children)

    Thanks, Zapper. I used to fuck a lot, but haven't for almost a decade (long story). I suspect my fucking days are behind me.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

    Well, shrivel me timber.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

    Since it's not September 19, I doubt the Woody you're talking about is not in Toy Story.

    My timber is fine. My life was not. That's being worked on, slowly. But I'm 50 now, and by the time I'm a success object none of the sex objects I want will likely be interested. Of course, complicating things is how much I want more than just eye candy and my rocks off.

    Fuck Big Pharma.

    [–]LarrySwinger2 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

    I can't believe your wizard beard isn't getting you laid by itself.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

    To be honest I haven't tried.

    I'm too superficial to settle for a dumpling who would settle for my Santa looking self. It's not fair to them nor to myself to just settle. The belly is coming off though - slowly.

    [–]Node 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

    Ethan Ralph is a living, breathing example that anyone, without exception, can find themselves a sexual partner - multiple ones even. So, my lovely friends, there is no excuse. If he can do it, literally anyone else can. Except maybe Russell Greer. - source

    This gunt-wielder has a girlfriend...

    Not that you'd compare, but a mere 'belly' is not necessarily a deal breaker.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

    Ew. Morbid. Maybe I should take a few old photos and stitch them together and label them: "Before, During, and After Big Pharma Poisons". I was always moderately to very fit until this. I know it's a vanity thing. I don't rationally know how to get past it. It was very difficult for many years, but I've since accepted it. I'm grateful to have 97% of my mind back now, so I aim to at least put that to use.

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      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Thanks LOL. I started classical animation then computer animation at college near Toronto in 1989. I've worked in NY, Toronto, Vancouver, SF, Austin, etc. animating, live action art directing, animation directing, directing, etc. and of course countless other creative projects.

      I aim to delve back into the creative realm again, now armed with deep knowledge about the levers of power. Cartoons are one option.

      [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      You should string together some longer posts of your worldly adventures, especially Burning Man. I'd read them.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I've shared some of my thoughts on and experiences of Burning Man. Some prudes here don't even want to know that I hosted 8 orgies much less know any details about The Great Canadian Beaver Eating Contest, as titillating as it may be.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      You did that artwork? That was dope, a lot of it seemed ahead of its time! I saw a good amount of designs that would make cool embroideries for hoodies and clothing imho.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      That was dope, a lot of it seemed ahead of its time!

      Thanks. LOL, I won't argue with that. Some of it's dated now, mostly 90s. I was drawing Monsters High and Bratz-like grrls long before they were ever a thing. And before I knew what real spy craft is about I was developing a 6-girl team called Fashion Action, fashion models by day, secret agents by night. Ignorant propaganda glamorizing evil-doers, long before Kim Possible existed too.

      I saw a good amount of designs that would make cool embroideries for hoodies and clothing imho.

      I think my old Café Press stuff is still up. Some of it was for a toy store, and eco clothing line, this, that, whatever, etc etc etc.

      One of my projects I'll be outlining is a community store for us to sell our own stuff (homemade things, crafts, flee market, designs printed on things, and even 3D printed stuff) in our own sections, as well as sections for SaidIt, WikiSpooks, etc.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      A fellow kiwi on SaidIt?!


      [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Bobbobbybob was your fellow kiwi. Most of the people in those links are in VA or WV.

      Are you on the north or south island? I've recently spent a couple hours looking around the south island on google street view. Lots of amazing scenery.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      It grows on you.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Is this an Easter miracle? He has risen. He has risen indeed.

      [–]zyxzevn 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

      Did I miss the dinner again?

      [–]Node 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      Not much food is being thrown yet (just a couple peas), and the tableware is still intact. You're on time.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      With this motley crew be sure to count the silverware when we're done.

      Do you switch fork to the left to cut or just do American style? Etiquette matters.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)


      [–]zyxzevn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      LOL, at last.

      [–]HibikiBlack 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Nice to see you are back. It's bad hearing about fights among users in Saidit itself. I hope we can all discuss things properly.

      Good luck with your current projects dude.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I hope we can all discuss things properly.


      It also means without spin, manipulation, deception, and slander.

      I'm hoping you and everyone will help me bring them forth. I'm doing my best to come up with ways make them interactive to not only make my work a little lighter (maybe not actually), make the projects more interesting and engaging, and of course build community and spread ownership. You'll soon see what I mean. Obviously we all have diverse interests and skill-sets, but together I think we can move mountains even if we can't move M7 too much.

      [–]LarrySwinger2 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      It's very apt that you posted this in this sub, because the vote buttons are positioned vertically here, so an upvote symbolizes your rising. That's why you picked this sub, right?

