DiscussionJust a quick note to all of you.

submitted by zerosis from self.LGBDropTheT

I know our current situation is mentally distressing, and it feels like our community as gay people is being ripped away from us. I know it's painful and confusing, and that your spaces don't seem safe anymore. I never dreamed it would get to this point, I honestly just didn't see it coming. I thought the gay community would always be a place full of strong, sensible, supportive people that understand and empathize with the gay experience, but now we're being told we need to 're-condition' ourselves, that our homosexuality is immoral, that it's just a 'preference' that can and should be changed to encompass people of the opposite sex as well. It's just... fucking crazy. I know.

But there are more and more of us waking up. It took me a while, but I finally saw the endgame of the TRA's for what it really was in these last few months. The reality of sex and the homosexual experience is being broken down and replaced with something unreal, confusing, paradoxical. Homosexuality is being erased, the lived experience of being a real man or a real woman is being erased. Children are being put on horomone blockers (how the fuck was I okay with this before, just how? How was I ignoring how fucked up this is?). The word man, the word woman, they both mean nothing now. It's all just this big game of pretend that we're supposed to be playing with each other, and it's starting to feel like a nightmare.

I used to be one of them. I used to think I was one of the good guys by going along with all of this and just hoping there was a happy ending, hoping that we knew what we were doing. I used to think GC people were evil, and now I find myself agreeing with them on most points. I guess hell has frozen over. The point is, there's hope. There are going to be more people like me, waking up left and right as this thing runs it's course and damages the lives of more and more gay people. They want us to think we're alone, but we're not.

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[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 35 insightful - 5 fun35 insightful - 4 fun36 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

Welcome!

I'm curious as to what made you peak?

What made me peak all over again just the other day was skimming through We Believe the Children: A Moral Panic in the 80's (highly recommended to everyone here.) I don't have kids of my own and sometimes it's hard for me to remember how utterly clueless and malleable kids that age (below 6-7) are. The children in that book were literally caught up in a whirlpool of lies and gaslighting and emotional/mental abuse at the hands of the very adults who were trying to help them (police, detectives, psychiatrists, parents, social workers) a huge majority of them admitted to sexual abuse that never happened. So whenever someone says "my kid has known he/she was a boy/girl since he/she was a toddler" I do not believe it for a second. One of the defense attorneys was able to get children to "admit" Chuck Norris, the City Attorney of LA, and other random government employees "molested" them just to prove how easy it was. All he had to do was point at a photo and ask "did this man molest you?" and there was a 50-50 chance the kid would say yes or no, that's how emotionally worn down these kids were. They were just saying anything to get the questions to stop so that they could go home and go back to normal.

Believing children of that age regarding "gender" and putting them on the path of puberty blockers and social transitioning and that whole package is so unbelievably cruel and immoral, especially considering what happened with Jazz Jennings (his genitals don't even function, he's never had an orgasm in his life and never will. And that's the least of his problems.)

Anyway, enough about me. How about you? What made you peak?

[–]zerosis[S] 37 insightful - 2 fun37 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Honestly, it wasn't just one thing that made me peak. It was more like a thousand little things, things I ignored for a while, and then it got to a point where I just couldn't ignore them anymore. I had a bit of an identity crisis when I realized that I was officially on the 'other side' now, because I had so tightly wrapped up the idea of being a 'good person' with the ideal of trans rights activism. There were just so many little signs that pointed to the TRA movement spiraling out of control. Contrapoints being cancelled (I was a pretty avid follower at the time) kind of started me questioning. A lot of alarming vitriol was being leveled at Contra for stating an opinion that was contrary to the highest 'woke' standards, and even the criticisms that weren't vitriolic were misguided to a disturbing degree. Then came the whole J.K. Rowling thing. I found myself agreeing with her on the points she brought up, which confused the fuck out of me, to be honest. I didn't know where I even stood at that point.

