Coming From Gender Critical

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Hi, I'm here to regroup with my fellow GC women adult female :)

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[–]EverythingIsHoney 58 insightful - 7 fun58 insightful - 6 fun59 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

Ugh even in the banned subs list beside the GC is a tiny f*uck terfs. I can't roll my eyes any further back into my skull without worrying they'll get stuck there.

[–]dworkinian 39 insightful - 4 fun39 insightful - 3 fun40 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I saw that too! GC was the only sub to have an extra tidbit by its name. Reddit truly hates women. Good riddance to those idiots.

[–]joe_rogan_is_a_chud 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They love women, they just don't love women who question things they're told or act in their self-interest.

[–]Aureus 56 insightful - 6 fun56 insightful - 5 fun57 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

It was inevitable the admins would ban any sub not fitting their SJW agenda. I think the backup is /s/GenderCritical

[–]peakitypeaked 70 insightful - 5 fun70 insightful - 4 fun71 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

The crazy thing is that I once considered myself a very progressive SJW a decade ago, and I was very proud of it. Now in the year 2020, having the exact same left-leaning and gender critical views as I had, means I'm equivalent to a Nazi who wants all trans people to die. No. This is madness. Thank you GenderCritical for existing and for the sensible, anti-misogyny discourse to happen here.

[–]Wahwah 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That's weaponising an ideology, the transgender issues in my eyes are pretty legitimate (it may not be in your eyes and that's fine) but then the issue is transformed into an ideology by the radical left and exploited to further their Marxist agendas, and if you disagree you are literally Nazi.

Same thing happened to feminism, the issues it classically addressed were pragmatic, but then it got weaponised and dissent was summarily ruled as misogyny. Other movements like LGBT, race relations, minority issues, veganism etc. are also exploited similarly I feel.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Just remember, when us National Socialists are driven out they are coming for you next. The marxists always project their sins on others. We are canaries in the coal mine. The slippy slope of censorship starts with us.

https://files.catbox.moe/gjjuvv.jpeg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbQrGaTm02Y

[–]planetpeculiar 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Also, here is a GC Discord if you're interested! https://discord.gg/MZHfA4w

[–]hylia 34 insightful - 3 fun34 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Me too! I’m sad to see such a strong subreddit go. I went there when I needed some good positive female strength but now I have nowhere to go but here.

[–]badMADam 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No worries, this will be our new home.

[–]DimDroog 31 insightful - 6 fun31 insightful - 5 fun32 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Lurker on GC. Refugee from Reddit.

[–]PostmodernJukebox 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

same!!

[–]quickbeam 30 insightful - 7 fun30 insightful - 6 fun31 insightful - 7 fun -  (7 children)

This may be a wild ride for a while, as the predominant people I'm seeing on here are Gender Critical folks and then some other folks who keep insisting that the power structure of the U.S. is full of communists and Jews. So like, the literal Nazis are here with what would have been called the "Feminazis" in the 90's. On the one hand, I'm happy to see free speech even if I vehemently disagree with some of it. On the other hand, this is so dystopian that we're stuck with the Nazis.

[–]kadika 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

For real though... I dont like censorship and I believe science (and sex) is real and I guess we get banned for that now.

The thing is though, I'm not a hateful liberal authoritarian either. I don't have an authoritarian "ban everyone that doesn't agree with me" mindset and I don't need hateful liberal fanaticism to fill space inside me that should have been filled with a mother's love. I don't send death threats and I try to treat folks with respect.

I don't hate on people, I believe everyone's life has value (yes including white people) and I march with BLM and gay rights movements because other people aren't treating their lives as valuable and that's bullshit. I def don't want to be grouped with Nazis and racists bc those are also hateful authoritarian ideologies. Racism and antisemitism and sexism are. also. real. 2020 is the year of false dichotomies, nuance and respect is dead.

[–]Girlwiththeraventat 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wish we could all just have open discussions so we can learn from other points of view. But I guess outrage sells the most, for print and the Internet.

[–]DimDroog 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm happy to see free speech even if I vehemently disagree with some of it.

Me too.

I remember when the ACLU defended the right of the KKK to have their infamous parade in Skokie, Ill.

