Do you think that "genderfluid" is real? Is there any biological evidence to it?

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[–]CJLez 42 insightful - 4 fun42 insightful - 3 fun43 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Whenever I see an interview with a person who identifies as gender fluid they say that some days they feel more sterotypically masculine and some days they feel more sterotypically feminine. Just be a well-rounded person who has a mixture of traditionally masculine/feminine hobbies and/or styles - that's perfectly normal and it doesn't need a special name to describe it.

[–]PassionateIntensity 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How can there be 'biological evidence' for a cultural concept like gender? Or does "genderfluid" mean something else? One of the reasons Gender Ideologues got so far is they change the meanings of words and deliberately confuse everyone to what they're even talking about. Do you know how many clueless straight people think "transwomen" are women, who are trans? aka transmen. The rest think "transwomen" are self-hating gay men. None of them know about autogynephilia.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 21 insightful - 5 fun21 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

What exactly do "genderfluid" people want from us?

Okay, one of them walks up to you. "Hello anon, I'm a genderfluid."

Okay. Now what?? What am I supposed to do with this information? What do you want? Am I supposed to treat you differently based on how you feel? How do I even know what you feel like at any given moment? Do you carry name tags around that say things like "I am feeling female/male/nonbinary/multigender right now?" and you swap them out whenever you get the change? Do you carry a pink bow with you and place it atop your head whenever you start feeling femme-ish? If you were feeling dudely two minutes ago and you suddenly go through your transformation and I call you a "he" but you are now a "she" how big of a scene are you going to cause?

Genderfluid is a special kind of mindfuck and I can relate it to a very specific behavior in parents that causes children to develop borderline personality disorder or CPTSD or other mental issues. The parent acts in such an inconsistent way that the child never knows what reaction the parent will have at any given moment. One day you come home two minutes late and your parent beats the shit out of you and punishes you. Another day you come in five minutes late, and your parent doesn't seem to care at all. Your entire life revolves around trying to predict your parents moods so that you can avoid getting punished and abused. Your parents moods and emotions become your responsibility. If your parent is upset, it is your fault.

SO now we are being put in a position where we have to guess someone's gender at any given moment and behave the correct way, or else we will be punished. We are told this person is very fragile, and that we are responsible for this person's moods and feelings. This is abusive and fucked up. No one should have this much power over anyone else.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Okay. Now what?? What am I supposed to do with this information? What do you want? Am I supposed to treat you differently based on how you feel? How do I even know what you feel like at any given moment?

Exaaaaaaactly. This is clearly a way for self absorbed people to feel ~unique and special~. Gender ideology is literally the opposite from LGB.

LGB: We just don't want to hide who we are. We just want to live and be the same as anyone else. Please don't treat us differently.

Gender woowoo's: Omg, one day I wear skirts, the other day I wear a suit. I'm so special. What label should I use? OMG, let me put this on ALLLLL social media and DEMAND everyone to use the pronouns I wish

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you carry a pink bow with you and place it atop your head whenever you start feeling femme-ish? If you were feeling dudely two minutes ago and you suddenly go through your transformation and I call you a "he" but you are now a "she" how big of a scene are you going to cause?

This was exactly my thought process when a friend in her late 20s made this sort of announcement a year or two ago to all of her friends, and for real expected them to divine her ever-shifting gender-stereotype weather. She gave that up after a few weeks and made another announcement with a stable set of pronouns. I really wanted to take her aside and find out if she understood anything about what she was asking of herself and other people. She's going through a lot of inner work right now so I kind of expect phases of this stuff for a while, and hope that eventually she can relax and just be a woman with all of the complexities that might entail for her sans incessant granular labeling, and not keep doing this to herself and her friends and family. She might be getting validation from others who are similarly stuck in this kind of navel-gazing angst, but it isn't healthy. For anyone.

[–]adultxhumanxfemaledie mad about it 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay. Now what?? What am I supposed to do with this information?

