Why do people on askgaybros think we were a hatesub?

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[–]JulienMayfair 44 insightful - 2 fun44 insightful - 1 fun45 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Why do they say we are a "hate sub"?

Because someone else told them we are.

It's also because these days, "hate" has been defined as simply disagreeing with someone about a topic they have deemed sacrosanct.

It's pretty clear that AGB is deeply divided on the topic of trans.

[–]szalinskikidproblematic androphile 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Because they don't think for themselves, and I know how arrogant that sounds. But most people just repeat what the woke overlords tell them. Also, it's more like "askqueerbros" now. Basically an LGBT extension. So nothing particular homosexual about it.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said.

[–]PainfulTruthsMatter 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because the very, very loud vocal minority of the trans community is very well organized in stamping out what it sees as "wrongthink" by using negative labelling. And the LGB people who believe that they're not involved and don't have anything at stake haven't bothered to educate themselves.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Because most people on that sub think that wanting the gay and trans community to go their separate ways is "hateful".

The majority of people on that sub are either neoliberals or SJWs. They believe in transgenderism. They attack anyone with right wing or even centre-right viewpoints. They attack religious people, even religious people who support and defend gay rights. They support drag queen story hour. They support cancel culture. It doesn't surprise me at all that most people on this sub hate who they consider "transphobic".

EDIT: Can I see the poll, by the way?

[–]fuck_reddit 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Yep, it amazes me how they try to pretend to be all "uwu we love and accept evweeone" but then get vicious and vitriolic whenever summon suggests gay people can be not left-wing or religious... so wild...

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Because these people have been brainwashed by the educational system and by the media into believing that right wing viewpoints and religion are incompatible with homosexuality. Yes, homophobia exists among the right and among the religious. But there are homophobic atheists and homophobic leftists out there. The Soviet Union was atheist and leftist, and male homosexuality there was illegal with up to 5 years imprisonment or hard labour for men who have consensual sex with each other in private. Besides, there are right wing people and religious people who support gay rights. Yes, those people are usually outliers, but they do exist.

[–]Movellon 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be fair to the Sub on Reddit, had a good split between left and right and hopefully the same will apply here as I think broad political support is one of the strengths of our movement.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Stalinism recriminalized homosexuality. To be fair, the Soviet Union was the first country to decriminalize it under Lenin (they even had openly gay commissars in the 20s), along with abortion. Stalinism is so antithetical to the original Russian Revolution, he eventually murdered nearly all of the original Bolsheviks, and reversed many of their progressive ideas. There is a reason they call Stalinism "Red Fascism". To equate these crimes with the left neglects this complexity. Stalin's "innovation" of "socialism in one country" is just nationalism, a cardinal feature of fascism (a right-wing tendency). A Left Opposition existed under Trotsky (co-leader of the Russian Revolution with Lenin), who was murdered by Stalin's agent in Mexico in 1940. The myth that Stalinism is Communism served both Stalin and the West.

[–]fuck_reddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think technically the Napoleonic code made homosexuality legal. Switzerland adopted the Napoleonic Code and was never conquered afterwards, so Switzerland decriminalized homosexuality in the early 1800s. Also lol Stalin wasn't a fascist, he simply faced the paradox of communism: force it on people or else face the inevitable collapse. Lenin killed millions to force communism on people. It isn't like Stalin is the only bad guy.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Homosexuality as a term was coined in the 1860s in German and the 1890s in English. Prior to that there were only prohibitions on sodomy, not concepts of types of people.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Stalin criminalised homosexuality because

a) he wanted to increase the birth rate, and

b) most of the gay people who had power were more loyal to Trotsky than they were to Stalin. Stalin did not tolerate whatever he considered dissent.

The guy was still a communist who wanted to spread it. Yes, there were fascist countries like Spain and Portugal that criminalised homosexuality, but homosexuality wasn't criminalised under Fascist Italy nor Fascist Argentina. Point is, homophobia is not exclusively right wing.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I hadn't heard Fascist Italy was ok with homosexuals. A google search seems to come up with examples that it wasn't. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22856586

The Right opposes homosexuality because it weakens the military strength of the nation, and undermines the family. The Left opposed homosexuality, because it lowers wages in a family wage context (2 breadwinners with no dependents can afford to work for less than 1 breadwinner with multiple dependents, after the struggle to get women and children out of the labor force).

Italian Fascist unsigned editorial quote: "The deviant male was above all a bourgeois, egoistic and unpatriotic as well as scarcely virile (because he was unfit or reluctant to repeatedly impregnate the female); the deviant female was the too 'modern' woman, Americanized, independent and masculinized. The social damages provoked by these two converging deviants were most serious: a widespread and 'excessive loosening of family hierarchical relations, a decline in the main of that robust virility that fascism, with much love and perseverance, pursues in other ways".

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Fascist Italy was not okay with homosexuality. I wasn't disputing that. But homosexuality has been legal in Italy nationwide since 1890, so at least gay people had some level of privacy under Mussolini, even though he was homophobic. But you are right that right wing homophobia sees homosexuality as a weakness. My point still stands that homophobia exists on the left as well.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I agree, but the reasons are different. In the case of Stalinists and their sympathizers, I think it is for the same reasons as the Right. Stalin was forced into nationalism to build a country after the world revolution did not materialize. He needed mothers and soldiers. That is the economic underpinning of the counter-revolution he represents. But there is also the issue of supply and demand in the labor force, and it is undeniable, that with a family wage convention, where women stay home with the kids, homosexuality puts a downward pressure on wages, and builds resentment. This is most often articulated by examples of gay men spearheading gentrification. I do not think it is a coincidence that gay liberation succeeded as women moved in mass into the workforce, and a two person income per household became the norm. (And also, the draft was deactivated the same year homosexuality was removed from the DSM - also not a coincidence).