I don't think people from outside the USA understand how important the 1st Amendment is to many Americans.

I was raised in a cult, (just now realizing it IS a cult, SGI) and our speech and thoughts were controlled.

Never again.

It's inhuman.

[–]Girlwiththeraventat 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Amen. Jesus Christ what a ride. Everyone on reddit should have seen the writing on the wall when they banned fatpeoplehate and when blackpeopletwitter became a literal black supremacy sub

[–]Nonime 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, apparently.

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    [–]FlippyKing 30 insightful - 4 fun30 insightful - 3 fun31 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    They knew they were losing, and even though they purged all the GC and ally subs they are still losing. I just hope everyone deactivates their reddit account.

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      [–]materialrealityplz 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Seeing reddit ban GC but keep up some awful porn stuff... really like being banged in the head with a gong. A wake up to how deep the misogyny goes.

      [–]Girlwiththeraventat 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Reddit has always hated women.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      This is the reality. It floors me that women are amongst the biggest supporters of trans ideology, even as they threaten women with assault, rape and murder.

      Reddit allows misogyny to continue, unchallenged and unabated.

      Reddit does hate women.

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        [–]Cass 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

        Hi, I went to GC to read about JKR blocking Stephen King from Twitter because he's a trans supporter and that is how I found out about the banpocalipse. I think it was a political move, they banned the wrongthink subs (the conservative ones) and explicitly said hate speech against whites is allowed. This is why GC was banned (going against the agreed liberal agenda) and porn subs are not.

        [–]KilgirlTrout 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        A lot of the misogynistic subs that are still on reddit go way beyond "porn" -- they specifically involve the dehumanization and/or brutalization of women. You can find lists on twitter if you look for #reddithateswomen.

        I guess that's why the mods decided to omit "sex" from the list of protected characteristics and explicitly allow hateful content towards "the majority" (women?)

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          [–]brightlightbellend 4 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

          I do enjoy the fact that so many refugees are complaining they banned the wrong subs.

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            [–]MadLass 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            Im here now too for GC. :) I really wanna delete my reddit altogether but I still enjoy my hobby subs. Hoping maybe this place will grow.

            [–]Poppysocks 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Checking in from reddit GC. Bummer, mods and everyone were so confident that GC wasn’t going to hit with the hammer, my jaw dropped when I logged on today. Probably shouldn’t have been surprised

            [–]Rationalmind 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            I’ve joined because of this reason too.

            [–]PurpleAmathea 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Hey! Really disgusted they banned us and not, oh, dozens of disgusting misogynistic violence-glorifying porn subs. I hope we're able to migrate most of our users, I was able to find this place via mumsnet.

            [–]No_ 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            I’m here as well!

            [–]Evola 8 insightful - 9 fun8 insightful - 8 fun9 insightful - 9 fun -  (15 children)

            Feminism was a mistake to begin with.

            [–]slushpilot 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

            Depends. Which feminism are we talking about? Liberal Feminism is a trash fire, I'll give you that.

            [–]Evola 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            All of it.

            [–]spezz 6 insightful - 10 fun6 insightful - 9 fun7 insightful - 10 fun -  (10 children)

            this is a reminder that feminism was found by jews and is an inherently jewish ideology

            [–]lemmiz 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

            If radical feminists are inherently jewish does that mean the trans activists who want to kill them are inherently nazis?

            [–]catharticoverdrive 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            This is big brain energy.

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              [–]JuliusCaesar225 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              No, it wasn't. Its roots are far more Anglo than they are Jewish.

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                [–]xigoi 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                The feminism that wanted to give women equal rights was good. Then it went to shit when the goal became more rights.

                [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                I’m a former GC member, too. Didn’t keep my Reddit user name. I still can’t believe that they banned it.

                [–]Itsmeagain 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                Longtime daily lurker on GC. I could never post because I could lose my job. Deleted my Reddit account after 8 years and a shit tonne of karma.

                [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I, too, deleted my account. I know it won't do anything, but that was the ending I needed to make a new beginning. 6 years for me.

                [–]materialrealityplz 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Hello fellow adult human female! It's a hard loss to lose GC, but we'll build again.

