EDIT: with Omicron it is likely that just as 2-dosed and 3-dosed folks are getting infected, we will see prior infected and then vaccinated also get Omicron. And prior infected and then not-vaccinated may also get Omicron (will be interesting to know if these will be any less likely). Out of 60+ covid19 cases, I have seen 6 cases of reinfection - but they were all covid19-vaccination-covid19. So I cannot answer the question of how covid19-covid19 (ie no intervening vaccination) will fare.

 

Summary:

Natural immunity (after recovery from covid19)

Never has the lack of info on a basic question been so diligently ensured.

This question is relevant because it could for example, free up 50pct of the US population from vaccination mandates. A positive PCR test or antibody test could qualify for an exemption.

Natural immunity is recognized in some countries. But not in the US.

Since the US messaging is so influential, nonsensical policy from the US winds up confusing or derailing logical justification elsewhere in the world.

&nsbp;

 

Repurposed drugs - same story

NIH/CDC also negligent - for nearly a year they failed to fund any repurposed drug.

This despite there being a division for repurposed drugs.

Dr Rajter author of the first US study in the US on Ivermectin failed to hear back about funding from the NIH.

 

Some excerpts:

• The NIH spent twice as much money on aging research last year, the year of covid19, more than it did on covid19 research.

• But we have the head guy Dr Fauci saying "I represent science" - but he is afraid to actually do the science and do the study that needs to be done to answer this question.

• We can spend money - some of that $58B, and some of the resources at NIH and CDC can be used to fund "gain of function" research and give a grant to EcoHealth. And send some of that money to a lab in Wuhan, China.

• They acknowledge in private conversations, that if they acknowledge natural immunity, some people might avoid vaccination and think I'll just get the natural infection.

• The Israel study is the largest study done worldwide, and it found that natural immunity, adjusted for age and comorbidity is 27x more effective than vaccinated immunity.

• They are undermining natural immunity through 2 studies that the CDC did, that are so flawed, that are so poorly put together. Honestly they would not qualify for a 7th grade science fair.

• Ok, so there's no grant money coming from CDC, NIH, nothing like that?

 

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Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJE7Tc8YGsc

Jim Jordan Urges CDC To Do A Natural Immunity Study And Compare It To The Vaccine

Dec 20, 2021

Tuesday, a Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis held a remote hearing examining the urgent need to accelerate global coronavirus vaccination efforts and the critical role that these efforts play in the nation’s public health and economic recovery. Congressman Jim Jordan expressed his desire for CDC to use some of its funding to figure out how effective natural immunity is as an alternative to a vaccine.

 

Rough transcript:

Discussion on budgets:

• CDC - $9B per year

• NIAID - $6B per year

• NIH - $42-43B per year

So annual $52-53B per year

(NIH includes NIAID)

 

CDC + NIH - 30,000 employees

 

at the 1:00 minute mark:

Congressman Jim Jordan:

Why hasn't our govt done a study on natural immunity?

 

Prof Marty Markary:

If I can be honest, Rep Jordan, I don't think they want to know the answer.

It would undermine the indiscriminate vaccine policy for every single human being, including extremely low risk people.

 

Congressman Jim Jordan:

How many Americans have got covid19 since we've had this virus, do you know?

 

Prof Marty Markary:

North of half of Americans, based on a Columbia University study that showed that 1 in 3 had covid19 at the end of last year, a year ago.

 

Congressman Jim Jordan:

So there is certainly a sufficient sample size to do a study.

And there is $57-58B - you could use some of that money to do a study.

And you have got 30-some thousand people who could conceivably do a study on a pretty fundamental question.

I saw in your opening statement that you're actually doing a study on natural immunity, is that right?

 

Prof Marty Markary:

That's right. With private funding Johns Hopkins, my research team is doing a study.

 

Congressman Jim Jordan:

Ok, so there's no grant money coming from CDC, NIH, nothing like that?

 

Prof Marty Markary:

No sir.

 

Congressman Jim Jordan:

And are any of these 30-some thousand employees helping you with your study?

 

Prof Marty Markary:

No sir.

 

at the 2:25 minute mark:

Congressman Jim Jordan:

Now other countries - and this is in your opening statement as well - other countries have done this study - is that correct?

 

at the 2:30 minute mark:

Prof Marty Markary:

Most of our learnings come from Israel and other countries. Yes sir.

 

at the 2:35 minute mark:

Congressman Jim Jordan:

And what have they found. Let's start with Israel study, if you could refresh my memory. What did Israel find?

 

at the 2:40 minute mark:

Prof Marty Markary:

The Israel study is the largest study done worldwide, and it found that natural immunity, adjusted for age and comorbidity is 27x more effective than vaccinated immunity.

And they just put out Dec 5, 2021 another followup study again affirming similar results - that in fact natural immunity is stronger than vaccinated immunity.

 

at the 3:04 minute mark:

Congressman Jim Jordan:

But are the scientists in our govt - the CDC and NIH - they don't account for that, they don't talk about that - what do they say about that study?

 

at the 3:15 minute mark:

Prof Marty Markary:

They never talk about it, unless asked.

But I would say they are doing worse than being absent on the topic.

They are undermining natural immunity through 2 studies that the CDC did, that are so flawed, that are so poorly put together.

Honestly they would not qualify for a 7th grade science fair.

The results cannot be derived from the data, and it is a disgrace that those 2 studies were put out because it undermines the larger body of science.

 

at the 3:45 minute mark:

Congressman Jim Jordan:

So they won't talk about international studies that conclude that natural immunity is 27 times better than vaccine, but they will do some bogus - in your words - 7th grade science experiment studies, using some of those 33 thousand employees, and using some of that $58B of American taxpayer money - they will do that?

 

at the 4:05 minute mark:

Prof Marty Markary:

That's fair. I will say their intention is noble, but just very paternalistic.

They acknowledge in private conversations, that if they acknowledge natural immunity, some people might avoid vaccination and think I'll just get the natural infection.

We don't want people to do that. But we can be honest with the data, and encourage vaccination at the same time.

I think the American people - the ones paying their money - they expect honesty and transparency from our govt.

 

at the 4:25 minute mark:

Congressman Jim Jordan:

They don't expect to be deceived.

I mean this is what gets me.

We can spend money - some of that $58B, and some of the resources at NIH and CDC can be used to fund "gain of function" research and give a grant to EcoHealth. And send some of that money to a lab in Wuhan, China.

That's fine, but we can't find any resources to deal with a fundamental question on natural immunity.

So much so that you have to go out and get private funding to do it yourself

 

at the 4:57 minute mark:

Prof Marty Markary:

The NIH spent twice as much money on aging research last year, the year of covid19, more than it did on covid19 research.

 

at the 5:00 minute mark:

Congressman Jim Jordan:

This would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

And the implication when you think about these mandates and everything that's happening - what it's doing to our economy - not to mention just being honest with the American people who after all it's their money.

But we have the head guy Dr Fauci saying "I represent science" - but he is afraid to actually do the science and do the study that needs to be done to answer this question.

And we have to rely on international studies and your private study to get the truth to the American people.

 

at the 5:35 minute mark:

Prof Marty Markary:

We have subjected 72M children to intense restrictions for 2 years.

Yet we don't have the most basic research.

We have never had an NIH funded study on masks and kids.

And we have never had information revealed by the CDC on whether or not any child has died of covid19.

 

at the 5:55 minute mark:

Congressman Jim Jordan:

Either they know the answer, and don't want the American people to know.

Or they do know the answer and are trying to hide it.

They know the answer or are not sure, I should say, or they know the answer and are trying to hide it from the American people.

It is one of those two.