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The draft should never have been abolished. Keep it in place.

Gay people make up only 5% of the population. I don't think us having the same freedoms and responsibilities as everybody else would hurt. But a lot of people like Stalin and Hitler never seem to understand this.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You go fight the wars then. You're advocating for involuntary labor - aka slavery. And the draft wasn't abolished. I had to register with the Selective Service System in order to qualify for student loans. This only applies to males, which is my point. Masculinity is defined by the prerequisite traits required for militarism. That is economic underpinning of gender (along with motherhood and reproduction).

You don't have to look to Stalin or Hilter for homosexual persecution. They had that down right here in the good ol' USA.

[–]fuck_reddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep! It's almost like anyone can be homophobic regardless of ideology! But that seems to be a hard concept to grasp for many people lol.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Because askgaybros is a dumpster fire

[–]Movellon 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

They’re in for a rude awakening as AHS is targeting them in their next wave.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

As much as I hate AGB, why are AHS targeting them?

[–]Movellon 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Because it’s fairly evenly split with things being said that are considered scripture and blasphemy with regard to gender identity.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah.

[–]jiljol 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Because it's literally the only sub left right now where a gay guy can say "I'm gay, which means I like dicks" and not be immediately banned.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Last I checked, r/truegaymen was still up. It has less than 1,000 members, but then again, it might have been banned in the last 24-48 hours.

[–]jiljol 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I meant like, a place that was alive.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not banned yet, but it probably will be.

Report abuse has been flooding in ever since the purge, and the head mod isn't answering my message about how he wants to proceed with the sub or changes to Reddit's content policy.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

What about all these gay guys. They're guys and gay and like dicks!

[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I’ve been seeing SO many comments on Reddit of people ASKING why lgb drop the t was banned because they weren’t aware of it and being told it was transphobic, end conversation.

SO many users never had to chance to see what we were actually about and a whole narrative around our “transphobic” posts is being pushed pretty hard. Still seeing quite a bit of peaking in many subreddits more than before the super ban so ultimately I feel it’s creating a bigger ground for sanity and debate regarding the trans cult. Reddit has never felt “safe” but damn my account there has been banned on numerous subreddits as of this week and I rarely posted anything outside food pics.

Any realistic debate is considered transphobic. Some things you can’t change though. Transwomen are transwomen not biological women and many people are peaking due to this doublethink brigading.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What, are they transphobiaphobic? Such haters!

[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Stop T R I G G E R I N G me

[–]PassionateIntensity 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

TRAs lied to them and it would be transphobic to fact-check anything a TRA said. Most of the people calling us "TERFs" agree with us too, it's just they don't know what "TERFs" believe--because of the aforementioned lies and fact-checking phobia.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

All this bros need to suck a pussy and STFU

[–]Criticallacitirc 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Im going to keep linking back to this exchange. People are fired up and ready to fight any sort of intolerance with out any critical thinking. They think we don't want trans people to exist or should be killed. They don't realize is we're pushing back on the erasure of gay & lesbian men. They haven't spent the time seeing what TRAs are demanding. When I called out the OP that him only dating Cismen is transphobic ( According to TRAs) he basically scurried away into reddit after fighting for like 2 days straight.

https://www.reddit.com/r/askgaybros/comments/hpge6g/if_you_are_mad_about_transexclusive_spaces_being/fxuzfbc?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think this fight can be won without admitting that trans ideology is not only erroneous, but harmful and destructive. Fear of trans ideology, which is bigoted, aggressive, narcissistic and mutilating, is rational. I'm not afraid of the transphobia label. I'm naziphobic too. It has nothing to do with disrespecting any particular individual.

[–]hellonumpty 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe they'll change their view when most of their mods are trans men banning any gay man who says he likes dick/doesn't like vaginas.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

For some reason in such places as admins are coming transwomen, not transmen. Same with PCOS, which affacts most transmen - new moderator is transwomen, who can never have PCOS and not even sure what it is.

[–]Ossidiana 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because you gotta depict your opponent as evil and nasty. So they're depicting us as evil and nasty.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because the word hate doesn't mean anything these days.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It means not agreeing with delusional far left policy.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't call it far left. Gender stereotypes and sterilizing gay people isn't exactly left wing. It's more like a brutal - cosmetic surgery enforced heterosexuality. I agree they use hate to mean heresy.

[–]Revision10Just a guy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

AGB is still fairly evenly mixed with most seeming to be sex-critical trans-exclusion, then the trans-inclusive, with a sprinkle of FtM. Before any of the convos get brigaded the votes always tip to trans-exlusionary

You're just seeing the vocal minority

[–]Femaleisnthateful 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The TRAs on Reddit have been busy substituting their own narrative in the wake of the banwaves. Anytime someone asks 'What was Gender Critical/ LGBDroptheT about?' the answer is always 'vitriolic transphobia'. Then everyone goes 'Oh that's terrible, yay for censorship!'. I'm also noticing on the female health subs and r/detrans, there is a persistant narrative of 'TERFS are invading', which seems to be a precursor to a ban.

I know it's frustrating to be lied about. It's also frustrating to explain to people in real life that this stuff is happening. Nobody wants to believe that people actually think biological sex isn't real or that people are trying to deny that same-sex attraction exists.