LGB ErasureThe difference between homosexuality and transgenderism

submitted by TarshishJupiterpolitically homeless from self.LGBDropTheT

The most major difference, in my mind, between being gay and being trans is that according to trans-activists, wanting to be something IS being that thing. Gay people often find the opposite is true.

Think of someone so ashamed of her attraction to women that she wants dearly to be straight. She identifies as straight, gets a boyfriend, and prays every night that she would like men. Is she straight? No!

But think of a man who wants to be a woman, wears clothes from the women's section, and identifies as a woman. Is he a woman? According to trans logic, yes!

For a gay person, truth is discovered when they find out that they are gay. For a trans person, truth is created, not discovered.

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[–]Eurowoman24 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

hit the nail on the head there.

[–]latuspodSuper Straight 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I've been tossing this around in my head for a couple days so I'll throw it out cause it fits.

Our culture, by and large has moved steadily into a mode of having things rather than being something. We have been lead to believe that our happiness can be achieved through having the right stuff, buying the right things, watching the right shows on Netflix. And this extends onto romance as well, we are lonely and desire sex and seek out casual sex on apps like Tinder. It's in the words we use as well if you pay attention, we HAVE sex, but are IN love. Modern people stitch together an identity through the things that we consume. Having things and consuming things depends on other parties, you need someone to sell you things, you need someone else to have sex with. But because my love for my wife is in a sense a way of being, a part of who I am, it is dependent on no one, not even her.

Enter the trans genderqueer non-binary ideology. Being a member in these groups seems to very much something people HAVE. Pronouns are something people have. They create their identity solely through this ideology. They get incredibly upset and cry violence when someone denies their identity, because unlike having a nice car or favourite Netflix show, if I deny that their identity is "valid" in some sense they not longer have it.

That is very different than gay or straight people, and I'd include based transwomen and transmen as well. If someone wants to tell me I am not straight it has no value, because being straight is something I am, not something I have. It is not dependent on anyone else or anything.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Our culture

And that is true, as it seems to be mostly affecting only English-speaking countries, and only middle or above class of people, as other languages may even have no pronounses at all, or be gendered languages.

[–]8bitgay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I mean, my native language is gendered and yet the TQ+ movement (and some feminist movements) try to convince people to go the genderneutral non-binary route. It's even funnier than in English because people are very used to gendered expressions, so you'll see people trying to use the genderneutral neopronouns while still using gendered expressions in the same sentence.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Italian is very gendered. If someone used the plural to describe themselves they would be considered total nutjobs lol

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

In ukrainian every verb, many word combinations in sentences are gendered, depending on with whom you speak, and in general, all words at all are gendered. So to add "third gender" it will need to change every single word and many word combinations. Maybe in 10 years they will finish doing that, but by 10 years, hopefully, this craze will end :D

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

My serenade would be very gendered as well :D

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd love to listen :)

[–]TarshishJupiterpolitically homeless[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I love your flair!

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

We must to remark the hard reality. Lesbian =pussy lover lol

[–]hate_humidity 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

This is what I’ve been thinking!! That’s why I didn’t understand the “self ID” thing because..wanting to be something does not equal to being that. Who started this?

[–]hufflepuff-poet 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Teenagers on Tumblr.... 🤦🏾‍♀️

[–]latuspodSuper Straight 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I think it might have been an Apache Attack Helicopter.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Well said. I didn't choose be gay because I am one. If I wanted to be trans, I'd have to choose to deny my own biology.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Homosexuality is something you are, transgenderism is something you do.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

transgenderism is something you do.

Transsexualism is something you do. Transgenderism is something you think you do!

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Always precise. Kat :)

[–]InLaymansterms 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Woah, the eloquence of your post is top notch 👏

[–]TarshishJupiterpolitically homeless[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you!

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know. I think "straight" just means "compliant". It is broader than sexuality. The opposite of straight isn't gay, but "crooked" or "bent" or "crook". People "go straight" after being reformed from a life of crime. It just means "conventional". So if someone manages to simply REFRAIN from indulging their homosexual desire, I think that is adequate to be considered "straight". Like Freud I think same sex desire is universal (but not opposite sex desire for reasons having to do with childhood sex segregation and being one's own sex, which makes to two orientations asymmetrical; e.g. one can never be weirded out by unfamiliar genitalia on the body of the same sex the way they can be on the body of the opposite sex). Straight people just sublimate their same sex desire (often by preferring the same sex in every context but sex itself). In fact, that might be a pillar for organizing conventional patriarchal society. It is designed by men for men who seem to be in love with manhood and use "woman" and "girl" as insults.

I think the major difference between gay (which is political) and trans is that gay liberation says you are just fine as you are, and trans ideology says your body is wrong and you are not compliant with gender expectations so you must have cosmetic surgery to make you look closer the other sex for the benefit of the people around you. It is a macabre sort of totalitarian, surgically imposed straightness that preserves a reactionary gender hierarchy that demands males be masculine (for militarism) and females be feminine (for motherhood and submission to males).

Gay liberation is partly responsible for the problem by insisting a gay orientation is a minority biological condition (which is very close to the trans argument) instead of fighting for the end of the demonization of same sex love for everybody. Same sex love and desire has a universal potential and the reason it is demonized is because it interferes with current ways of organizing society. It can disrupt wage rates. When women stay at home and men receive a family wage, 2 men working with no dependents can create a downward pressure on wages which tend to pay just enough for a household to reproduce itself. I don't think it coincidental that gay liberation coincides with a shift to two income households for heterosexuals, and the end of conscription in America (which means they don't require militarized boys (masculinity)).