LGB ErasureExposing The Reality of Transgender Science & Trans Activism | Debra Soh | ACADEMIA | Rubin Report

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Dave Rubin interviews Debra Soh after about two years since the last interview. Dave is homosexual and in this interview they cover more of the anti-homosexuality angle coming from the trans movement than I've heard in other interviews with Dr Soh.

This is the first time I've heard the term "left wing science denial" mentioned. I think it's time we all start being honest that "left wing science denial" is at the very core of the destructive transgender concept.

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[–]ThiccDropkickGay 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

This is the first time I've heard the term "left wing science denial" mentioned. I think it's time we all start being honest that "left wing science denial" is at the very core of the destructive transgender concept

The issue with this is that the science denial demonstrated by the TRA movement is only a certain extreme subset of the left - and one that is rejected by many who otherwise hold left wing views. And pretending there are no anti-science ideas in the right wing doesn't help anyone

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I still remember some republican politicians in USA being "Viruses does not exist, HIV is a lie", what created second HIV crisis in some states. And same person recently was doing with covid-19 situation, and with same methods of full denial: "it is not real and fake news from China to stop our factories in fear".

I am not from USA myself, so I only know this from my USA friends.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

We've got to stop doing this. Defaulting to the "well the right wing does or did such and such" line. That does nothing to bring clarity to the issue at hand and only serves to muddy the waters around the debate. We need to properly identify the source of lies when they are being told. On this issue, it's not coming from the right.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem is - they all lying. Otherwise they'd not be politicians in so monopolic power system.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The problem is that this extreme faction currently holds a massively outsized influence regarding the issue. It has nothing to do with the right wing.

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It has nothing to do with the right wing

I never said it did. But if you start telling yourself that these things are only present in one political group, you'll start ignoring/denying when it happens in the others.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agree, but on the transgender issue, the extremism is coming from one side of the political spectrum--the left.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

She just published a book of sexology of trans identity (which I assume is why she's doing interviews). I'm in half a mind to give it a read because she seems interesting.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

She is an engaging communicator who exudes authenticity and knowledge. A confident female voice of reason with research and academic credentials. Exactly the sort of person needed to help cut through the massive loads of bullshit around this issue. I imagine her book will be worth the read.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a part I really appreciated. Statement from Debra, 16-17 mins in ...

The issue is though that nowadays, the vast, vast majority of mental professionals who work with gender dysphoric children and even gender dysphoric adults are ... uhh, I don't want to say that they're compromised, but definitely ideology is playing huge role in terms of how they practice. Because they cannot, by law, say anything other than, "yes, if you want to transition I'll help you, I'll help to facilitate this". Because they're gonna be accused then of commit-, of "practicing conversion therapy", even though conversion therapy for gender identity does not exist. There is a difference between conversion therapy for sexual orientation which is, as we talked about last time, is not effective, it should not be done. There is no such thing as conversion therapy for gender identity because young children who identify as the opposite sex, again, their gender is ... I don't want to use the word 'fluid', but it's more flexible because they haven't fully developed yet. So with development, they're more likely to feel differently.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I fully agree. And LGB folk are hardly the only ones being impacted by science denial. The Right Wing deniers are fueling the COVID-19 crisis and stopping meaningful progress on climate change. It seems to me that scientists need to get their asses in gear and spearhead a new social movement. Our very lives may depend on it!

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The right wing is not denying the existence of COVID 19. The contention is with the analysis of the threat and strategy for how to best handle it. Same with climate change. Those are two issues that have not played out. Sex and gametes are not in play.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Does the word "hoax" stated repeatedly by President Trump and his followers mean anything to you? Whatever. I'm not getting pulled into an argument about coronavirus response, which is clearly what you hope to do here. I don't play half-assed games, in fact I don't play games, period. You're about as transparent a provocateur as they come, and one who smells strongly of stealth TRA tactics. Go on back and report to your superiors, Mata Hari; your cover's been blown.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not getting pulled into an argument about coronavirus response

Says the commenter who brought the non-sequitor into the discussion.

I don't play half-assed games, in fact I don't play games, period.

Your comments here suggest otherwise.

You're about as transparent a provocateur as they come, and one who smells strongly of stealth TRA tactics.

Ad hominem isn't a good look for you.

[–]GConly 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is the first time I've heard the term "left wing science denial"

I'm heavily involved with anthropology and psychology. The left has been getting progressively anti science since about 2000 when it became clear science was just not supporting a lot of Marxist core theory.

For example:

Sex based behaviour differences are mostly down to pre natal hormones. Bang goes the claim institutional sexism is still keeping women out of STEM or killing their pay. Women aren't men.

Class and income: turns out SES is largely derived from your IQ and behaviour, not the other way round.

IQ and behaviour are large down to genetics. The evidence that western poverty lowers IQ is way less compelling that the evidence that it doesn't.

Group differences in IQ have largely been supported by science for decades, and in a few years this one is really going to hit the fan as IQ predictive DNA tests hit the market in a few years.

About 1/3 of millionaires and billionaires have zero financial assistance from family. Turns out hard work and brains (and capitalism) really can improve the lives of the poor.