                [–]clever-science 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                Checking in from r/GCdebatesQT. We haven't been deleted yet but are expecting to be soon. The mods set the sub to privaye. This is so dumb.

                [–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Do you know if there's a debate sub here yet? Or are they waiting until they're officially banned?

                [–]Lizzythelezzo 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Yep I'm here from GC too!

                [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Happy to follow GC here.

                [–]72ndGender 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Be prepared for free speech, or almost free speech. It will be a shock to most people that are migrating, because you haven't been in places where people are allowed to say "offensive" things without getting banned. I hope you enjoy your time here. Welcome.

                [–]yoursutpid 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                lol fuck reddit

                [–]baron_iw 2 insightful - 12 fun2 insightful - 11 fun3 insightful - 12 fun -  (4 children)

                lol get dunked on TERF

                [–]Laila 35 insightful - 14 fun35 insightful - 13 fun36 insightful - 14 fun -  (0 children)

                Lmao okay hun. Keep being jealous that we're actual women x

                [–]nonpenishaver 17 insightful - 8 fun17 insightful - 7 fun18 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

                Says the person also on saidit. 🤔

                [–]lemmiz 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                kek chapo and all the men in dresses there also got dunked

                [–]DimDroog 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                You are so stunning and brave!

                [–]Sekina7 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                So happy to have found you guys here!!!

                [–]Frozen_Goat 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Good to see you all here. I’m here for that same reason.

                [–]Zednix 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Welcome to the site. You are still a feminist but at least you see the trans propaganda for what it is. Poison.

                [–]GrainneNiMhaille 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Mise fosta (me too). Irish GC woman here; was GC lurker on Reddit as profile was public, and the abuse when trying to have an adult conversation about GC issues is wild.

                [–]BassPlayer77 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                GC adult human female here. Hallelujah.

                As a lesbian, I'm following with interest what LGBAlliance are doing, and think it's fascinating how Stonewall tried to drop one of LGBA's founders into trouble with her employer, just for expressing concern for gay rights and women's rights. We live in strange times!

                [–]Lilith_Fair 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                I came from GC too. Only posted a few times. Usually just lurk. Think I'm going to make myself at home here. Nice to see you all again.

                [–]throwawayanylogic 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Waves hand! Hello!

                [–]TransFormer 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                I was simultaneously shocked numb and completely unsurprised by the ban of GC. Where does all this go? What happens next as the thought police reach further and further to silence us?

                [–]Chadler 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I did lurk there from time to time and it's a shame to see it go. While I did sometimes disagree with the general opinions, it was a place with lively discussion and honesty, not just a circlejerk like most pro-TRA subreddits.

                [–]RestingWitchface 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Here from GC too. I've joined Spinster as well!

                [–]Smurfette 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                I’m here! (Different name). I’m so glad that we can come together again. The community feels so splintered right now, but I know things will get better. I’m also on spinster but I need to get used to the format and discord is hard to follow because chat moves so fast and I much rather take my time to read posts. Twitter is a hell hole but I’m there as well just so I can follow the GC account. The GC subs that are left....I fear will get the ban hammer soon. 🙁

                [–]Aaaphasia 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                hi , also a GC refugee with a new name because trolling

                [–]mushroomwitchhat 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Here from GC as well! Happy to have an alternative to the dumpster fire of reddit. And so glad that the wonderful women from GC found here!

                [–]djhdlkguhaeil 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                Any feminist is garbage in my book but hey at least you're not a peak autism feminist. Welcome.

                [–]bigclitenergy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Me too. I am so fumed over it.

                [–]Ofthewoods 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                I was a newbie over there, like made a reddit account just to be part of GC and related subreddits. I’ve been a longtime lurker on the front page and I’ve seen what kind of place reddit can be, and in contrast GC was civil and respectful while I was there. I feel so down, having only just found that space and now it’s gone.

                I also worry about others being unable to find it here

                [–]Insomniac 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                Coming from GC. I’m shocked. Who the fuck runs reddit?

                [–]lemmiz 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                The same men who sent an award to violentacrez for promoting child erotica on their website. Reddit hating women isn't a shock to anyone who knows the site's history.