At the risk of sounding glib, I personally appreciate those who readily identify themselves as having this mental affliction. It instantly lets me know that they are a person to be avoided at all costs lest you become mired in their inevitable array of drama and victimhood from every perceived slight against their "validity".

Most of us grow out of that weird and awkward adolescent stage of figuring out where we belong in this world and just get on with it. These neo pronouners are stuck in this developmental stage and expect everyone else to acquiesce. It's honestly pathetic when we are speaking of adults behaving this way.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Haha I say the same thing! I like when they out themselves as attention-seeking Tumblr users right away. It prevents me from wasting any time with them. Thank goodness I'm not living/working in America right now. If I had an office-mate who had special pronouns, I know I would just completely avoid them and avoid speaking about them (and I know that's mean, but that's just my internal defense mechanism against shit like this. I am compelled to remove myself as far away from the 'dangerous/distressing situation' as possible, and a person who's entire emotional wellbeing depends on me using or not using a word, this causes me stress and social anxiety. I cannot be given this kind of responsibility. I am not paid enough!) And of course this avoidant behavior would be 'problematic' so I'd have to sacrifice my own emotional wellbeing to coddle a confused attentionwhore.

[–]adultxhumanxfemaledie mad about it 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's not mean at all it's just self-preservation and completely understandable. Functioning adults don't have time for the ridiculousness.

[–]Willpoll 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I thought gender was a social construct? And if it is, then gender would have absolutely 0% to do with biology. Genderfluid just seems like someone who is sick of gender roles but at the same time too steeped in them to even try to get rid of them. Without gender roles, there is no genderfluid. So no, it is not. If anything it's just someone who feels that they need to fit VERY stereotypical roles

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Basically they mean sometimes you like one stereotype or another and you’re stereotype or fashion change. Lol

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Pretty much, it is a rotating series of explicit adherences to stereotypes. It's like putting yourself through an egg slicer and then trying to keep track of all of the pieces with different names.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Looooool. What if you’re attracted to someone who is fluid? Does that make me a Polygenderal Lesbian and you Polygenderal Bisexual? Or is it Pangenderal?

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Lol do we have to? I'm so tired.

Prediction: Let's say for the sake of argument or giggles that I happened to find myself attracted to someone who is fluid in this very labor-intensive, self-absorbed way. I am confident that I would promptly lose my attraction to that person the minute they got out the flow chart and the coercive demands for always-on attention to their gender weather. I find this level of narcissism hilarious and I am therefore suuuuuper unpopular with narcissists, because they are never joking when it seems to me like they're doing stand-up comedy. I am really not qualified to be in the audience in these cases and I do not think I could have sex with someone I found this full of themselves. I would just be hearing this sound over and over again in my head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p9hNmj2_Yw

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Looool. record scratch freeze frame “yep, that’s me....talking to the gender weirdo.....you’re probably wondering how I got myself into this situation.....well let me tell you about the LGBTQIA++++....”

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

<cue opening credits music>

Who's gonna direct this, Quentin Tarantino or David Lynch?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

David Cronenberg because it’s gonna get weird and dark

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 15 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

For gender to be fluid, the whole concept of gender must exist.

So we have two ways looking at it. Scientific, which is saying gender is sex, and it can't be changed.

And queer/gender theory gender, which is just a patriarchical gender stereotype. In this case it can be fluid, and for 99% of people it is fluid. As if I am active today and wearing pants and angry - I am man gender stereotype, if I am coming home, and wearing there skirt and acting softly, making food to myself - I am woman gender stereotype. So my gender changed twice a day. So I am gender fluid - just like majority of Earth population.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

No.

[–]fijupanda 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Gender bending already existed long before so called genderfluid. But you don't hear Annie Lennox going around with new pronouns. Heck, don't Japanese rock musicians sometimes dress up to play on androgyny to express themselves and to please the fans. I think it's called visual kei. Gackt comes to mind.

I just consider genderfluids to be narcissistic and tiring. I am not going to ask someone their pronouns every half hour ffs.

