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[–]Tiwaking 17 insightful - 11 fun17 insightful - 10 fun18 insightful - 11 fun -  (1 child)

Reddit and its oppressive censorship will kill itself one day

Unlike Jeffery Epstein

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 10 insightful - 10 fun10 insightful - 9 fun11 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

Will the last person to leave Reddit please remember to turn off both cameras?

[–]LaptopWillEatThisAcc 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

This site has a dark mode by default with no stupid new-Reddit mobile design crap, and is therefore superior. Here's hoping for a great future here.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

It also has a mobile app and an IRC chat for each sub!

At least, it had one.

[–]LaptopWillEatThisAcc 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Meh, apps (and reactive/mobile designs) are for normies anyway. Real Redditors Saidittors use websites in Desktop Mode only.

I'm very curious what's up with the lack of IRC. It seemed like an interesting feature when I read about it in the welcome post, but it doesn't seem to be active on any sub right now.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It seems to be down. Genuinely, you might be able to contact the admins and ask about it, or post on the main page.

If we really want, I (or even you) could make an IRC chat, they're not super difficult.

[–]LaptopWillEatThisAcc 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I did ask on the Welcome to Saidit post, and was told that IRC would be back "eventually". I was more interested in the integration between Saidit and IRC than the actual presence of IRC, but maybe it would be fun to have our own channel. I'll leave the decision to you and Antonio and the others, though.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, I wouldn't stop you if you made your own, and I'd be fine letting you advertise it.

[–]LaptopWillEatThisAcc 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for the permission, but I'm entirely too lazy and irresponsible to be the host of a chatroom. I'll just wait for the built-in functionality to return.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay.

[–]Jesus-Christ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Meh, I use the app when I'm on the toilet.

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

pcmasterrace

[–]asg101 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

Reddit is still good for porn and pot growing info.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They're banning porn subs without warning or explanation. Subs with over 75k subscribers. They're trying to become Hail Corporate: the website.

[–]Elvis_Presley 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Sad!

Saidit circumvents this nasty dilemma by apparently banning all porn altogether.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Correct.

[–]RalphOfPittsburgh 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

I like the convention of "NameOfPlace" Kia2 started with usernames, so I'll try this one on for size.

Recommend making the sub private for a time to encourage people to join here. IIRC your original idea was "we all jump ship at once", and that would encourage such action.

[–]CarmenOfSandiegoDom's Self-Declared Nemesis 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

I too shall join in the convention, while also declaring myself as Dom's Nemesis [for he will never find me!] what with all the past jokes there were about the character I've gone with.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

YOU SON OF A BITCH

[–]RalphOfPittsburgh 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The other mods and I have been discussing it for quite some time, how to best approach it all.

One suggestion I came up with was to turn Reddit into a "best of" sub. Locked from public submissions, but I just upload the top 5 daily posts over here, over there.

[–]DanielKO 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

I think you forgot one:

5) Domitius Of Massilia has no intention of committing game over.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

In life, you go iron man mode, or you die.

[–]Devidose 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

6) There are four lights!

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

4) There are four lights!

In a dishonest world, telling the truth is a radical act.

[–]ClockworkFoolKiA Old Guard 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

So, no up and down voting, just fun and/or insightful?

Ugh, change.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They don't believe in downvoting I guess. Meh. I'm actually okay with the idea because I think all concepts have some value for someone. Downvoting does technically hide that.

[–]evilmathmagician 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Curious how this will pan out once we get one or two of our trolls here. Ideally, we'd all just ignore the trolls, right? I'm not sure it will go so smoothly.

Outside of that, I kinda like it.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Give it a feel, go and explore!

[–]ClockworkFoolKiA Old Guard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If this place is fluffy enough to think downvoting is too mean, it does make me wonder if this place is genuinely likely to be a more legitimate bastion of Free Speech, or whether they'd be ideologically robust enough to even attempt to withstand outside voices calling for censorship.

But eh, there's only one way to really find out. Wait and see.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is another: https://poal.co/s/KotakuInAction/hot

But it is significantly more spicy at first.

[–]LithargoelKiA Old Guard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Depends on how rigorously one enforces their "Pyramid of Debate. That has its own set of mountain-like ranges to overcome vs. "reddit hordes' mentality" for 15 years of upvoting/downvoting being 1:1 agree/disagree, despite what the Official Rules over there say. Seriously, as noble a pursuit is as guiding and shaping the thought process behind communicating on an internet forum with an abstraction divided into "insightful:fun" (wtf even, "fun"... if that's the best you can come up with, it should point to the problem of your system already) to REPLACE an abstraction divided into up:down -votes with supposed meaningful thought put behind the decision to click one or the other... it's most probably going to be a failure.

[–]MonsterHunter_GsMain 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Here we fuckin' go again. Changed my handle during the switch, but my dumb ass is here all the same. Figured I'd pay tribute to the old handle and stick with a Monster Hunter themed one, fuck it.

Let's hope we don't lose too many when Reddit fucks us. There's some good people in KIA2.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think we could still get 25% - 50%. We'd basically have a run of the site if we had all 10,000 people open accounts.

[–]resniperowl 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

5) We all just wanted to play our video games, but they just couldn't leave us alone.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]TunderbrewedKiA2 Old Guard lurker 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Reddit hiding the Caramel man, new investigation into Epstein, witnesses and Schiffty giving false testimony...