                [–]CaramelxMarshmallows 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                I'm here! Same Reddit username as well.

                Hi sis

                [–]femisrad 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Back here as well, same user too. I just hope everyone that was on CG is able to find a way here. Is there anything we can do to help with reaching out to them?

                [–]fromaway 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I never participated in GC on reddit, but frequently read and directed others to do the same.

                [–]letsstartover 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Heyyyyy

                [–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Welcome aboard!

                [–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                Favorite vegetable?

                [–]goodbyeplanet 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                Spinach, snap peas or carrots, depending on mood. You?

                [–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Carrot, lentils, spinach, broccoli and cauliflower :)

                [–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                FORE!!! 🏌️

                [–]kissfan7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (52 children)

                Possibly dumb question, since I don’t fully understand gender critical feminism:

                How do you all go about defining “woman”?

                [–]Sun_bear 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (51 children)

                Woman = adult human female

                [–]kissfan7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (50 children)

                But how are you defining female?

                [–]Sun_bear 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

                Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.

                [–]kissfan7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

                But I mean not all women or girls can or want to bear offspring.

                [–]Sun_bear 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

                So?

                Women: the humans who have ovum

                Men: the humans who have sperm

                There's nothing about being able to have children or wanting to have children in that definition.

                [–]kissfan7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

                But not all women produce eggs, right?

                [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

                99.9999% do

                [–]kissfan7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

                At least 1.6% of the population is intersex, according to Google at least. So I'd guess that about 1%-2% of non-transgendered people who identify as women have some condition where they can't produce eggs.

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                  [–]FurfyFurtyFur 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

                  Please keep in mind also that Sun_bear's definition of female is consistent across the animal and plant kingdoms. We don't know what gender Mendel's pea plants identified as, but we do know what sex they were.

                  [–]kissfan7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

                  I'm not sure about plants, but aren't there animals that are hermaphrodites and other animals that can switch sex?

                  [–]FurfyFurtyFur 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

                  Hermaphrodites/intersex are usually sterile, having disorders of sexual development. (The birth of one-legged humans ought not change humans being defined as bipedal.) Yes, there are some plants and lower-order animals that can change sex. (Ask a cannabis grower about male plants and hermaphrodites.) Again, it doesn't mean that a state of fixed-sex doesn't exist in higher plants & animals or that changing one's appearance can actually change one's sex.

                  Hormones of all kinds are 'interpreted' differently by the body depending upon gene encoding, which is different in men vs women. Testosterone is changed in female bodies to estradiol, a form of estrogen. Only excess amounts masculinize a female, and in fact, DHEA is the more masculinizing hormone. Excess amounts of masculinizing hormones have negative metabolic and reproductive side effects - high incidences of type 2 diabetes and PCOS. Meanwhile, hormones do not change a woman's sex, only her appearance.

                  [–]kissfan7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

                  I remember hearing about a guy who had, like, six kids who turned out to have a uterus.

                  Also, aren't there some frogs that can change sex? I'm not sure what makes a species higher or lower, but if by higher you mean more complex, a frog is pretty complex compared to hermaphrodite/intersex worms.

                  The birth of one-legged humans ought not change humans being defined as bipedal.

                  But nobody is saying you have to have two legs to be human. OP, though, is saying that you have to produce eggs to be a woman.

                  [–]goodbyeplanet 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                  Outliers are omitted from statistical analysis, as without a trend present it is erraneous to attempt to use them to define the majority population.

                  A frog is not a mammal. Mammals are a category defined by the relative complexity of their reproductive systems.

                  [–]FurfyFurtyFur 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                  of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs

                  OP didn't say women have to, they said CAN

                  Perhaps OP should have been more precise, and said that female humans are identified by a cluster of some vague number of a certain set of endogenously-produced primary sex characteristics — including vagina, ovaries, womb, fallopian tubes, and XX chromosomes — all of this is sufficient for femaleness, though no particular characteristic is necessary or essential.

                  I remember hearing about a guy who had, like, six kids who turned out to have a uterus.

                  Again, usually sterile.

                  Your 'gotcha' questions are tedious.

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