So there you have it. Men and women are different, SES differences are mostly down to behaviour and genetics. Capitalism works as a way for the industrious to get out of poverty. There are biology based differences that lead to different ethnic outcomes (and most people involved in studying these fields have these opinions).

The upshot of this, if it becomes widely understood by the public, a hard shift to the conservative right/liberal because it's obvious we live in an approximate and reasonably fair meritocracy.

It will ensure Marxist theory never has a chance if being taken seriously or getting a grip on power again.

Literally the only option left to the far left is full on science denial.

This has been helped by the educational system. Govts have decreed a larger percentage need to be shoved through degrees, and provided loans not based on the future earnings the degree would provide.

Only way to pass the lower ability students is easier degrees, and this is where the humanities blossomed.

A lot of these colleges are now sucking money from the teats of 'progressive' (Marxist) NGOs, and have yielded to pressure to install more progressive staff and policies.

And that's how we got to where we are now.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I imagine many people who identify as being on the left are experiencing a crisis of faith due to the extreme faction's outsized influence over this topic--we see plenty evidence of that here on this sub. A similar thing happened between conservatives and the religious right. So wild how in just a couple of decades the shoe is now on the other foot. If people on the left want to avoid a popular snapback to the hard right, they need to contain these leftist extremists, right now it's doing them a lot of harm in the court of public opinion.

[–]Astrid2448 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I talked about this in another post, but as someone who has a lot of experience in healthcare and the sciences (entire family is pretty much involved in it, so I grew up around it as well)... this person seems to have a habit of misrepresenting studies. Much of what they’re saying everybody agrees with them on are actually widely debated and actually have a lot of opposition. For example, most psychologists don’t even endorse IQ as a measurement of intelligence (there’s a lot of debate over whether it’s even accurate) and it’s generally agreed that even if it were one, it is only a measure of one form of intelligence. There are quite a few theories on intelligence and none of them have full backing. These types of issues are present with literally every point they just raised. I’m not sure if they’re just unintentionally being biased or if they’re misrepresenting things. Not to mention that apparently the humanities are for stupid people, but their expertise is in the soft sciences that are adjacent to the humanities. My peers in the hard sciences used to take courses in psychology and anthropology to boost their GPA.

I’m really, really tired of science being weaponized by people in these kinds of debates.

[–]GConly 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For example, most psychologists don’t even endorse IQ as a measurement of intelligence (there’s a lot of debate over whether it’s even accurate) and it’s generally agreed that even if it were one, it is only a measure of one form of intelligence. There are quite a few theories on intelligence and none of them have full backing.

Well no, none of that is true, at all. That crap comes out of the humanities departments and it's been pushed very hard as 'fact' for years. It depends on the masses not being familiar with the science.

, most psychologists don’t even endorse IQ as a measurement of intelligence

That in particular is utter bollocks.

A large number of the best known PhDs publishing in this field once wrote a letter to debunk exactly that BS claim. It was called something like 'statement on general intelligence'. The opinion hasn't changed. IQ tests are use to check for brain damage in medicine, they are strongly predictive of academic outcomes. You can ballpark predict it with a brain scan at this time, same with DNA. I haven't seen more than a half hearted attempt at debunking IQ tests in decades for that reason.

Some starter reading for you.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23931870-400-the-truth-about-intelligence-do-iq-tests-really-work/

Overwhelmingly, when polled, the scientists support group differences being at least partly genetic rather than all environment. By three to one. Irk me and I'll post the polls here.

No there aren't multiple intelligences. Only one or two researchers support that idea, it's pretty widely mocked. No one takes it seriously, and it tells me a lot that you do.

About the best you can say is that an IQ test doesn't check for things like self control, memory, future orientation, planning and so on. They are all valid traits, and they all affect educational and income...and they are also largely down to genes.

I have a great many stored papers discussing genetics, IQ and their implications to life outcomes. Genetics accounts for about 50-70% of variance in academic outcomes. IQ tests are specially designed to test for that kind of ability.

Not to mention that apparently the humanities are for stupid people

No they are for more average people.

"the average IQ of a physics PhD student is about 130. For comparison, english/literature PhD students average about 120 and sociology PhD students only 115"

A sociology undergrad can actually be below average intelligence.

Understanding complex science is a bit beyond the average sociology graduate.

Anyway.. all of the IQ argument is largely moot now, as GWAS studies are showing educational achievement and SES etc are at least in part down to genetics and are getting predictable with a DNA test now.

We find that common SNPs explain 21% of the variation in social deprivation and 11% of household income.

A joint (multi-phenotype) analysis of educational attainment and three related cognitive phenotypes generates polygenic scores that explain 11–13% of the variance in educational attainment and 7–10% of the variance in cognitive performance.

Genome-wide association study identifies 74 loci associated with educational attainment

Genome-wide analysis identifies molecular systems and 149 genetic loci associated with income

GWAS of 126,559 Individuals Identifies Genetic Variants Associated with Educational Attainment

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who is "they" you keep referencing? Debra Soh?