      It's good to have you back.

      P.S. it's probably a good thing that you missed last week...

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I picked this sub initially meant for discussions about my open projects: /s/GlossedAndProfound, /s/BittersweetSeeds, /s/Trutherism101, and /s/LeverMind, 2 or more of which I'll be very soon focusing on and the other 2 maybe or at least continue developing. Since then I've used it for misc and occasional personal stuff that might otherwise be glossed over. Bonus, I still mod it in this age of STABs.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)


      Welcome back.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)


      Besides being fair and lovely, obviously open, generally accountable, rarely consistent, and painfully honest, I can also now say that I've been the unstoppable force that has budged the immovable object of M7. If I'm not mistaken he banned /u/useless_aether (like me with 40k+ karma, not that it's a contest but maybe that's why), then changed his mind, then banned him again. I don't know the actual details because of M7's secrecy. To my knowledge, either I'm the first to get an intentionally temporary ban (rather than a changed mind), or /u/useless_aether was. Maybe I'm deluded but I'd rather think this is progress, even if minor.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

      A Pyrrhic victory; but you're man enough to own it.

      Either way, let's put the site-destabilizing behind us, and continue to build from the scorched remains.

      [–]hennaojichan 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

      Useless Aether is still around with a different name.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

      Oh man, I hope so. But some of you guys still think /u/snow is around too.

      [–]hennaojichan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      I had one encounter with him one or two months ago.

      [–]hennaojichan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Good 80s song. I never knew exactly where he was from: maybe Taiwan. He was secretive about that.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      I still have that album on vinyl. Snow haunts us worse in Canada.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      But some of you guys still think /u/snow is around too.

      Chipit is snow. 100%.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

      Maybe but I don't think so. Snow could barely talk US politics, zhe was all caught up in incels. Meanwhile Chipit can and speaks proficient english.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Snow was pretending.

      Even basic English speakers know to use grammar checking software for English forums.

      Google Translate at a minimum.

      That's internet English 050 (no college credit). Grade school level. ;-)

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Snow loved zhe's mechanical keyboards. That's what I keep and eye out for.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Ya, I'm not convinced at all. Better to battle over the obvious words and actions - there's more than enough.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Chipit is /u/silly.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      Useless Aether is still around with a different name.

      You don't suppose UA could be Amy Chandler ?

      I don't either.

      Just saying.... ;-)

      [–]hennaojichan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I have to go back a month or two in my posting records to see what his username is but that might defeat his purpose.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Mind sharing that with me and/or Larry in a PM?

      [–]hennaojichan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Will do, when I find it. There is some inertia to overcome. Will send it back channel.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

      Almost a perfect term for this. I knew about it but had forgotten the term, I say almost because there's much more to it. Yes. The phoenix will also rise.

      One of my goals has been to get M7 to evolve, not destroy SaidIt nor the community. If this means a couple months of exposing his inadequacies then so be it. I certainly don't wish to drag anyone else into the drama I've chosen to create. I've left out MANY names and I have avoided exposing him much more deeply and I have no interest in utterly shredding him. I've only drawn on recent events. It would be easy to compile lists of examples just from my limited experience and recollections and/or to ask for more. That's unnecessary.

      I actually feel bad for M7 but he's been bringing this all on him self. He chooses this path and to be mostly solo - and to alienate people in general.

      The beaten dead horse is a skeleton and the emperor wears no clothes. We all see it. This has all been necessary to motivate the folks to the changes we NEED as times are strange, the global tyranny WILL get worse, and things will never get better unless we all collectively prepare our resistance properly. Cory Doctorow said years ago something to the effect that open freedom of communications must be our top priority as everything else is dependent on it. Call me a manipulative social engineering manufacturing consent bastard if you like. Ugly as it may be I've been doing it all in the open with authentic honest intentions being as clear as I can be, whether anyone agrees or not.

      Another purpose should be obvious. I've been preparing, inquiring, investigating, and pontificating on a new forum. I do not want to set up my own home servers or home gardens but I know we all need to. It needs to be done to prepare for the future before it's too late to organize properly to resist the technocracy. Not just a guy or two - but ALL of us co-hosting our own instances.

      None of this would be possible without propelling the NEED for change, not just a vague want. I'm certainly no mastermind nor some villain, but M7 took every single bait because he's been too busy with whack-a-troll, finding enemies everywhere, even when they are not. This needed to come forth for general justice and for motivation to evolve, with or without him. Sure I took some calculated risks. I knew I could be banned. Either way it would not look good for him. Pros and cons for either.