Then, some things happened in my personal life. I honestly don't want to go too into detail, because if there's a chance that anyone involved knew I was posting here, it could end pretty badly for me. I know quite a few trans people, some of them are very involved in my personal life, and I also know just as many detransitioners who fell out of the 'culty' side of the trans movement and were damaged pretty badly by the whole experience. A marriage was destroyed and a strong circle of friendship shattered over this shit, and the repercussions are still being felt a year later. Friends were excommunicated (and that is a big fucking deal when their families have already disowned them for being gay) because it was found out that they were excluding trans people in their dating life. I can't even begin to describe how chaotic things have gotten with my family/friend group since the TRA movement has kicked into high gear. I turned from hardcore TRA, to being completely disillusioned in only a few months. I feel like I'm only becoming more and more resentful by the day. I stopped using dating apps or gay male forums, because for the first time in ten years of using them, I'm seeing trans men every 3 profiles (some of whom aren't even remotely trying to pass) throwing a tantrum and ready to report anyone who isn't willing to get down with a vagina or neo-penis. Not all of them are horrible or rude, actually, but I still don't understand how or why there are so many of them in a space that is meant for homosexual men. I know lesbians have been dealing with this for years, but now that I'm dealing with it myself, I fucking get it. It feels like you're living in the Twilight Zone, being constantly co-erced into playing some weird roleplaying game that you can't get out of. I know it's even worse for lesbians, and has been for a while, and I feel terrible for not seeing that sooner. I just want to be allowed to be gay again.

Idk. I feel like I'm just rambling incoherently at this point, but to sum it up, it was kind of a long, agonizing process that made me wake up from TRA hell. I'm not sure I can point to one specific moment where the dam broke.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know lesbians have been dealing with this for years, but now that I'm dealing with it myself, I fucking get it.

Did you just previously have no opinion on that when you were a TRA, because "hey at least it's not happening to me?"

[–]zerosis[S] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh no I had an opinion on it, and my opinion was shitty. I thought lesbians effected by this were simply being transphobic. That's what I was told repeatedly by my woke friends, and I just went along with it. I never put any actual critical thought into it and just assumed the TRA rhetoric was correct.

[–]reluctant_commenter 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I had a bit of an identity crisis when I realized that I was officially on the 'other side' now, because I had so tightly wrapped up the idea of being a 'good person' with the ideal of trans rights activism.... Then came the whole J.K. Rowling thing. I found myself agreeing with her on the points she brought up, which confused the fuck out of me, to be honest. I didn't know where I even stood at that point.

This was essentially the same for me as well. JK Rowling was a huge surprise to me-- not what she said, but that so many of my friends blanket dismissed her as transphobic, and never even read what she wrote. I read her essay and was like, I agree with almost all of this. Then I started to wonder if that made me a transphobe, and that's when I started to go down the rabbit hole to try and figure out what transgenderism is really about.

TRAs call JK Rowling "evil". I have seen literally so much vitriol hurled her way, especially on Reddit. It's a bold claim to say that the person who had written all those genuine and kindhearted lessons into Harry Potter, was some kind of demon. Either JK or the trans rights activists were very wrong. Turns out it was the TRAs.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but I still don't understand how or why there are so many of them in a space that is meant for homosexual men.

These are heterosexuals transing into homosexuals so there will always be more of them than us. There will literally not be enough lesbians for the tranbians or gay men for the tranmen. We will be overrun

[–]CJLez 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

how the fuck was I okay with this before, just how? How was I ignoring how fucked up this is?

Some people peak very quickly and some peak in fits and starts, letting it build until the cognitive dissonance is too much to handle. I'm also one of the second type and it took me a while to work out why it took me so long...

For me it was hearing non-stop from politicians, schools, charities, the NHS, previously LGB focused organisations and the (then) vast majority of newspapers about how transpeople were the most opressed group in the world filled with lies about suicide rates designed to tug at your heartstrings and false hysteria about 'removal of rights' when rights weren't being removed, they were just not getting extra ones and the journalistic burying of any actual incidents of abuse (pre Yaniv and Karen White.)

Then, once I started to peak (thanks Riley, Yaniv and Karen) I started to notice things that I had been blind to - how the TRAs were treating people - doxxing, trying to destroy buildings women were meeting in, getting meetings cancelled, phsyically attacking lesbians at pride marches for carrying signs saying 'homosexual', setting of smoke bombs at Grenfell and saying that it wasn't offensive, getting police forces to categorise misgendering as a crime so they can say that hate crime incidents are up 800%, knowing that most people will assume that means an 800% rise in physical attacks rather than tweets. Initially it was easy to say 'oh, it is just a tiny minority, most people don't act like this or support them' but then realising that it was actually a tiny minority of trans people who disagreed with these tactics.