[–]firbank 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's great to me that you mentioned Annie Lennox! I'm old enough to remember when she appeared on MTV at some live event in full Elvis drag (yes, kiddies! Someone did it before lady gaga!) People were shocked and offended by Lennox in man drag singing "Who's That Girl?", just as they were freaked out by Boy George in full glam makeup a year or two earlier. BUT! In the 1980's nobody doubted or even questioned for a second Boy George or Annie Lennox's actual genders!

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Lennox, Prince, Bowie—hell, all the hair bands—Boy George, Joan Jett, half of Duran Duran, so many others who were easily GNC. It was just what they did. It was nearly routine. Not knowing history does not eliminate it, but kids are naturally vain in thinking that they are inventing or that they've discovered things which preceded their entire existence.

[–]fijupanda 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

takes a bow. I like music a lot. I love Annie.

I didn't know that about Annie. That's cool! Heh, let the snowflakes be offended. hehe

The 80s were saner in some aspects. Then again 2020 seems to be really speshal. headdesk.

[–]Revision10Just a guy 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bilogical: hilariously false.
Reality: It's just a new word for cross dressers, transvestites. Putting on a new skin on a whim

[–]InLaymansterms 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It just sounds stupid lol

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. It isn't not being a walking gender stereotype.

[–]blahblahgcer 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't think it exists. But for the record, when I said I was detransitioning, people told me that just meant I was gender fluid and also asked if all gender fluid people were welcome in the detrans community.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I can't guess how you felt about it, but that seems like a bizarre question to me. I wouldn't even know how to answer. I suppose it depends on how they are defining "detransition" in relation to themselves, and whether or not they are letting detransitioners make their own choices and come to their own conclusions, or want to push some other definitions onto other people. It sounds like there's some pushing going on if they are telling you that you are gender fluid now. That would leave me feeling wary of more attempts to define, appropriate, etc. a group they might not agree with. Does that make sense? Wondering what your take is, if you've even come to any conclusions yet.

[–]blahblahgcer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't agree that genderfluid people are considered detransitioners. It definitely feels like they're using us for their own gain though.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's how it sounds, yes.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Define genderfluid.

[–]RippoffOfLoveSStraight | Overuses quotation marks 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think the concept of gender identity as a whole is bunk. How does one feel like a boy? How does one know if they feel like a girl? The answer usually boils down to either "you just know" or "it's because of the things you like" (simplifying, of course). I don't like the things I like because I "identify" as male. I like them because as an individual, I have my own taste. If someone's taste varies day to day, that's totally fine. However, associating those tastes with particular genders doesn't make sense to me.

[–]CleverNickName 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gender itself isn't real (unless 100% synonymous with sex). By asking the question, you've bought into it too much already, and are giving them way too much credibility. There is no point in pondering the intricacies of genderfluidity and non-binarity and pansexuality, if all those things require a foundation which is completely made up and changes every day depending on who you ask in the first place.

It's like asking if it's okay to open a window, when that window is in the only wall left standing after the building had been bombed. We're ignoring the bigger issue.

[–]Zenweaponry 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, that's all bullshit. I wouldn't even accept genderfluid if they specified just fluidity between the two genders/sexes. The way they describe it makes it sound like someone with an unstable personality has conflated their bipolar feelings with gender.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I only recently learned the feminist definition of gender, a negative definition that really means gender stereotypes. Where I grew up (the Midwest), gender referred to one's genitalia. Using that definition, the absurdity of the gender fluidity concept is immediately apparent. You "feel" as though you've become another gender, and so you are, and you've somehow divorced your genitals. Then later on, you "flow" back into your original gender and achieve rapprochement with your penis or vagina. How stupid can you get? Isn't this the same magical thinking that underlies Trans identity? And let's not even mention so-called sexual fluidity (although I just did).

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it's bullshit

[–]Ossidiana 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It seems we're just seeing an odd refusal to accept that there's some feminine in all men and some masculine in all women. So they call it "genderfuid" when they realize they have some traits of the other gender in them, and they think it's not normal but it makes them special?