      Maybe all this is just a shitty excuse for my shitty post. But I still think it was as necessary as it was calculating while also being honest. I'm not David and he's not Goliath, but he certainly has several advantages yet stoops to lying, smearing, and nonsense instead of being better. That only makes it worse. More importantly, the censored post was the first time I'd actually asked the community for their valuable feedback and almost all of it was excellent even with diverse views until the interruption. Obviously none of it is a clear cut case.

      Today will be my last attempt to ask for a discussion, though obviously not M7's last chance for redemption, which may be a pipe dream. Then I'm done with all of this to wrap up my SaidIt-wide stuff and "quit SaidIt" to focus on my projects, with or without the participation of you, M7, and everyone else. Preferably with.

      SaidIt is about more than the owner. Now that it's open and honestly exposed, we can address it, fix it, build on it, and plan for the future. Drama has a purpose, in stories and in life. We wouldn't appreciate the highs without lows and vice versa. With this shitty shit behind us (at least for my part) we can accept it and move on, evolve, and do better. Critically we need as many people to collaborate in decentralizing too or else you just get 2 guys with 2 sites instead of 1 pretending they're resilient. Most of us recognize there are problems. We have solutions to some of them and a few are willing to take steps. There is no need to demonize if there's now a way forward. (By the way, I've never demonized M7. He's been the one to stalk, stoop, and slander. I've only pointed it out.)

      SaidIt is built on the shoulders of ye olde Reddit giants, and whatever comes next will be built on the shoulders of the M7 D3 SaidIt giants. Like it or not, all these trials and tribulations are the legacy and a credit to their critical blood sweat and tears along side the tenacity of the sharing community and their critical and critical (2 meanings) content.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      I actually feel bad for M7 but he's been bringing this all on him self. He chooses this path and to be mostly solo

      He only intervenes when issues are created.

      You're basically showing up to a party at his house, where you habitually carry on about how the party could be better if he did XYZ.

      100% a dick move.

      He graciously let you back in to the party, so you could dignify this gesture.

      Let him be. Or make your own party bungalow.

      Doing both would be ideal.

      Parties suck if nobody shows up, but they don't happen if there's no place to party.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      He only intervenes when issues are created.

      Usually. He intervenes with me when he wants to create issues.

      You're basically showing up to a party at his house, where you habitually carry on about how the party could be better if he did XYZ.

      Wrong. His private residence is VERY different. This is a public forum, like a public restaurant, store, theater, etc. If I act like an asstroll I should be ejected. If I'm bringing the goods and building the community then it's OUR shared space and earned my place. He's not the boss of me nor anyone else. Sure it's his site but it's OUR community and everyone should be free to voice their opinions, even if you are the guy bitching about the DJ. People are free to ignore that guy. People are free to tell him to shut up. I have support and criticism and everything between.

      100% a dick move.

      What is?

      He graciously let you back in to the party, so you could dignify this gesture.

      LOL. He should have never banned me, slandered me, stalked me, and targeted me with his several arbitrary bullshit rules made for me.

      Let him be. Or make your own party bungalow.

      The next forum will not be mine - it will be OURS. It's not "if" - it IS happening. People needed to see the problems and be motivated, unfortunately.

      Doing both would be ideal.

      After today the problems will be dropped to focus on solutions.

      Part of the branding/propaganda/whatever I plan to utilize over and over and over again will be something like this: "We obviously have problems, but we're working on solutions." We'll need to never forget that we currently have these problems but we're not gonna blame nor dwell on them any more with grander plans for a brighter future. Some people may get bored of this if it's not creatively and interactively done well (developing manifestos, policies, rules, name contests, logo contests, etc etc etc). Ideally it should build up anticipation and a desire to finally try it out and/or outright migrate. All the while we must repair the community with hope and restore good will within it while not abandoning our history, our purpose, and our more stable resilient future.

      Very soon I hope to have the others join me in these development discussions in the wide open.

      Parties suck if nobody shows up, but they don't happen if there's no place to party.

      Truth. I've had a handful of dismal misfires along with vast experience in the art of throwing epic parties. My nickname was "jSunshine", not earned from nothin.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Wrong. His private residence is VERY different. This is a public forum, like a public restaurant, store, theater, etc.

      These examples are all private.

      The analogy is legit.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Your analogy is flawed.

      This site and those businesses are OPEN to the public, regardless of who owns them.

      Sure it would be nice if there was no government nor regulations, but anarchy is a dream.

      So we have the laws of the land, good, bad, and ugly. That means free speech technically should exist and discrimination is technically forbidden. Racist store owners cannot ban people and unless you shout fire in a crowded theater you can share your ideas. OPEN to public, privately owned or not.