What a fun start to this week.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

WEEEEEEEE

[–]Guyven 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm here for these reasons and others ;)

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are all good reasons.

[–]Far_Side_of_ForeverOption 4 alum 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

K, now that I'm here, two requests:

  1. What is the breadth allowed speech on this platform? Roughly the same as reddit, wider?

  2. I thought I had a handle on this whistleblower thing. Clearly I do not. Why is everyone losing their lunch over Ciaramella? This clamping down may not be as immediate as the Zoe post was, but once the engine started, it's been just as sudden. I was under the impression that people generally like whistleblowers, with the exception of those who suggest that Snowden is a traitor

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

1) Wider by a lot. I don't have official rules set up here, but suffice it to say, don't be surprised if you get shocked by something offensive over the coming week or so. The biggest restriction is that the site does not allow porn, nor copyright violating material. My advice would be to, for the moment, think of it as Reddit, but with less stupid harassment rules.

2) Ciaramella is a problem generally because many people believed that he was a lynch-pin in fostering collusion between the FBI, the CIA, the DNC, Obama's National Security Council, and a Ukrainian "Anti-Corruption" organization that was directly tasked with fabricating the Steele Dossier, and trying to destroy Paul Manafort in order to collapse the Trump campaign in 2016. He was previously released from the CIA for leaking information to the press, was later re-hired along with policy changes that suggest to some people he was hired explicitly for the purposes of leaking information. He was in contact with Adam Schiff before he filed his complaint.

Basically, the dude is absolutely dirty, and could implicate a huge number of people.

The problem that most people are having with the coverage of the whistleblower is that he is a public figure who has been identified by Politico, The New York Times, and RealClear Investigations and a whole host of other journalists and media organizations. The largest left-wing media organizations (MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, WaPo, Salon, Slate, etc) have all worked together to entirely remove any mention of his name in public to "protect his identity" although his name has already been publicly released. The mainstream media is intentionally suppressing news stories. That's what people are upset about.

[–]Far_Side_of_ForeverOption 4 alum 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

  1. Sounds fine. I miss the untamed wild west of the internet

  2. Very detailed, thank you. I already figured out what the little people down on the ground are upset about; this blatant suppression has been both sloppy and insulting. I worded the question poorly; I was more wondering why the powers-that-be were going apeshit over this, especially with the outlets you listed on KiA2 who have released the name

From my perspective, it'd be like, foe example, if our overlords decided that Charlie Sheen is a problem and began suppressing all information and mention of him. We already know who is he, what he's done and what he's said; why bother at this point?

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I was more wondering why the powers-that-be were going apeshit over this, especially with the outlets you listed on KiA2 who have released the name

My hypothesis is that Mark Zaid, the whistleblower's attorney, is probably sending out threatening letters to corporations that publish Eric's information. Add that Schiff and others are (falsely) claiming that reproducing the whistleblower's name opens corporations up to legal liability, and may violate the law.

Being that this confirms their biases, they will fold quickly under pressure.

[–]Far_Side_of_ForeverOption 4 alum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And I imagine that, if Zaid's tactic here does not work within the legal framework, reddit will neither rescind the new rule, nor reinstate communities that go under due to this

All part of the plan

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Correct.

[–]Guyven 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

To your second point:

First, whistleblower identity protections are entirely for protecting that person's employment. The identity itself is not protected, just the assurance of job security. This fucker was fired long ago (for leaking), so he gets none of that. However (and critically) his identity being a secret is important to the intended narrative (who is he, someone close to things, his life is being threatened, he was a casual bystander, he's definitely not a biased witness by any means, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain).

Second, this is a flex. The established powers of media, bureaucracy, and politics are utilizing their ability to make something so merely by claiming it to be. This is why Trump is guilty of something Biden did. This is why Obama was a scandal free president. This is why Epstein definitely committed suicide and had a closer relationship with Trump than with Bill Clinton.

Frankly it is all a gambit. They've had great, to middling, to mild success over many years of crafting a narrative and having it parroted endlessly. I can't predict where the public's stomach for obvious lies ends, but we're reaching it. Pepe and OK signs don't stir the entire nation like a political coup being televised uncritically.

[–]Far_Side_of_ForeverOption 4 alum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly what I was looking for. Fanks, guv

[–]Seve82 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Oh man do I smell the freedom in here?

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

KIA, here?

I once subbed to kia, but due to reddit's echo chamber nature (and other) it was turning in to a shit hole.

Although we already have a s/censorship sun here.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, KiA here. I'm hoping to help breakdown a bit of the echo-chambery nature at least a little bit.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No downvote button here, no hiding inconvenient facts. It has it's downside as spam and overly conspiratorial non-sense, but it's easy to ignore and the good out weighs the bad.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True, stuff has to rise to the top instead of being pushed down.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

based and massilia pilled

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

massilia pilled

The best pill!

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad this is a sub.

[–]nobunny 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thankies

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No problem.

[–]Poonough 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have quit logging in to reddit cause of the bullshit on that website, would still browse though at work. How long before this site goes the way of all the others and folds to pressure form our "benevolent" overlords?

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This site? It's probably going to be okay.

[–]exilde 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

How do I turn on redesign?

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

There is no re-design.

[–]Soup_Navy_Admiral 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There is only Zuul.

[–]DomitiusOfMassilia[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Correct.