Then I started to notice that they had somehow sneakily slipped from 'nobody is saying biological sex isn't real, that is a terf dog whistle' to saying that biological sex is a rascist western construct that doesn't exist and that, before Britain had her empire nobody else knew that biological sex existed. I saw that it wasn't the 'inclusive' movement it claimed to be as they declared that, if black women counted as women then trans women counted as women as well, lied about the history of homophobic societies to paint them as progressive and cheered about how wonderful Iran was because it let transwomen transition for free (seriously, heard this several times.)

There is obviously individual acts of actual transphobia and nobody should be attacked or fired or evicted just for being trans but for being such an oppressed group they certainly managed to get, at one point, the entire media, almost every politican, the health service, the police and the law courts completly on their side.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad you finally saw through the trans ideology but I don't know if it will get better for awhile... they are teaching LGB and transmeds to embrace gender ideology, to filter our sexuality through a trans inclusive lens, in school and at younger ages. With full support on a majority of people on the left. Those that try to study or speak up about it get silenced. I hope more lgb youth have the strength to resist this new cult.

<< (how the fuck was I okay with this before, just how? How was I ignoring how fucked up this is?) Media, hollywood, politicians, bbc , academia, social media, etc, are all on board the trans/Q express and are brainwashing a whole generation.

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I also joined in the last month and a half.

Just want to say, I think you're right. I think more people are leaning in this direction, and I bet there are a bunch of others like me who were shocked by the TL ban.

[–]just_lesbian_things 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The point is, there's hope. There are going to be more people like me, waking up left and right as this thing runs it's course

It doesn't matter to me. I say and do the things I say and do because it is the right thing according to the best of my judgement. I'm not doing this so people will agree with me in the present or the future or so I'll be remembered as the "good guys" in history books. I'm gender critical. I don't see it gaining any sort of mainstream acceptance ever, but I'm going to keep supporting it anyway because gender has hurt me terribly and I believe its abolition will make the world better. I answer to myself first and foremost.

[–]Astrid2448 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This message actually made me feel a lot better. You’re right, they are actively trying to break down what homosexuality is. The end goal is that gender doesn’t exist, sex doesn’t exist, and sexuality doesn’t exist. Purely just “I like this individual person” which in one way might make a gay relationship more casual, but in another makes it impossible for us to talk about our own lives and problems.

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was still supportive of the whole trans activism aside from non-binary thing last year. I thought non-binary stuff was appropriating suffering of actual trans people and I was mad at these. But then I saw what's going on r/detrans around December and I just peaked entirely because even not all trans are these classic transsexuals you think of and not accepting non-binarism and neopronouns is actual hate crime... I was a transmed before but even these people live in some delusions like tucutes...

[–]emptiedriver 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I hope you're right... it feels like each person who peaks says something like this, because their own change of perspective makes them feel like - well, everyone else will just have to get it soon, won't they?

But the thing is that each person who changes their mind was willing to go along with it for so long, and there are always new young people being indoctrinated, so there is a bit of a race against time: there have to be more people changing their minds before teenagers who learn the norms for things to really shift.

It seems like there has to be a bigger media upheaval because the percentage of people who are gaining off of things being seen this way too strong. If self-ID'd trans people, pharma companies, or activists looking for a cause (or just rich people looking to show virtue) enjoy the outcome of society believing this, then they will push for it without worrying if it's true or even if they know it's BS, which will make it what the teenagers are introduced to...

I can totally believe there are more "regular people" who wouldn't agree with the details of this if they were asked in a clear multiple choice test, but they either aren't involved in the conversation or are scared to speak up. Culture gets built by the ones with power.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Please read the long article (one of the FOLLOW THE MONEY posts, the one that's from MEDIUM) about trans lobby funding, because it give concrete examples of how transgender activists seized control of the narrative well before normal people even knew there was a narrative.

[–]emptiedriver 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

do you have a link? I don't see what you're referring to on the front page. But it doesn't sound like it would be in disagreement with what I'm saying

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look for the posts that say FOLLOW THE MONEY, read both. Sorry- I don't know how to link in a reply.