      I'm surprised you are taking this stance, the same but much bigger regarding the rights of government-funded Corporate Social Media to freely censor their monopoly platforms that are essentially the public square or commons.

      There is virtually no lock on the door here, by choice, for anon users without any verification. A questionable choice IMO. Much different than the Corbett Report limited access forum for example, open yet private, requiring donations (or a special invitation for me) and email registration. Even more limited, my old site was just my own content with zero social media.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

      Your analogy is flawed.

      This site and those businesses are OPEN to the public, regardless of who owns them.

      Saidit is open to the public.

      Those businesses will all kick out disruptive customers.

      Saidit doesn't even require you to wear a face diaper.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Yes, as I said above:

      " Wrong. His private residence is VERY different. This is a public forum, like a public restaurant, store, theater, etc. If I act like an asstroll I should be ejected. If I'm bringing the goods and building the community then it's OUR shared space and earned my place. He's not the boss of me nor anyone else. Sure it's his site but it's OUR community and everyone should be free to voice their opinions, even if you are the guy bitching about the DJ. People are free to ignore that guy. People are free to tell him to shut up. I have support and criticism and everything between. "

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      I’m sorry Jason SpaceMonkey, I’m gonna comment before reading your op! Welcome back!!

      We missed you dude, I’m glad you’re back from the desert!!

      Were the days brutally hot and the nights dry and cold?!

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      My days were fine, productive and/or casual. Didn't go to the desert as Burning Man was cancelled due to flu hysteria. Nothing was brutal but M7's targeting of me and his betrayal of our community by censoring insightful feedback to help guide me.

      I was responding to your comment when I discovered I was banned. I also discovered that unlike DioJr for some reason I couldn't PM anyone, as I tried to send it to you privately anyway. With my browser problems I think it's been lost to history, but I may have saved it in my misc text, among other random chaos, so it may turn up. I also discovered today that even when banned you can create subs (/u/magnora7 you might want to close that off too). 8 days ago I created /s/CultureWars (to analyze manufactured SJW chaos in our entertainment and chaos) because it was an option and because /s/CultureWar for some unexplained reason is private.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Check out WOSC for the last three posts on there, it’ll catch you up, ive been archiving it all too!

      Also, let me just say.. this thread I made for you, caused a lot of problems lol:

      Have fun reading it lol!!

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Good gosh, there's more /s/WhiteOwlSocialClub stuff to catch up on too. Thanks for pointing that out.

      I saw your post. LOVED IT ! Would have liked to have commented while hot. I would never have bothered to persist if I didn't have faith in my ideals and support from many well respected folks like you, and sadly a few too many casualties under mysterious circumstances.

      My next post will be the last on this "exposure" front. It's so obvious now that I don't even have to dredge up the history of the many examples in my limited recollection of my limited experience within the last 2.5 years, much less ask others for their archived evidence or M7 meltdown memories. It's so obvious now that I won't even need to expose anything. It will simply be a simple question - the same question I've been asking all along. Then I'll be dropping it all and moving on to solutions, under the feedback and advice of the community.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Hey hey welcome back. Sweet music. I never gave 2 shits about Prince until I saw this guitar solo on While My Guitar Gently Weeps.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Thanks. Soon, I'll be primarily posting only music with the occasional draft of something or other. My paradigm shift will swap out my addiction to inputting information with inputting music so I can better focus. I may even dare to have silence now and then.

      Me either. Prince's backwards fall was kinda neat but obviously staged and a corny gimmick - and I suspect that's why they didn't cover it well.

      [–]jykylsin2034 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Welcome back! Nice to see some "normalcy" returning to this site.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Now I wouldn't go so far as to call my self "normal", but I do appreciate the sentiment.

      [–]christnmusicreleases 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Welcome back, enjoyed the discourse and occasional arguments.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Thanks, I think. The goal was and is discourse. The arguments arise from deception.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (35 children)

      I suppose you want me to "fuck off", but welcome back - and as it's Easter Monday in some parts of the world - still good timing - for the 'he has risen' vibe.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (34 children)

      You know for a fact that you told me and Tom to fuck off first a few weeks ago. Had I responded I might have found them again but you seemed to have deleted them. As far as last time, you were a shit disturber, as is too often the case, and you know it. Even now you can't resist, trying to lure me into a permanent ban, hiding behind your fake good vibes, forever a shill, outright liar about James Corbett, and enemy of the people.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

      Oh stop whining, FFS. Welcome back.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (32 children)

      Oh stop shilling, WTF. Thanks, I guess.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (31 children)